Are there any local rules in English Region?

Hey there, hello from Japan.
I've been reading the Japan forum and came here to ask a question about one thing that has been bothering me since some people have been trying to find a way to have fun playing with members from different regions.

For example, LFG (Looking for group) in Japan has its own local rules.
(This is not always the case. Just in case.)

1. 【3滅解散】 (Three wipeouts and it's over.)
This is a pre-arranged rule that says if your party gets wiped out three times in a raid, for example, you should give up. This rule is mainly used for end content.

2. 【周回】 ... Farm party (specify the number of times)
In Japan, it is very common to do a farm as a set of three or five times.
Is this the same in the English Regions?
For example,

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I'm looking for members to go to The Drowned City of Skalla 3 times to collect equipment.

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3. 【取り抜け】（Once you have one piece of loot, exit the instance.）
This is a rule used in high difficulty raids, where players take turns to lot loot.
If you get one piece of loot here, you must leave the instance.
In other words, this rule is to avoid one person hogging all the loot.


Do these rules and ideas work for everyone?
Also, please let me know if there are any local rules that are used in your region!

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Thank you for sharing these! I knew about " 【周回】 ... Farm party (specify the number of times) " and it's something I've actually used a lot in my own PFs, specifically Alexander Savage. We will run those x6 or x8 to ensure that everyone has the opportunity to get a specific gear piece from the books.

NA Servers do not have such conventions established as a general rule. ("Skip Soar or disband" was a rule from Zurvan Extreme during 3.0.)

I think the closest we get is:

* Learning / [Practice] / Prog Party: This party is made to learn the mechanics together. We don't really expect to clear, although if we do it's awesome.
* Clear Party: This party has learned mechanics but is still polishing. At least one player does not yet have a clear. We intend to clear once and disband.
* Farm Party / [Duty Complete]: This party has learned the mechanics well and will do multiple runs for loot.

The additional party flags that the developers added have helped since they clarify the restrictions.

Sometimes specific strategies will be called out in parties. Looking on my data center right now, there is a party for Seat of Sacrifice Extreme with this description: "FARM. THMR, Nin uptime DPS uptime" - and the THMR stands for the "tank, healer, melee, range" order for the comets and the "NIN uptime / DPS uptime" refers to the strategy of having the melee DPS stay in range of the boss, and the healers and tanks soak the meteos in the corners. This is usually what we do instead of having macros at the start of the fight.

There are no rules! They are different depending on the party leader.

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Originally Posted by TanukiSoba

1. 【3滅解散】 (Three wipeouts and it's over.)

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This is not a rule, but it is common. Sometimes people will stay for 1 pull, sometimes they will stay for 3, sometimes they will stay for 5 and in some cases they will even stay for 10. It's not a fixed amount, but eventually someone is going to conclude that it's not working or that they are too tired to continue.

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2. 【周回】 ... Farm party (specify the number of times)
In Japan, it is very common to do a farm as a set of three or five times.
Is this the same in the English Regions?

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Usually not specified, and you just keep going until someone leaves. Someone usually leaves after 1-5 clears because 5 clears is an hour of their time. The older the content the more likely they are to stay, because there is a point where performance doesn't matter and people can die as much as they like.

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3. 【取り抜け】（Once you have one piece of loot, exit the instance.）

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Free for all. Everyone rolls on as many pieces as they want and the game decides how many they get.

That changes when you join a static, where the party will decide together who gets what loot and in what order.

NA doesn't really have local rules, in the same way, really.

- In NA PF, individuals may quit an instance if there is a wipe (or 2, or 3 or 4) but the entire party doesn't generally disband. Sometimes they do, but there's no regional rule (and if they want to, they'll generally say "x wipes = disband", but again, it's not that common from my experience).

- Farm parties don't tend to specify how many times they'll go, generally they can go for 3 runs, 5 runs, or will continue however many times the Party Leader wishes (albeit, individuals who sign up are usually free to leave if they need/want to between kills).

- Loot on NA is complete FFA, everyone can roll on everything -- It's usually up to individual discretion whether or not to roll on an item if someone requests an item (ie: final boss drops a DNC weapon, no DNC in party but someone does play it as an off job -- they might request to have the weapon, and trade their other rolls for it, but there's no guarantee even in this instance that everyone in the party will pass on that item. I'd say it's good form to pass it up unless you can also use it, but again, that's just me)


One thing I've seen/noticed from people who generally come from JP Datacenters (or EU datacenters) to NA is the bewilderment at NA's refusal to utilize Macros for strategies on fights and instead put down a marker (or in the case of E9S: series of markers) that the players move their characters around to call positions. This is probably the only NA-specific thing that's done I can really think of?

From a cultural perspective, the NA server is more individualistic and thus the ones who speak out in chat will often dictate how long a raid goes. If information on the fight is being delivered and morale high, a raid will very likely continue. If nobody speaks up after a wipe, than likely the morale is low the raid might collapse.

As for loot, if you really want pieces for a set, just speaking up about it will increase the chances of your party letting you have it. Otherwise everyone gets a shot at loot to do whatever they please with it.

Gonna be blunt, we don't have rules and people basically do whatever their hearts desire. For example, you're in Clear Party A for Titan Unreal. After first wipe, half the party leaves and it disbands. The end. You wait and join Clear Party B that's forming. You wipe 10 times and no one leaves. It's really up to whoever you're with and how they're feeling.

In terms of loot, it's every man/woman for themselves in public groups. You want something, need it and pray for RNG. You'll also probably encounter people at some point who join your party and leave as soon as they get their drop, rather than help the rest of the party get theirs.

We're also apparently "degenerates" with how we act and talk (RP in particular has been getting brought up recently as an issue in this forum) so if that's something you're against, you might not enjoy your time here. There is plenty of general wholesome RP and chats of course, but we also have plenty of 18+/ERP venues as well.

In summary, do what you want in the US servers because everyone is going to be doing whatever they want to anyway.

(Speaking from the perspective of Aether)

In PF, generally you don't see those kinds of requirements.
For EX fights, there's an unspoken understanding that the Loot tag refers to farm parties with higher expectations, and Duty Completion tags are for parties that will clear the fight once and then disband. A few other things to watch out for are "No loot and scoot", which means that if you get a drop, you're still expected to stick around for a couple more clears, and we also have 3 wipes and disband, which is the same as in JP, although those parties are generally a lot more "toxic".
The only other thing I'd say you should be aware of is that in NA, we don't really ever settle on single common strategies for fights. Eden's Promise: Umbra (Savage) has 4 or 5 common strategies just to handle Evil Seed (Brambles), plus a distinction between True North and Boss Relative for various mechanics. Castrum Marinum (Extreme) has 3 strategies to handle Aetheroplasm Production, etc.

EU pretty much does the same thing as NA, nothing much different.

You can't forget the rule that says any wipe results in a disband and blacklist everyone, no exceptions. Not even brand new content literally been available for less than an hour.

Farm parties only ends after an hour or until everyone gets whatever the main drop is or after just one run. Nothing else.

And lastly only dps get drops until they have BiS. Tanks and healers have to wait unless a drop for only the is RNG jesus to them.

Thats all i can think of.

Like other before said, EU has something similar but nothing to special.
The thing often got mentioned is that EU adapted the text macros for savage from Japan already in SB.
But NA just recently started using them.

You also have some people not joining specific groups because of the language the group leader has active.
There are some French and Germans out there who doesn't understand English very well and these communication problems can cause problems.

You also have player who join groups who aim for a clear but they haven't even seen half the fight.

And we have "Kill for friend" groups. It's basically a kill group but with some player in it who got the kill already.
These groups often fail with the group of friends being the reason for it.

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Originally Posted by Curisu

And we have "Kill for friend" groups. It's basically a kill group but with some player in it who got the kill already.
These groups often fail with the group of friends being the reason for it.

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Yeah. "Clear for one" is basically code for "carry my friend."

We have what is known as the, "Trap Party."

It lists itself as a clear or farm party, but when you join it, there's someone who hasn't cleared. More often than not, the person who put it up makes some dumb excuse for why that is, and then the group proceeds to wipe for as long as everyone is willing to go.

I don't think they're very prevalent these days, but I haven't felt like PUGing much of anything in recent times. There used to be, "Loot Rules: Lootmaster" for farming mounts from Extremes. The idea being you join the group, and you wait your turn. The group goes for a set amount of time, or goes until everyone has the mount. They usually turn out to be scams, but I did join one for birds back during Heavensward. We did round robin on bird mounts and formed a temporary static for that express purpose until everyone in the party had their birds. We said we'd keep in touch, but I haven't played with any of them since before Stormblood.

It's also very common as others have said for NA PF to list the strategy to be employed in the PF itself. It's also very common for no one to read that, ask what strat we're doing on entry, and then argue about why we should use a strat they're more familiar with until they leave or settle.

It's a mess \o/

There is the unspoken rule of using party finder for EX or higher content and specifically not using the duty finder for Extreme trials.

As a general rule, avoid lootmaster parties like the plague. They are basically a scam so that the host can get a mount for themselves and possibly their friends and then abandon. You don't see them quite as much now since I guess everyone caught on, but they were kinda rampant for a bit.

What are people’s thoughts on rolling on pieces in savage that are an upgrade but not BiS in a PF?

Obviously it’s going to help me clear the next fight, but it’s ultimately going to be replaced.

For stat purposes, even BiS gets replaced inevitably because this is vertical progression MMO.

Just say you're lotting it for glamour and roll as hard as you can.

EU sometimes uses macros to establish how the party will resolve key mechanics. PF is for extremes and higher and the leader pretty much decides how the party is going to run, but the most common party types are practice/clear/farm. A party will continue until someone has to leave, at which point the party can recruit a replacement or disband. It is bad form to leave a phase 2 practice party soon after clearing a phase 1 boss, because the party will then have to clear phase 1 again with the replacement people. Loot is for whoever wins the roll.

Hello! Nice to meet you! First of all I want to say that you English is very good! I play in both Japan and North America so I can give my own experience.

3滅解散 (Three wipeouts and it's over.)
Sometimes you will see this in party finder especially on the last fight of a tier (4層) for example "3 wipe = disband" but often someone will just leave the party after anywhere between 1 wipe and 5 wipes. So it's sometimes difficult to get a learning party (練習PT) going for a long time.

【周回】(Three wipeouts and it's over) There is no rules and people may leave after 1 clear if they feel like it.

【取り抜け】 This is impossible in NA, and will never happen in party finder ever.
In North America there is only フリロ (free roll)

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North American servers tend to be "free-for-all" where people just do what they want.
There is no agreed upon rules and even if you write something in party finder (PT募集) people will just do as they please anyway.

Also because 周回 gets translated as "Loot" in the English settings, you'll see 周回 parties for many things other than "farming" (like weekly clear of savage fights for example)

Also, you will often see static parties (固定PT) with very little rules written down. Unlike in Japan where recruitments posts are very explicit in North America the recruitment may list only the desired role, schedule time, and ask for "prior raid experience" and that's all.