Is this allowed?

Multiboxing 8 accounts using broadcasting software?

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1031089303

As long as there is no automation behind it, there is nothing in the rules against it.

this is amazing.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

As long as there is no automation behind it, there is nothing in the rules against it.

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So software that when you press #1 it does an action on all 8 accounts at once is allowed?

I'm confused because this is what I was told..

https://www.dual-boxing.com/attachme...tid=2452&stc=1

Yeah that's not a clear answer and sounds like they may have been confused by the question. It seems they're thinking multiple copies of the game on one account, rather than multiple accounts, which would be how you would do it in this game as it won't let you be logged in on 2 separate characters on the same account and once in this game.

I expect it's a grey area thing where if you do it and use it as an exploit somehow then it'd fall under the ToS as an 'exploit', which against the ToS.
But if you're not using it for that purpose then I think it's fine, I don't see anything forbidding it. If you're not doing anything dodgy, then they get 2 subs.

If a third party tool is used then yeah that falls under their 3rd party clause. But in this game I see a limited practical used for dual boxing, for any battle content it'd be a really difficult task, not like XI where dual boxing was great for power levelling because the game had the pacing for it to work. Otherwise, I can see RP benefits, social benefits maybe, crafting benefits maybe (for convenience), transferring items between characters, possibly lower levelling and undersizing benefit, creating identical characters and making them hug so it's really narcissistic, confusing people yada yada.

I don't even understand what the point of this would be.
All I see is a lot of wasted money, it's not like the leveling in the game is even that slow and there's no open world PvP or anything like that.

They are allowed to waste their money as they see fit, as long as they themselves are pressing the keys.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I don't even understand what the point of this would be.
All I see is a lot of wasted money, it's not like the leveling in the game is even that slow and there's no open world PvP or anything like that.

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As someone who multi-box’s in other games it just another way to enjoy your hobby. It comes with is own unique challenges you have to overcome. In short it is just fun.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I don't even understand what the point of this would be.
All I see is a lot of wasted money, it's not like the leveling in the game is even that slow and there's no open world PvP or anything like that.

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he's clearly enjoying himself and proud of his rigg I'm sure he worked hard for it and doesn't deem it a waste.

The answer is no. Using any 3rd party software is a no go.

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Originally Posted by AnnaUK

I'm confused because this is what I was told..

https://www.dual-boxing.com/attachme...tid=2452&stc=1

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Using 3rd party software to control multiple characters is not allowed. If reported, it's possible for them to be banned.

If he's multi-boxing and that's only it, then every key he presses is a key that is translated into the game as that key. Thing is that's not 'automation' which is what people are usually citing when they go against multi-boxing. Assuming the keys are being translated exactly as they're pressed.

Although using a third party software to interact with FFXIV is on the list of don'ts (that said we've also parsers and the like which they've officially gone as "don't ask don't tell, don't bully"). I'd assume this is very low on their list of concerns, and they'd probably do nothing about it as long as it's not associated with other issues like bullying or bad publicity (in which case I'd rapidly change my guess to "yeah they'll do something, because it's an easy fish to fry then"). The guy is paying a whole party worth of subs lol, and if actually multi-boxing, not really getting a super massive benefit out of it.

Multi-boxing gathering I feel would be one of the more "ooof" actions they could do though. Get that timer material with 8 characters, lol.

Lemme clarify my earlier statement. If they want to waste their money, playing multiple accounts at once, with the same hardware interface, and just adjust keybinds in game for each character, it's allowed. But if they are using things like ISboxer, or other third party multiboxing tools that spread the key presses out via software means, then no it is not allowed.

I had a second fully paid account in FFXI for a few years. I used this to hand out hourglasses for Dynamis while I was playing inside it on my main account. I experimented with dual boxing, but I honestly don't have the hand eye coordination to play two separate characters at once.

When they altered Dynamis to be a shared instance instead of reserved, I stopped the sub on that second account, because it was not needed any more.

The program being used is a weird grey area because it is not automation in the traditional sense. It is more like sending the same key stroke across multiple applications. Do not get me wrong you can automate the process but generally it would be hard to prove unless SE starts to take outside evidence into account.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

Lemme clarify my earlier statement. If they want to waste their money, playing multiple accounts at once, with the same hardware interface, and just adjust keybinds in game for each character, it's allowed. But if they are using things like ISboxer, or other third party multiboxing tools that spread the key presses out via software means, then no it is not allowed.

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He states he is using Isboxer

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Originally Posted by AnnaUK

So software that when you press #1 it does an action on all 8 accounts at once is allowed?

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This has been allowed since the FFXI days.

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Originally Posted by AnnaUK

He states he is using Isboxer

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Then per GM's and ToS, not allowed. That's considered input broadcasting, thus not allowed. As long as they aren't idiots and make more videos or brag in game about it, FFXIV won't do much against it though.

I came across this:

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=67225

Now does that mean only 3 accounts per pc or?

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Originally Posted by Awha

The program being used is a weird grey area because it is not automation in the traditional sense. It is more like sending the same key stroke across multiple applications. Do not get me wrong you can automate the process but generally it would be hard to prove unless SE starts to take outside evidence into account.

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It's not just automation that the ToS prohibits. The question is if what that player is doing is one of the other prohibited activities.

Unless the player is negatively disrupting the game experience of other players by doing it (such is gaining an unfair advantage in PvP), SE may choose to overlook it even if technically prohibited just as they do with the modding community.

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Originally Posted by AnnaUK

I came across this:

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=67225

Now does that mean only 3 accounts per pc or?

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It states up to 8, the three was the number selected for the sample question.