How do Hrothgar reproduce?

Do the females not exist, and they kidnap a femroe?

Can male Hrothgar reproduce with each other?

With literally no information in the game given, how do I formulate this in my head? How can they even exist? There are literally no females to be seen. Anywhere.

Does the current Bozjan queen just magically turn people into Hrothgar?

Are all Hrothgar just Highlanders in fursuits?

The fascinated lore part of me me is screaming for answers to this glaring plot hole.

The gams does give you the information that there are multiple female Hrothgar besides the Queen to reproduce with. Various priestess back in Bozja, and Magnus had his wife who was Hrothgar as well.

Female exist. You are just not allowed to play them...

You notice how they don't have nipples? That's because they were actually born with a plethora of them. Over time, they drop off into the earth, where eventually they grow and sprout into new baby Hrothgar. The player models lack nipples because they're past reproducing age.

There is also Radovan from the Gunbreaker storyline who was a forced slave in Garlemald due to his family (wife and child/ren) being used as hostages.

Pretty sure all indications in the lore are that female Hrothgar are every bit as common as males. They just happen to never be on screen due to there being no models for them yet.

Ancient Bozja for example had a majority Hrothgar population, and most queens and priestesses were Hrothgar women just by population statistics. There were simply more Hrothgar women around than women of any other race.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Do the females not exist, and they kidnap a femroe?

Can male Hrothgar reproduce with each other?

With literally no information in the game given, how do I formulate this in my head? How can they even exist? There are literally no females to be seen. Anywhere.

Does the current Bozjan queen just magically turn people into Hrothgar?

Are all Hrothgar just Highlanders in fursuits?

The fascinated lore part of me me is screaming for answers to this glaring plot hole.

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yeah they just kidnap female roe and make them queen go play bozja to see.

They reproduce by budding.

For serious...

Hrothgar reproduce like every other race; the males just heavily outnumber the females, who are kept off the battlefield for the preservation of the species. How such a species survives very long like that I'm... not very sure of, but that's what it is.

In regards to Bozja, like all city-states it was actually diverse. Thing is it had a strict caste system, one of which was a shaman caste which determined who would be queen. Most of them actually were Hrothgar women, but it just so happens the Queen Gunnhildr of legend (who saved Bozja by incarnate summoning herself as a primal with Save the Queen, only to unexpectedly have the Echo which left her lucid and with deific power, so the Gunnhildr's Blades of the time betrayed and killed her so she wouldn't learn she was meant to be nothing more than a sacrifice and go on a rampage with that power) was a Roegadyn.

Doylist answer: we haven't seen Hrothgar women because there are no models for them, and there are no models for them because Viera (p. much).

I say we call SE on the bluff.

Lore needs to change for Hrothgars to say they reproduce asexually or are a Miqo'te and Roegadyn half species.

Or they can add female Hrothgar.

The call to action has to show them their level of ridiculousness.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

I say we call SE on the bluff.

Lore needs to change for Hrothgars to say they reproduce asexually or are a Miqo'te and Roegadyn half species.

Or they can add female Hrothgar.

The call to action has to show them their level of ridiculousness.

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Or the lore was written that way because the devs decided they only had the resources for one whole race and decided to split it into two since they felt like this is the last time anything could be added and wanted to add a race the players wanted (viera) and one they wanted (hrothgar).

I don’t agree with the decision, but it’s the decision they made and it’s likely to stay that way considering the state of things with both the process of developing content for the game and the state the world is in on top of that.

Not sure why a “call to action” is required.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

I say we call SE on the bluff.

Lore needs to change for Hrothgars to say they reproduce asexually or are a Miqo'te and Roegadyn half species.

Or they can add female Hrothgar.

The call to action has to show them their level of ridiculousness.

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... bluff? Do you have any idea how much work goes into modeling a new race?

Aside from actually, you know, modeling the character (to include the myriad face options), they have to put every piece of gear on said model to make sure it looks OK. With hundreds if not thousands of new gear pieces being added every expansion, that makes it exponentially more difficult to implement new races as time goes on; one of the main complaints with Hrothgar (and Viera) was the lack of headgear due to this very issue.

The development team's resources are limited. Given rabid fan demand for playable Viera...

Personally I don't agree with the decision to split resources between two races (one would be preferable, and I'd rather see a full Hrothgar in the interest of artistic liberty for the devs) but it is what it is. Retcons aren't the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

... bluff? Do you have any idea how much work goes into modeling a new race?

Aside from actually, you know, modeling the character (to include the myriad face options), they have to put every piece of gear on said model to make sure it looks OK. With hundreds if not thousands of new gear pieces being added every expansion, that makes it exponentially more difficult to implement new races as time goes on; one of the main complaints with Hrothgar (and Viera) was the lack of headgear due to this very issue.

The development team's resources are limited. Given rabid fan demand for playable Viera...

Personally I don't agree with the decision to split resources between two races (one would be preferable, and I'd rather see a full Hrothgar in the interest of artistic liberty for the devs) but it is what it is. Retcons aren't the way to go.

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On the surface I wanted to understand. Then I went to Bozja and now I see how badly the story has been hurt by not adding female Hrothgar in the first place. These kind of decisions have begun to affect story which is my draw to the game and done at my expense because others wanted to play as different races and strap to resources to make the opposite genders is too high.

At the very least they could have had female Hrothgar only npcs for the Bozja front.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

At the very least they could have had female Hrothgar only npcs for the Bozja front.

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And then what? People will say "look, they're right there! Why can't we play as them? How dare you keep them from us?"

They've said female Hrothgar exist. They've talked about them, made it clear, showed us a mural that doesn't require the building of 3D models to provide an illustration. They've given a cultural reason why we shouldn't expect to see their rare "queens" out on the battlefield.

Why would it be better to throw that all away and change it so they reproduce asexually? What would it achieve? It's just a different excuse, and a weaker one, that removes the potential to imagine that the females are out there somewhere and we just haven't seen them for ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Hrothgar reproduce like every other race; the males just heavily outnumber the females, who are kept off the battlefield for the preservation of the species. How such a species survives very long like that I'm... not very sure of, but that's what it is.

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Yeah the females being rare makes no sense to me. Especially when we know from other NPCs that they have wifes. If females are so rare that they have to stay at home, how would it even be allowed to only have one male as a female? Also does that mean that the females have to constantly be pregnant to hold up the numbers? At least with our other kitten race it makes sense because one male can get huge amount of females pregnant...but one female can only do so much even if they get a few newborns with each pregnancy.

I wonder if SE really thought that through or if they just used that because it was used for male Vieras?

@OP: they do have females, but there's no assets for them, to the point that the devs bent so far backwards in bozja content to avoid showing one that i worry for the state of their spine--it's making this horrible creaking noise.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

On the surface I wanted to understand. Then I went to Bozja and now I see how badly the story has been hurt by not adding female Hrothgar in the first place.

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It hasn't been hurt at all. It'd be rather "straight line" and less interesting to show an exact version of the queen. That's now how primals work.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

It hasn't been hurt at all. It'd be rather "straight line" and less interesting to show an exact version of the queen. That's now how primals work.

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I do think it's been hurt. They had to bend the background legend sideways so that the "Hrothgar Queen" could could have a Roegadyn fill in for the critical on-screen portions of the story.

It's not impossible that they'd write it that way regardless, but it seems unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

It hasn't been hurt at all. It'd be rather "straight line" and less interesting to show an exact version of the queen. That's now how primals work.

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Except that... the "primal" version of the Queen we see IS an exact version of her... just of the Roegadyn Queen, taken out of the memories inside Save the Queen. She's not a "primal", per se... even Mikoto says as much.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Do the females not exist, and they kidnap a femroe?

Can male Hrothgar reproduce with each other?

With literally no information in the game given, how do I formulate this in my head? How can they even exist? There are literally no females to be seen. Anywhere.

Does the current Bozjan queen just magically turn people into Hrothgar?

Are all Hrothgar just Highlanders in fursuits?

The fascinated lore part of me me is screaming for answers to this glaring plot hole.

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Like a potato !

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I do think it's been hurt. They had to bend the background legend sideways so that the "Hrothgar Queen" could could have a Roegadyn fill in for the critical on-screen portions of the story.

It's not impossible that they'd write it that way regardless, but it seems unlikely.

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I get the feeling the intent was always to have the legend be subverted the way it was—the actual queen was always going to be someone who refused to take up Save the Queen, leading to one of her handmaidens being made a sacrificial lamb. Only the part where the handmaiden—and her descendent—were Roes instead of Hrothgar would have to be introduced. In retrospect, it's really not that damaging.

It's still weird, though, that we've got this ragtag army of ex-soldiers and laymen turned resistance fighters of all races and creeds, and opposite them we have an entire Imperial Legion of similar make to the resistance—with some particular standouts like Daguza and his band of beastmen—but not a single one of them is a female Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

I get the feeling the intent was always to have the legend be subverted the way it was—the actual queen was always going to be someone who refused to take up Save the Queen, leading to one of her handmaidens being made a sacrificial lamb. Only the part where the handmaiden—and her descendent—were Roes instead of Hrothgar would have to be introduced. In retrospect, it's really not that damaging.

It's still weird, though, that we've got this ragtag army of ex-soldiers and laymen turned resistance fighters of all races and creeds, and opposite them we have an entire Imperial Legion of similar make to the resistance—with some particular standouts like Daguza and his band of beastmen—but not a single one of them is a female Hrothgar.

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Yes, I don't think the plot of the story would have played out differently with the betrayals, but all these racially diverse females all over the place should have been female Hrothgar. It hurts the story because the Hrothgar Queen become villain isn't racially Hrothgar. It has essentially stopped being a story about Hrothgar and their civilization and instead become a generic war story.

The faux pas is an equivalent if a white actor played Eric Killmonger in 2018's Black Panther. Yeah the plot would be unaffected but they've essentially stolen the villain's identity by casting the wrong type of person.

A roe becoming the Hrothgar Queen villain was a terrible choice for the story and ultimately undermines the Hrothgar specific content. At the very least they could have made 3 or 4 female Hrothgar npcs to fill in for Blade squad, the Queen/Misija, and females standing around Gangos and Southern Front base.

And when the players whined that they can see female Hrothgar and should be able to play them, SE could have stuck to their guns and said those female Hrothgar were essential to story.

But it's too late to retcon it, so the damage has been done.

The fact that the Queen is a Roegadyn instead of a Hrothgar is... Literally the point though. Even if we had female Hroths, Misija and the Queen still wouldn't be Hroths.

That Roe was a temporary queen only made queen to be a sacrifice. She had no real rule. She was just a handmaiden or something that they made become queen for 15 minutes to become a primal and then killed her off when she wasn't needed anymore. I don't really see the big deal there. If the original long term queen had been a Roe then yeah I'd get the complaint, but the sacrificial queen? I don't have a problem with that .

I would have preferred we just got one race. I would have been happier with both genders of Hrothgar OR both genders of Viera, either one, than the split we got. But I don't feel like this ruins Bozja's story or anything.

Do we know the gender split among Hrothgar?

I vaguely recall it being about 1 in 10 Miqote being male, but I can't imagine the difference being quite so huge among the Hrothgar, it just doesn't make a great deal of biological sense.