This is essentially my version of a good scholar rework -- a kit that focuses around Fun and powerful mechanics, tactics (as a scholar should be about), and putting more control and decision back into the player's hand.
never mind the potency values, those are just to give you an idea of how it would look, and as they are simply numbers they can always be adjusted for peak balance.
*Note: if i don't mention an existing spell or mechanic directly, then just assume it stays the same*
REMOVE: Deployment tactics
REMOVE: Energy Drain
REMOVE: Sacred Soil
BUFF: Broil 3: Additionally Broil will Stack a debuff that causes the enemy hit to take an additional 1% damage from all sources for 15 seconds, this debuff can stack a maximum of 4.
ADD: Studied Libra: Reveal the targeted enemy's elemental weakness for 25 seconds, additionally while this debuff is active the effected enemy takes 15% more elemental damage from its type weakness.
ADD: Dark flank: Strike a single enemy in melee range using a summoned aetheric weapon dealing 190 physical damage, If striking the enemy from behind them you will instead deal 300 unaspected damage and stun them.
ADD: Tactical Advance: Allies in a cone behind the caster gain a substantial shield that nullifies the next attack they are hit with, while, enemies in a line front of the scholar take unaspected damage and are slowed, additionally the scholar dashes a short distance forward in the direction of his target.
ADD: Aetherial Shift: Change a selected enemy's elemental weakness to an element of your choice for 20 seconds. When used on an ally, all of their unaspected spells, and physical attacks become the elemental type you have selected until the buff wears off.
CHANGE: Chain Stratagem: Chain stratagem will now deal damage to the first enemy hit, that enemy will receive a marker, and all enemies within 5 yalms of them will receive a "chained" debuff, while this marker is active chained enemies will receive 40% of all damage the Marked enemy takes.
CHANGE: Art of War: Creates a small puddle of Corrosive aether underneath the Scholar, up to 3 puddles can be created at any given time, enemies who stand inside these puddles take constant damage, and are inflicted with blind.
CHANGE: Dissipation: Consumes all active fairies to fuel the Fairy gauge, after which, every fairy consumed becomes un-summonable for the next 60 seconds, This cannot be used on Seraph. Consuming either Eos or Selene will fill the gauge 50%, consuming both will fill the gauge 100%
*The scholar would now be able to summon both Selene and Eos at the same time and control them individually, however having both fairies out at the same time comes at a cost of 10MP per second (5MP per second with only 1 fairy active)*
*additionally Scholars would now (again) be able to command the fairy to focus on a specific player (or enemy)*
ADD: Fey Ambush: (can only be used when 2 or more fairies are active at the same time) [Costs 20 fairy gauge] Creates A damaging gate that deals Unaspected damage to enemies in a triangle shape between The caster, Selene, and Eos, additionally enemies hit are inflicted with a confusion debuff for 8 seconds, the closer Eos, Selene and the scholar are to each other, the more unaspected damage the enemies trapped between them will take (minimum of 150 potency, maximum of 600 potency).
ADD: Fairy Gate: (can only be used when 2 fairies are active at the same time, this has no effect on Seraph) [Costs 3 fairy gauge per jump] Commands Selene and Eos to create a linking portal between the 2 of them, allies who touch Selene are immediately teleported to Eos, and vice versa. Teleporting to Eos creates a small damaging shockwave upon landing, equaling 90 potency of the scholar, Teleporting to Selene grants whomever teleported a small barrier that lasts for 10 seconds.
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Eos is a Single target healer and a buffing fairy that you can command, place, and order to focus healing specific targets, additionally while she is out the scholar gains a +5% healing, and casting speed buff.
Spells Eos has:
AS IS: Embrace
AS IS: Whispering Dawn
AS IS: Fey Blessing
CHANGE: Fey Illumination: Now instead of the reducing 5% magic damage taken, Fey Illumination instead removes 1 negative debuff from all allies within its radius
AS IS: Aetherpact/Fey Union
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Selene is an Aoe and single target Dps Fairy that you can command, place, and order to focus attacking specific targets, additionally while she is out the scholar gains a +5% Damage buff.
Spells Selene has:
ADD: Dawn Sparkle: Selene's auto-ability when commanded to target an enemy
ADD: Fey Libra: Commands Selene deal damage in a circle around her target. Enemies hit have their elemental weakness revealed for 10 seconds
ADD: Mystic Trap: Commands Selene to create a magical cage at the targeted location for 10 seconds. Enemies trapped inside the cage will be unable to move out of the cage until it disappears.
ADD: Fairy Impact: Commands Selene to charge to the Scholar, dealing unaspected damage to any enemy hit on the way, when Selene collides scholar it causes a small aoe explosion, dealing even more damage to those around the impact.
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Seraph is a 3rd fairy that SCH can summon along side Selene and Eos, Seraph has no MP cost, but consumes the fairy gauge while she is out, Seraph will attack when commanded to focus on an enemy, and she will create barriers over allies she is commanded to focus on.
Spells Seraph has:
CHANGE: Consolation: this spell changes to be Seraph's auto ability when targeting an ally. Consolation is now single target, and has about half of the original potency.
ADD: Halo Dart: Seraph's auto ability when commanded to target an enemy.
ADD: Etherial Trick: Seraph blasts her target in a straight line consuming fairy gauge, dealing damage to any enemy hit on the way, enemies hit have a 50% chance to become polymorphed into an immobile bush for 6 seconds.
ADD: Angelic Warden: Seraph charges over to the selected ally, channeling a barrier over them, consuming even more fairy gauge over time. While this barrier is active, the selected ally will not be able to take damage or die, however they also will not be able to receive any outside healing. Seraph will continue to follow the target, channeling the barrier until instructed to do otherwise, or the Scholar runs out of fairy gauge.
ADD: Seraphic Unity: (can only be used if both Eos and Selene are active at the same time, Using this Induces the same fairy penalty as Dissipation) Seraph consumes both Eos and Selene, becoming bigger and even more powerful . while in this new form Seraph will constantly radiate shields to all nearby allies, Activating Angelic warden becomes an area-wide effect, Etheric trick is wider, will do more damage, and the polymorph has a 100% chance to activate, along with this all of Seraph's basic attacks become amplified.
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Misc:
The scholar can now glamorize Eos and Selene into any of the fey creatures or simply into any color of fairy
Seraph can be glamorized to look like Titania, or Feo Ul
Scholars now have an additional battle pose they could take; (Them standing to their side with their left arm raised slightly above their hip, and their book weapon under their armpit (like a school-boy))
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with this rework, takes bigger skill gap, but never a dull moment, plenty to do on down time, and much to contribute to the fight, the style is both true to the lore and identity of the Scholar, and if i do say so myself, it would be fun and engaging to play.
*raises glass of Arizona tea*
Here's to Hoping and wishing upon a star that Square Enix does the Healer-Role Justice come 6.0
Scholar 6.0 Rework
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03-17-2021, 08:20 PMP0W3RK1DScholar 6.0 Rework
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03-17-2021, 11:31 PMinhaledcornBut... why? As far as I can tell, you didn't remove Aetherflow, but you did remove the single most important tool to prevent Aetherflow waste? And you also removed two of the best healing/damage reduction tools Scholar has???????Quote:
REMOVE: Deployment tactics
REMOVE: Energy Drain
REMOVE: Sacred Soil
I can already tell you that absolutely won't happen. Having a job that can basically have a 100% uptime Trick Attack is a bad, bad idea. And this game has already decided that there will be no elemental affinities (except in Eureka, and look at how great it turned out).Quote:
BUFF: Broil 3: Additionally Broil will Stack a debuff that causes the enemy hit to take an additional 1% damage from all sources for 15 seconds, this debuff can stack a maximum of 4.
ADD: Studied Libra: Reveal the targeted enemy's elemental weakness for 25 seconds, additionally while this debuff is active the effected enemy takes 15% more elemental damage from its type weakness.
ADD: Aetherial Shift: Change a selected enemy's elemental weakness to an element of your choice for 20 seconds. When used on an ally, all of their unaspected spells, and physical attacks become the elemental type you have selected until the buff wears off.
That's... interesting, but I don't think "Scholar" when I see that. That's certainly something more for a melee job.Quote:
ADD: Dark flank: Strike a single enemy in melee range using a summoned aetheric weapon dealing 190 physical damage, If striking the enemy from behind them you will instead deal 300 unaspected damage and stun them.
This is something that would be better as an update to PLD's wing shield thing.Quote:
ADD: Tactical Advance: Allies in a cone behind the caster gain a substantial shield that nullifies the next attack they are hit with, while, enemies in a line front of the scholar take unaspected damage and are slowed, additionally the scholar dashes a short distance forward in the direction of his target.
I admit that's actually kind of interesting, like an AoE Wildfire and Bane combination.Quote:
CHANGE: Chain Stratagem: Chain stratagem will now deal damage to the first enemy hit, that enemy will receive a marker, and all enemies within 5 yalms of them will receive a "chained" debuff, while this marker is active chained enemies will receive 40% of all damage the Marked enemy takes.
Okay, but... what's our AoE filler spell now?Quote:
CHANGE: Art of War: Creates a small puddle of Corrosive aether underneath the Scholar, up to 3 puddles can be created at any given time, enemies who stand inside these puddles take constant damage, and are inflicted with blind.
You... somehow made Dissipation worse than what it already is, congratulations. Even if Seraph's timer is based on the Fairy Gauge (which I'm honestly surprised it isn't currently), it's not worth losing 60s of, if going by your fairy changes, healing and dps.Quote:
CHANGE: Dissipation: Consumes all active fairies to fuel the Fairy gauge, after which, every fairy consumed becomes un-summonable for the next 60 seconds, This cannot be used on Seraph. Consuming either Eos or Selene will fill the gauge 50%, consuming both will fill the gauge 100%
And no one uses Eos.Quote:
Eos is healing fairy; Selene is damage fairy. It costs MP to maintain fairies.
The only thing I really liked is the Chain Strat change. Everything else is baffling (melee positionals on a caster???!?) or overall a bad idea. -
03-18-2021, 12:14 AMSweetPete
The only idea I love is being able to summon both Eos and Selene at the same time. If SE makes that happen I will be living the best scholar life ever!
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03-18-2021, 04:49 AMAnhra
I like the idea's posted by the OP, trough the MP consumption is basically nonexistent if its just 10mp/sec for both fairies. A Healer with at ilvl510 with ~1800 Piety regenerates arround 400-500 Mana every 5 seconds so the MP consumption would need to be alot higher than that or penalized in another way, like draining Fairy Gauge instead.
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03-18-2021, 07:30 AMdezzmont
I actually get the disdain for ED. I think it would be ideal if 'wasting' it was like 'wasting' a Lily in most scenarios: WHMs don't use their lilies just to get Blood Lilly unless they already used 2, and don't have a way to avoid 'wasting' them. Likewise, SCH using ED instead of heal skills sorta 'warps' what the resource is for.
I also get why a lot of SCHs don't like this too mind, that warping is in its own way good, it adds a lot of skill to SCH to know when you need to use an aetherflow to save someone for a much bigger DPS gain than using ED and forces you to really think about what heals you need. I just understand the desire for no ED because of that weird tension. -
03-18-2021, 07:57 AMSaefinnIt's more that Energy Drain exists as an aetherflow dump, because people find themselves with an excess of aertherflow stacks with nothing to spend them on. It's an issue with Lilies as they don't have something other t han heals to spend on. I would say the safest time to use them is just before your next "Aetherflow" has finished its cooldown. You can either purge them into your DPS or if you need to heal in those moments, use them on that. That way you're not wasting anything not are you putting yourself at risk of having no Aetherflow stacks when you need them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dezzmont
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03-18-2021, 08:15 AMdezzmontNo, you don't understand. Aetherflow doesn't intrinsicly need a dump, and the 'dump' isn't actually a dump. It completely changes your relationship with aetherflow because now using Aetherflow for heals is a DPS loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saefinn
This is, low key, why I am starting to level WHM. The fact you don't need to think about Lilies as anything but a healing resource is a feature, not a flaw.
Imagine if Aetherflow DIDN'T have a dump. You only used it on heals. Suddenly if you had aetherflow but no oGCD heals, the choice between using an aetherflow heal and a non-aetherflow heal is a no brainer, just use the aetherflow heal you dummy: they don't cost MP, they heal more, they have shorter recast timers.
But with a dump, suddenly every heal you use aetherflow on is a loss of an extra 100 potency, so your not just dumping aetherflow you didn't have, the entire class plays differently... Now you only use aetherflow to heal if it is actually required to keep someone alive. It is actually a pretty substantial change to the job to have it or not have it. Having a 'resource dump' is a non-issue, like you don't need a resource dump for say... MP or HP if your capped out from your regens. But ED makes it so you view the entire resource as a different type of resource, its now a DPS resource you can burn for emergency heals, and that reminds people that healers are green DPS in most content in a way that can make people feel weird, even though it is actually interesting and a good way to differentiate good SCH and bad SCH by how much they can ride that line and maximize ED usage.
This is also why they keep removing and adding ED back in: They don't like that it isn't a pure healing resource but its also super interesting and SCHs love it and it makes the job feel distinct, so any time they remove it people get upset. There is a lot more going on than just 'Oh I can spend my aetherflow to hit the button again and get more mana back.' -
03-18-2021, 08:21 AMBrightshadowI would love that for a level 80-90 trait, and they need to give both fairies their own identities again.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPete
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03-18-2021, 08:29 AMinhaledcornHere's the problem: Aetherflow uses ties directly to another one of your skills (in this case, Aetherpact/Fey's Union). Without dumping those resources, you don't generate the amount of Fey's Union that the game expects you to. Granted, Fey's Union isn't that great a skill, but it's a part of SCH's healing kit. Without the Aetherflow "dump", you don't generate the amount of Fey's Gauge that you should. That's the problem with the removal of Energy Drain.Quote:
Originally Posted by dezzmont
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03-18-2021, 11:58 AMSweetPete
If SE wants to get rid of ED then why not just make unused stacks of AF go to the fey gauge. Will make things so much easier.
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03-18-2021, 01:48 PMEaMettWe don't have to imagine. That's how it was on launch. And what happened was that we almost stopped using stacks altogether. I've said this before but most content in this game will require about only 10% usage of aetherflow stacks on heals. So if you do a 10mn fight you will only need to use aetherflow in the opener and then never use it again. Not only that but 1) Aetherflow costs an ogcd, + the heals cost an ogcd so you're already dealing with a higher dps loss for healing than you would on other classes. This makes it even worse without a dump 2) You lock yourself out of faerie gauge skills. There's a reason they reverted that disaster of a change at the start of ShB.Quote:
Originally Posted by dezzmont
Also like others said. Sorting out when to use the stacks for healing and when to use them for DPS is the entire point of the class and the only reason it's even remotely interesting and not an absolutely bore like WHM (though admittedly working around clipping at high level can be its own sport). And yeah I know that despite that, SCH isn't mountains more interesting than WHM right now, but at least stacks and ED give it some flavor.
Because you typically don't need the healing from the gauge. The kit is already so overtuned that any extra healing is kinda pointless. I would not waste an OGCD on Aetherflow just for some gauge. Not with the current damage output (<< we all know that's not going anywhere).Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPete
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03-18-2021, 03:58 PMSaefinnThe problem is, the healing requirement is low and SCH's toolkit is so efficient that you're just sitting on Aetherflow stacks for a long time, so for a lot of content it ends up an unused resource. And it is also used to build up a secondary resource. By not having a dump for a lot of content it means you don't get very much use out of two of your resources. This if anything is also a general healer issue: 70% of the time you have a non-healing focus and very few skills that you have available to make that gap interesting. For the remaining 30% you have a huge plethora of healing abilities, of which you're not getting near full use out of, so stuff ends up feeling redundant.Quote:
Originally Posted by dezzmont
So the outcome is that you just don't feel like you've got much to do. And thats dull and monotonous.
Energy Drain is an ability that at least somewhat alleviates that and makes use of something you're not using. -
03-18-2021, 05:54 PMdezzmontI am well aware, after all, I am one of those people saying that! It is way more substantial a change to how they view their resource than 'just a dump' for better or for worse (and probably for the better).Quote:
Originally Posted by EaMett
Certainly is a problem yes. Its also why they probably actually added it back despite not liking its effect on how SCH view their resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
That is certainly ideal, but while I didn't like ED being added back at first (and, again, intend to transition out of SCH to WHM because I like how lilies work better) I definitely appreciate what ED offers to SCH now and how it encourages resource management to 'earn' EDs. If they absolutely had to remove Flow as DPS resource they would either need to add an instant cast OGC that isn't reactive, like shield or something, or do something like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPete
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03-19-2021, 02:06 AMSunhwaparkYou can't say you're giving SCH more control and then strip them of their secondary form of MP recovery, and also take virtually all their AOE mitigation options of Soil + Deployment Tactics, Fey Illumination. You even nerfed Consolation and turned it into Seraphic Veil 2.0 just to relegate the resources behind a gated seraph phase which ALSO now costs resources to use it's abilities, even the current dissipation penalty isn't so extreme and offers you a slight potency boost to your GCD heals during the fairy downtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D
This reduces the value of Adloquium by quite an amount, a deployed Adloquium is a much more potent shield & slightly cheaper than casting a Succor, plus it having a lengthy cooldown means that it cannot be spammed and can be used in anticipation of a stronger raid-wide damage. The removal of Deployment tactics would also make it undesirable to use Adlo in combination with Recitation since the other options are far more valuable.Quote:
Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D
For what reason? Soil is one of the best mitigation tools across the healing role. Sure Noct.AST/WHM still have damage migitation baked into their Collective Unconcious & Temperance, but those skills are not available to deal with as many raid-wide hits as Sacred Soil is.Quote:
Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D
I don't think this is a good idea, it's giving me blunt/slashing/piercing resistance flashbacks from Stormblood and they were removed for good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D
Interesting idea, but way too strong unless the faerie gauge expires much faster than currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D
Tbh, I'd hope that the faerie gauge resouce is removed entirely and that the skills such as Fey Blessing + Aetherpact just have fixed cooldowns & Durations instead of being tied to a gated resource, then they could look into adjusting skill bloating we have with our oGCDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D
The Fey Blessing + Consolation skills could be combined into one keybind, as currently you can't use Fey Blesing during Seraph's summoning state and vice versa for Consolation.
Overall you have proposed to remove or nerf so many protective tactics that scholar currently provides, I would definitely have to pass on this iteration of scholar. -
03-19-2021, 07:41 AMP0W3RK1DIt would seem that way, but no, i got rid of thoes abilities mainly for their lack of "cohesivness" and casual need, saying this now though, I have nothing against Energy Drain, and i would totally be ok with keeping it, its just that SE nerfed its damage into the ground, and scholar dosent seem to burn mana like white mage does, so just as not to clutter things up i removed it, but hek, if they would decide to re-buff it, keeping it would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunhwapark
Its not that i hate sacred soil either, but if were being honest Sacred soil is not a Scholar ability -- it belongs to the white mage, and it kinda ties in with one of the big problems healers have right now, they each have slightly edited versions of the exact same move. In loosing this ability, true scholars are loosing a bit of mitigation, but unlike something like the White mage, they can create party-wide barriers to compensate for that loss, if nothing else it will give them a challenge, and unlike (some fights) a Tank lv 3 LB, Soil is not mandatory to keep a party-wide wipe from happening.Quote:
For what reason? Soil is one of the best mitigation tools across the healing role. Sure Noct.AST/WHM still have damage migitation baked into their Collective Unconcious & Temperance, but those skills are not available to deal with as many raid-wide hits as Sacred Soil is.
Ya, it burns the fairy gauge like a drug addict through crack.Quote:
Interesting idea, but way too strong unless the faerie gauge expires much faster than currently.
The thats one way to see it, but when you look at it objectively, i only removed 3 abilities, but gave back 12, and made 4 (give or take 1) better, , but i believe i did more than just change stuff around, i gave scholars a much bigger distinction in gameplay style and purpose from the other 2 healers, and they not only now have better things to do on thier down time, but i gave them more fairy control, and a more potent and engaging dps rotation -- and any blind spots that were created by taking away thoes 3 spells are covered by the fairies and their abilities.Quote:
Overall you have proposed to remove or nerf so many protective tactics that scholar currently provides,.
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03-19-2021, 08:31 AMinhaledcornAll you did was make SCH complex for the sake of being complex. Complex doesn't automatically make it good. If it's healing and damage output is comparable to the other healers while being overly complex, people aren't going to play it. Why put in so much effort to just hit a baseline?Quote:
Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D
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03-19-2021, 08:44 AMP0W3RK1DAside from a few of the fairy mechanics there is not much "complexity", relatively easy to understand and it dosent waste an ENTIRE CORE OF ITS MECHANIC on what feels like nothing *Astrologin, im looking at you here* it just takes a higher skill cieling to optimize masterfully, but when you do youll find you feel a lot more powerful, and your role as a scholar is much more defined.Quote:
Originally Posted by inhaledcorn
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03-19-2021, 11:09 AMinhaledcornYou:Quote:
Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D
Make one of SCH's main draws, the free healing from fairies, something that needs MP to maintain.
Made one of the fairies a "dps stance", which means that people generally aren't going to use the healing one or else they'd miss out on the damage. Sure, you could summon the other one as well, but you're taking a large mp hit to do so.
Removed 2 of SCH's best mitigation and healing tools and removed the extra resource spender to prevent the resource waste
Added a melee attack with a positional on a caster
100% uptime Trick Attack
Party GCD loss via fairy teleportation
This isn't interesting. These things just don't work in this game. I almost want to say you want to make XIV's SCH XI's SCH. XI and XIV are two very different games. You can do whatever you want in XI since jobs aren't quite as restricted to certain roles. Here? You can't do that. Jobs have very clearly defined roles in this game, and healers are getting further split into Regen Healers and Mitigation Healers. What you're proposing flies in the face of what this game is. If SCH was a dps, these things could be interesting. However, remember Foe's Requiem? How that needed MP to maintain? I don't know about other people, but I never liked Foe's. It felt clunky to use, and I never knew when was the right moment to use it again in a fight. What you did is basically make a job with a mechanic that people are already bemoaning for being clunky and decided, "Okay, but what if I could make it even more clunky and annoying to interact with?"
That's not good game design. "Complex" doesn't mean "good".