Just a question about 6.0 Scholar

So it’s been revealed that we will have pure and barrier healers. That’s great I’m all for it. My question is since scholar has whispering dawn which is an aoe regen, will it be changed to an instant aoe shield? I’ve always loved that Astro could instantly do this with celestial opposition when in nocturnal sect. Will Eos/Selene embrace just be a barrier instead of a pure heal? So many questions about this.

It’s just when they say barrier healer I’m expecting most of their skills will be barrier healing and not direct healing and no regens whatsoever since that steps on pure healers toes.

What do you guys think? I also read the interview Yoshi P did and he said sch and sage are barrier healers but how they apply the barriers will be different. For example sch will use their fairy to apply them. (This scares me because we know the pet aí is just bad atm)

Anyway what do you guys think?

I'm going to say unlikely because they already consider Scholar a shield healer and WHM a pure healer and AST a mix of both. I expect what it means is just that AST loses Noct Sect and puts the balance into Sage.

we won't know until about a month before it more than likely. Or maybe launch day since SE seems intent on hiding job changes

Well hopefully they make shields stronger then. For now they aren’t very strong

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

Well hopefully they make shields stronger then. For now they aren’t very strong

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Hence my thread about nerfing pure heals to make way for boosting shields and rebalancing our dependency on shields. In practice it's not much of a shield healer anymore, even if they consider it one.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I'm going to say unlikely because they already consider Scholar a shield healer and WHM a pure healer and AST a mix of both. I expect what it means is just that AST loses Noct Sect and puts the balance into Sage.

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This.

I would be really surprised if they removed direct healing from any of the healers. Since every healer should be able to do every content etc..

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

we won't know until about a month before it more than likely. Or maybe launch day since SE seems intent on hiding job changes

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This really makes me worry tbh, because by the time we know what the job changes will look like it is already too late to get any changes done.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Hence my thread about nerfing pure heals to make way for boosting shields and rebalancing our dependency on shields. In practice it's not much of a shield healer anymore, even if they consider it one.

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SCH shield indeed needs to be stronger. I however prefer instant cast aoe and single target shield just like AST Aspected Benefic and Collective Unconscious (if they removed nocturnal from AST might as well just give them to SCH). Makes them on CD so not spam-able.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

So it’s been revealed that we will have pure and barrier healers. That’s great I’m all for it. My question is since scholar has whispering dawn which is an aoe regen, will it be changed to an instant aoe shield? I’ve always loved that Astro could instantly do this with celestial opposition when in nocturnal sect. Will Eos/Selene embrace just be a barrier instead of a pure heal? So many questions about this.

It’s just when they say barrier healer I’m expecting most of their skills will be barrier healing and not direct healing and no regens whatsoever since that steps on pure healers toes.

What do you guys think? I also read the interview Yoshi P did and he said sch and sage are barrier healers but how they apply the barriers will be different. For example sch will use their fairy to apply them. (This scares me because we know the pet aí is just bad atm)

Anyway what do you guys think?

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I have to disagree with "It’s just when they say barrier healer I’m expecting most of their skills will be barrier healing and not direct healing and no regens whatsoever since that steps on pure healers toes"

I haven't seen any indication that all regens must be removed from a barrier healer. Now, that doesn't mean it won't happen, SE can do whatever it wants- but I would find it far more logical that each type of healer has at least some skill that come from the other type. That could very well mean that SCH keeps whispering dawn- in fact I certainly hope they do.

Where I do agree is in loading more onto the fairy unless they make improvements. Frankly if a pet glitches on a DPS it isn't as crucial, but if I'm a healer it better damn well work if it's tied to healing skills.

I think it’s more meant that most of their spells will involve their main type of healing either barriers/direct heals. I don’t think, at least hope, they will remove the one regen from sch and the one barrier from whm. Whispering Dawn is quite nice on scholar as is so I’m hoping they won’t change it or Divine Benison.

It seems like nobody remembers that Sacred Soil has a regen trait. :/

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

It seems like nobody remembers that Sacred Soil has a regen trait. :/

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I doubt people just "forget" about it since it's pretty powerful, but if they decide to remove regens from SCH you probably wouldn't lose Sacred Soil, it would just lose it's regen again. Whispering Dawn on the other hand has nothing but the regen effect, so it would get removed entirely.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I'm going to say unlikely because they already consider Scholar a shield healer and WHM a pure healer and AST a mix of both.

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Which is why the shield/pure divide is so ridiculous.

SCH, AST and WHM are basically all Pure healers, except SCH and AST have a few shields in the toolkit in addition to pure healing and WHM doesn't. The only identity is that one healer has less tools than the others.
This is something they actually need to address in Endwalker. It doesn't even matter if shields aren't as strong as regens when they're simply a bonus to the toolkit and useful in endgame prog. You'd prefer the healer that can do both to the healer that can only do one. If they're set on doing split specializations, they should go all-in really.

I bet my all my Gil that Sage will just be a copypasted SCH that may or may not use its weapons in a similar way the "fairy" works.

As for SCH, i expect another attempt to remove Energy Drain and if they have been "zealous" enough, the Fairy will be completely gone as a Pet and just exists in the form of visuals, because lord forbid, if our healers have anything remotely complex on their part.

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Originally Posted by Anhra

As for SCH, i expect another attempt to remove Energy Drain and if they have been "zealous" enough, the Fairy will be completely gone as a Pet and just exists in the form of visuals, because lord forbid, if our healers have anything remotely complex on their part.

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I'd actually welcome the fairy change. Let's not delude ourselves, they're not gonna bring back the pre-ShB or more specifically Stormblood AI behaviour of the fairy, so since it already is absolutely braindead on top of taking up your weaving slots they might as well get rid of it as a companion completely, atleast then it will properly execute the abilities without taking 10 seconds for it and not ghost skills anymore.


I would prefer if they just reverted SCH back to 4.5 and pretend ShB didn't happen, I'm just not very optimistic about that, so the Fairy being an actually functional oGCD would be an improvement.