Disabled player help

Hello

I know that this won't get any recognition as a post, as is the usual for most games regarding accessibility. I had contacted already to a GM but asked to post to the forums so apologies if this is not in the correct place.

I'm having some really quite upsetting issues regarding the game and some achievements I have worked hard on but can now no longer complete due to my physical limitations. I find the game on the most part to be calm and easy due to reasonable gcd and no crazy button pressing. I have pain issues and when I make lots of movements with my hands for a prolonged time consistently they seize and are painful. An example of some negative feedback i have received by players is using a macro to say "hello, im new" at the start of a duty and told im not authentic for doing so regardless of using them because they help with my disabilities, so please understand my hesitancy in posting this.

Overall I can play for hours and be fine as again its easy casual button presses, except ps4 chat typing limits, that is until I have tried doing the kugane tower jump puzzle. I have gained sightseeing logs and completed all Heavensward and stormblood except the 2 associated with the tower. I have tried almost daily but everyday my hands are in pain trying to consistently motion around the tower with this problem. I know many might read this and think its pathetic which is a shame, as I wouldn't wish chronic pain on anyone, especially when it causes you to be home bound and gaming is my only means of escape.
Overall, I am now stuck where my very real disabilities are quite seriously preventing me from completing these that I have worked so hard on. I understand challenges in game and many I cant complete and that is OK, but sightseeing? It may be a unique situation but I am entirely unsure where to go from here. I ask please be kind on this and try to walk a day in my shoes so to speak. I hope that a dev or someone can maybe offer insight or how I can resolve this, or am I to stop trying to earn achievements entirely if they are not accessible?

Thanks for listening.

Normally I would say have a healer friend who can do it easily, raise you the whole way up via you utilizing BLU self-destruct abilities. They added a timer on it now though, where you can't do it again for 9 minutes. Still doable if you have time and a patient friend, though.

Hey there,

I'm not disabled but I understand the hand pain and many can probably share their wrists pain and such.
But don't worry about disability, there is many stories about disabled players who managed to clear an ultimate. I believe a player born without fingers managed to beat TEA. Another, mute, managed to clear UWU and unless you use external tools, you have to communicate with your teammates.

I can't exactly guide you but there should be tools to ease the pain, maybe an adapted controller? Adapted keyboard...

It's not pathetic to ask for help, everyone has their own challenges in their daily life, be it physical disability or mental one.
If you absolutely can't find a solution... There is 2 ways to get those precise sightseeing logs.
First is to use the marriage ring, let the other person climb and teleport you.
Second is someone raising you on the lamp (You need to unlock BLU and self-destruct).

It's not cheating but more loop-hole, considering your situation it might be the best solutions.

Hi I'm unsure what you mean regarding healing and blu self destruct. I havent been playing the game a very long time.i also see responses to you about players being bad at the game and only assume these are directed to me. Being disabled isn't about being bad at something.

I sympathize.


That being said, and whilst I can't wholly relate; I understand this doesn't directly solve the underlying issue if you're having significant distress in attempting these puzzles due to disabilities, then there is no harm in trying to ask friends to help you out with the puzzles, be it something like self-destructing (Self-destruct spell which kills you) on BLU into a resurrection so that they can resurrect you further up the jumping puzzle, or even trying an attempt across several hours or multiple days so that you aren't doing the movements for an expended period of times. You can spend some time just prior to finishing off for the evening, then resuming your attempt when you log in the first thing until you're unable to pursue any further, then repeat again at night and daily until you finish it.

Thank you. I will look into these

Blue mage is a job. It has a skill called self destruct. You can use it in city states to kill yourself. Your friend (a healer) can then climb the tower so far and throw you a raise. You raise to their spot on the tower. Rinse and repeat aaaaaaaall the way to the top.

Or as said get the free wedding package, marry a friend. Then use the wedding ring that has a built in teleport to your partner, to teleport to their location at the top of the tower.

Your then free to repeat the tower if you want to do it legit, to your hearts content without the stress of failing since you’ve already got the objective :)

Otherwise just take your time. If it takes 3 hours let it take 3 hours. Don’t push yourself and don’t rush it. Take a break between jumps and ideally if you have to stand on a peg till morning so be it. I find it easier to climb during day hours so if I’m on it over night I just wait the night out or use sun minion for some light on tricky jumps.

Thank you for the advice. I do think I have a blu but haven't done anything with it yet. Focused mostly on crafting and gathering and my blm. But I did marry my rl partner and carer in game so that's worth an idea for sure. Thank you again.

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Originally Posted by HayleyGeek

Hi I'm unsure what you mean regarding healing and blu self destruct. I havent been playing the game a very long time.i also see responses to you about players being bad at the game and only assume these are directed to me. Being disabled isn't about being bad at something.

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Unless a comment is directly stated to you, maybe don't assume everyone is out to get you because you're disabled?

As Rhus said, Blue Mage is a limited Job that has the ability to gain monster skills - such as a bomb's Self Destruct, which will kill the player in the overworld. A healer who could manage Kugane Tower oftentimes would ressurect a BLU player up onto the pegs to get them to the top, for people who had trouble with it but wanted the sightseeing vista. While the timer on the self destruct reuse is annoying, it isn't impossible to get past if you and a healer friend have time to dedicate to it.

Wedding rings are a quicker way and wouldn't require real money if you are doing it solely for the ring teleport.

Beyond that, just trial and error it at your own pace. Kugane Tower is difficult for many people simply due to the fact this game is not exactly built for platforming and tight jumps - I haven't even done it myself, only had a friend res me up the tower back before the self-destruction cooldown timer was put into place.

It's common for people to avoid the difficulty of these with raise tricks. Even without disabilities a lot of people find it too hard. If you wait in Kugane for enough days/weeks or visit some other world's Kugane, you will eventually see someone get onto it and offer to bring people up.

If you have trouble with a lot of others as well, someone may offer to help if you ask around, or you could offer a gil reward of 1 million or so for someone who helps you with all of them. The gil may take some work to get, but what you get for it is forever.

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Originally Posted by HayleyGeek

Hi I'm unsure what you mean regarding healing and blu self destruct. I havent been playing the game a very long time.i also see responses to you about players being bad at the game and only assume these are directed to me. Being disabled isn't about being bad at something.

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This is a signature, it's not exactly targeted at you, it will be posted after every of his message.
Nobody thinks you're bad.

Any level only concerns you as games are never designed for disabled. Since they're many minorities, it's a headhache, a complex and extremely challenging feat to satisfy 100% of the playerbase.
But tools to ease the disability do exist and are the best solutions for both the players and development teams.

Thats not what I was doing. I was responding to the comments beneath yours but se they are posted here as well, where it says some players are mind boggingly bad at the game.

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Originally Posted by HayleyGeek

Thats not what I was doing. I was responding to the comments beneath yours but se they are posted here as well, where it says some players are mind boggingly bad at the game.

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I mean, it is the truth.

Either way, most people understand when others have actual limitations to what they can do vs. people who are just lazy and don't care. Most people have problems with the latter more than the former.

And once again - if the comments weren't directed specifically at you, maybe don't take them as a personal attack on you or your disability. And as stated by CKNovel, it's a signature, not other commentary in this thread. It'll appear in every post I personally make somewhere, that's all. Same as people having picture banners or the like.

I was referring to what I have learned is a signature it looked like replies to my comment

I understand and apologies for the confusion. But if someone did respond that players are just bad, to a post like this thag wouldn't be assumption. Like I said I have learned they arent replies and are a signature. Thanks

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Originally Posted by HayleyGeek

I find the game on the most part to be calm and easy due to reasonable gcd and no crazy button pressing.

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Although macros are not normally recommended for fighting, when you have a disability they may be helpful and if they avoid pain and other symptoms then it's a fair reason.

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An example of some negative feedback i have received by players is using a macro to say "hello, im new" at the start of a duty and told im not authentic for doing so regardless of using them because they help with my disabilities, so please understand my hesitancy in posting this.

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I type the exact same word at the start of every dungeon. Nobody even comments on it. On some data centers I use the auto-translate { Hello! } because multiple languages are spoken. Perhaps you could use that because multiple languages are spoken on your world.

It's also not necessary to say you are new because this becomes clear from the bonus, cut scene watching and the sprout icon if you still have it, but you could use the auto-translate phrase { This is my first time here. }.

To auto-translate, begin typing the phrase then press tab. You can put these into macros. Nobody should attack you for it because for all they know you don't speak the same language.

The player who didn't feel it was authentic was expressing their opinion, but that opinion isn't very reasonable given the context of you having a disability.

If there are any other things you find difficult you could ask us about those in case we have some ideas.

Thank you for that. Theyre entitled to the opinion of course and I tried to explain that I use it because of disability, but they literally said they don't care if im disabled its still not authentic. So yes it wasn't fun. Thanks for the help

I don't think you need to bring up that you're disabled after posting a macro. If someone reacts badly to the macro like that, then they've got issues of their own. I can honestly say I've never, ever seen anyone react like that to a "hello, I'm new", macro or otherwise. Not to say it couldn't happen, just that I've never personally seen it. And I've seen a lot of things. Just shrug and move on with your day. They aren't worth your time getting upset over. Even so, I sympathize with your limitations. I've got some of my own, though they usually (but not always) don't interfere with how I play.

Hi sorry, I hadn't brought it up in that way. I clicked the macro that says exactly "Hey, im new, please bear with me and let me know mechs". They then said to not use macros as it isnt authentic. I explained that I used them for this reason, because I think whilst yes everyone is allowed opinion, often times people don't see things from others perspective. That's it really, im not ashamed of my disability and if it helps me explain why I do something then I will definitely tell someone, as it gives everyone level footing.

Don't worry about having difficulty with the Kugane Tower puzzle, a lot of people have difficulty with it. My partner pretty much cheated his way up using the wedding ring teleport lol. What others posted here are good suggestions on how to get around it.
On your macro setup, I think you just had a really bad person interact with you. I'd rather someone make a macro so they can interact instead of being completely silent.

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Originally Posted by HayleyGeek

Thank you for that. Theyre entitled to the opinion of course and I tried to explain that I use it because of disability, but they literally said they don't care if im disabled its still not authentic. So yes it wasn't fun. Thanks for the help

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Do not take this the wrong way. Do not bother telling people you are disabled. Most players are so awful you probably will fly under the radar if the content gets cleared. Pointing it out just makes it more noticeable. Far easier to tell random players quietly judge ya then to point out you are then run the risk of getting told you should / try x y or x. Just my personal opinion cause normally people ignore poor play in general content and just complain in fc or disord.

Hi HayleyGeek!

I'm disabled too.

Fighting chronic pain makes parts of this game far more difficult than they should be. My advice is to tell the haters to take a long walk off a short pier. Don't take their words to heart.

Meanwhile, don't feel you have to apologize for being disabled. You are not a burden. You are a fellow player.

Me and my friends, we climbed as a group, any time somebody fell, blue kaboom, and revive, and bring them right back to where they were. Each one of us a rope to help the others back up. With the new 10 minute timer on blu self destruct that would take longer now, but sit down with friends, netflix, and make a night of it. Log out halfway up, it's okay to take your time.

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Originally Posted by HayleyGeek

Hi sorry, I hadn't brought it up in that way. I clicked the macro that says exactly "Hey, im new, please bear with me and let me know mechs". They then said to not use macros as it isnt authentic.

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If that's all you said, then how do they even know you didn't type that in just now?

Sounds like you got someone out to be sour for the sake of it.

OP there are plenty of able bodied people who have loads of problems with the sight seeing log. Some of the locations you have to get to are just ridiculous. The precision needed for some of these jumps is obviously designed to make players be highly likely to fail, which means many repeated attempts. So don't feel too bad over being unable to do it given that many others also can't and they don't have a disability essentially debuffing them. What many do is play as a blue mage to kill themselves with an ability, and get another player who reached the spot to res them. When you get ressed you end up in the location of the person who ressed you, thus eliminating the obstacles to get to the location. This is actually a very common tactic to complete the sight seeing logs. So if you get help, don't feel any shame over it.

I'm also disabled and also experience chronic pain which affects the use of my hands, so I understand your frustration. I also understand why you would want to use a macro to communicate to minimise the amount of work your hands have to do. Don't listen to players who say using macros is inauthentic. It's not inauthentic because you want to say what the macro says, and the message isn't automated by software. You are the one deciding to display that message, so it is still you talking. Anyone who has a problem with it is frankly too dim to understand how fortunate they are that they can do simple tasks without worrying about their physical condition, and honestly people like this aren't worth your time.

I will say though to be careful with who you are open to about your disability. There are some meanspirited people out there who assume that claims of disability are just lame excuses for not playing up to a certain standard, or would use it as an opportunity to make fun of you. And some people don't understand that disability can wildly vary in how it affects someone and how severely, so you may be met with comments like "well my disabled friend can do this, why can't you?". I'm not saying keep it a secret, just perhaps only reveal it when it is necessary and ideally to players who you know are good people who wouldn't use it against you.

I can empathize. I got a cyst in my left upper wrist that I had to get drained and the pain was pretty much chronic while the cyst was still bloated. After treatment my wrist feels really weird and I still have some issues with doing things. It's why I'm rather big on accessibility in this game, even in harder content despite people fighting me on it.

I feel ya on the wrist issues - I had surgery but it still definitely gets too painful for me to use a mouse after a while. Even I never attempted all the sightseeing logs, so the fact that you have all but two is very impressive! Great job on that!

One really nice thing is that the game is actually pretty customizable and has a few things that can help with various disabilities, even if it's not perfect. Lots of people disabled battle animations to cut down on the distracting glitter and allow them to see mechanics better. You can turn on the "mouse echo" to find it when it's lost. You can rearrange the HUD in any way you want for better visibility, and you can also macro the crap out of crafting, which I seriously appreciate.

Since for me it is the mouse and controller that is too painful to use for very long, but I can handle the keyboard without any issues, I changed my keybinds to use the old FFXI layout. Left hand controls macros and custom keybinds, right hand controls directions and right thumb simultaneously controls the camera. This allows me to not have to touch the mouse at all in combat, and just move and type exclusively on the keyboard. This has resulted in some annoying limitations once in a while (it took me quite a few tries to figure out the stupid teleports in E7S for example) but I'm able to clear savage content and pretty much all the other raids without any problems.

I would love to be able to help you with this, but I had to cheese the tower as a perfectly healthy adult, so i can’t imagine your situation.

For myself, my wife and I made an afternoon of it where 1 would attempt to progress, then the other catch up. If one fell, we could just use the wedding rings to teleport back to the “anchor” player. If you have a friend who is good at it, the easiest alternative is using blue mage as mentioned. You can kill yourself using blu magic and be raised further along the tower.

All that said though, the tower is an absolute piece of crap with invisible edges that make no sense. It is absolutely infuriating to do it when compared to how smooth jumping puzzles are in other MMOs like Guildwars 2...

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I would love to be able to help you with this, but I had to cheese the tower as a perfectly healthy adult, so i can’t imagine your situation.

For myself, my wife and I made an afternoon of it where 1 would attempt to progress, then the other catch up. If one fell, we could just use the wedding rings to teleport back to the “anchor” player. If you have a friend who is good at it, the easiest alternative is using blue age as mentioned. You can kill yourself using blu magic and be raised further along the tower.

All that said though, the tower is an absolute piece of crap with invisible edges that make no sense. It is absolutely infuriating to do it when compared to how smooth jumping puzzles are in other MMOs like Guildwars 2...

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It took me about...2 and a half hours for me to climb that dang tower. Never again. lol I can't imagine doing it at any sort of disadvantage. It's probably 10 times worse. I wouldn't wish that tower on anyone, not even my hypothetical worst enemy.