Housing Frustrations

So, to put it bluntly, last time we had new wards all the houses, and I mean ALL the houses were gone in less than 10 minutes. My FC had worked up the money for a Large and we were gonna buy one as soon as new plots came out but because we didn't have the best internet and the grace of God himself we got nothing. Is this an okay system? To encourage so much extreme competition that people harm themselves over? People have lost sleep for the purchase timers as well. Frankly I'm sick of seeing this fester in the community and am extremely disappointed to hear that Ishgard will be similar if not the same. Is this just how the game is going to play? If you want a little place to your community to hang with friends you have to forego sleep, food, drink, and bathroom to have an ideal chance for? Please give us instanced housing, or revise the system in such a way that does not so severely limit housing availability. And no, I do not take apartments as an acceptable solution because they are tiny ass little rooms that cost 300k a piece, not a place for friends to hang out and interact. Am I the only one who feels this angrily about housing at the moment? Do Yoshida and co. not care enough/don't have the ability to resolve this?

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Originally Posted by KikiTia

Is this just how the game is going to play? [...] Do Yoshida and co. not care enough/don't have the ability to resolve this?

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Yes it is just how it's going to play.
Their solution to the problem seems to be to throw space at it until it's enough. And considering Ishgard Housing is still about a year out... I don't think it's fair to expect instanced housing anytime soon.

Doesn't seem like they have the ability to resolve this.
If they could have given us instances housing, I imagine they would have instead of giving us new wards and Ishgard Housing.

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Originally Posted by KikiTia

So, to put it bluntly, last time we had new wards all the houses, and I mean ALL the houses were gone in less than 10 minutes. My FC had worked up the money for a Large and we were gonna buy one as soon as new plots came out but because we didn't have the best internet and the grace of God himself we got nothing. Is this an okay system? To encourage so much extreme competition that people harm themselves over? People have lost sleep for the purchase timers as well. Frankly I'm sick of seeing this fester in the community and am extremely disappointed to hear that Ishgard will be similar if not the same. Is this just how the game is going to play? If you want a little place to your community to hang with friends you have to forego sleep, food, drink, and bathroom to have an ideal chance for? Please give us instanced housing, or revise the system in such a way that does not so severely limit housing availability. And no, I do not take apartments as an acceptable solution because they are tiny ass little rooms that cost 300k a piece, not a place for friends to hang out and interact. Am I the only one who feels this angrily about housing at the moment? Do Yoshida and co. not care enough/don't have the ability to resolve this?

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I don't feel angry.

I am very disappointed that SE refuses to learn from the past and continues to make the same mistakes by sticking to a ward system that doesn't meet the needs of the player base..

Hopefully when Ishgard opens a year from now. SE will implement the personal purchase moratorium so FCs will be able to get a house without difficulty. In the meantime, keep an eye out for housing becoming available through demolition. Hopefully your FC will be able to get one sooner instead of later.

And you're very wrong if you think an apartment can't be a place for friends to hang out and interact. They absolutely can. We had a sizeable chunk of our FC sitting together and chatting in the FC room of one of my alts while we were watching the Announcement Showcase Friday night and those are the exact same size as apartments. It just takes a bit of creativity to make them into a place where people want to hang out.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Yes it is just how it's going to play.
Their solution to the problem seems to be to throw space at it until it's enough. And considering Ishgard Housing is still about a year out... I don't think it's fair to expect instanced housing anytime soon.

Doesn't seem like they have the ability to resolve this.
If they could have given us instances housing, I imagine they would have instead of giving us new wards and Ishgard Housing.

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They've got the ability to resolve it. The foundation is already part of the housing system in all the house interiors, FC rooms and apartments that already are instanced.

What's confusing is why they continue to refuse to expand on it.

Yoshi-p has loved the idea of "neighborhood" housing since his days of Ultima online. That's probably where the idea came from. Initially housing was priced so high that only a few could do it, but then the game got more people that they initially bargained for. I believe there was some interview somewhere that said if there was something he could do over from the beginning it was housing, but at this point they're too far gone to do anything else about it.

Large houses will sell fast yes but there were houses available even after 30 minutes on Siren.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Large houses will sell fast yes but there were houses available even after 30 minutes on Siren.

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Quoted for emphasis. Some version of this complaint(the OP) comes up a decent amount. The current layout of the housing wards makes getting large houses(and even mediums on most servers) difficult. This is because 70% of the ward is small houses. We do not know if the Ishgardian ward will have the same distribution, but unless they announce something new im going to spend the next 6+ months(until we can go see for ourselves in 6.0) assuming its not changing. So why is only 10% of the ward large? Because when they drew up the map, the original prices were 10x higher. It would take ages for people to save up 400+ million to buy a large, so we wouldnt need many. And the maps just never changed, even though the prices were eventually slashed.

So for the OP. Get the notion that because you saved up enough for a large thats all youll settle for out of your head. Even if the next ward opens up FC exclusive, youll have a ton of competition for that 10% of large plots. When Layla says there were houses available 30+ mins after the servers came up, i believe them because my server was the same. The last small plot actually took almost 3 hours to sell for us. What your plan should be next time is to pick 3ish lots(at least one of which should be small). If the first pick is full, immediately work your way down the list. And even if all the plots you like are taken by the time you get to them(the faster you do this check the better), buy any small plot even if you dont like it. Because 1, you might actually find that you DO like it once you decorate it out and get used to the place... and 2, having a plot means you can use relocation to move your house later(and in case you dont read this board and see all the complaints, relocation allows you to skip the random timer of a demo'd house). And in the meantime, a few of your FC members can buy apartments(maybe in the same building to be neighbors?) and decorate them out. Jojoya is 100% right that you can make an attractive hangout spot if you put in some effort. And that will all be good practice for when you get the FC house and want to decorate it.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They've got the ability to resolve it. The foundation is already part of the housing system in all the house interiors, FC rooms and apartments that already are instanced.

What's confusing is why they continue to refuse to expand on it.

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Do they have the ability to resolve it?
They have the ability to make new instances housing in the form of apartments, but from what I understand those barely work on the back end.

Any size house is good for an FC, aim for a small or medium one if the large one fails, you wont lose out on anything FC wise other than gardening plots small 1 medium 2 and large 3.

You can later on relocated to a bigger size FC house later on, the workshop/airships/submarines/FC member rooms will follow.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Do they have the ability to resolve it?
They have the ability to make new instances housing in the form of apartments, but from what I understand those barely work on the back end.

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Sure they do. The process might make a few players mad at a restructure of the current system, but in the end we will get rid of all these same posts about how bad housing is to get (and throwing in someone's health concerns to boot).

Even if they could wipe out the entire housing system and start over, they could make the same structure with some development modifications, utilize both existing and new servers they just got a few months ago and turn it instanced.

Give back the players who have houses, the small, medium or large ones they originally purchased to match what is in the instance. If they can't have an outside area developed because of instancing (normally you go into the house like in FFXI), then make a sunroom or something within the instanced house that would accommodate for gardening and social "outside" type of areas.

Expand the housing storage to accommodate the furnishings even temporarily, so people aren't struggling to move things out of storage into retainers for the move.

At worst, you have to redecorate (who would hate that? I've redecorated three times in the past few months, and change the outdoor area along with the seasons). We may not have an exterior building look, but that wouldn't bother a lot, if any, people.

In summary (TL: DR): Take the current apartment type approach and accommodate the living quarters to coincide with small, medium and large houses, then add a room to 'settle' for an outdoor need, such as gardening. Remove existing housing after its implemented which I am betting would take off a lot of stress on the current infrastructure.

Weren't there actually houses, like, available for a week or so? Not *large* but....like, you can't be picky when there's already a slim amount of choices to be had.

There's homes *available*, just check regularly and be prepared to fight for it like everyone else.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Do they have the ability to resolve it?
They have the ability to make new instances housing in the form of apartments, but from what I understand those barely work on the back end.

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Then we wouldn't have housing at all.

Again, even our house interiors are instanced.

Have you never noticed that when you go into your house, you get the "You have left the sanctuary." and "You have entered a sanctuary." but when you leave your house to be back into the ward you get both those messages PLUS a message listing the housing district name and ward number. Your character has been moved from the ward server to the housing instance server and then back to the ward server.

Never been curious why the weather inside your house is always listed as Fair even though it was Fog in the ward when you went into your house and Rain when you left it 10 minutes later?

Interiors are already an instanced system. What's not working on the backend is trying to add weather conditions to the instance server. Considering most players aren't actually interested in gardening and just want a bigger space to decorate, I don't think that's really an issue.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

Weren't there actually houses, like, available for a week or so? Not *large* but....like, you can't be picky when there's already a slim amount of choices to be had.

There's homes *available*, just check regularly and be prepared to fight for it like everyone else.

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That small surge of houses was due to hitting the 45 day mark after demolition resumed. We're not going to see a similar surge short of demolition again being suspended for several months (taking out the chance for any houses to become available short of voluntary relinquishing during that period) then being resumed.

Having 6-8 houses a week per world become available when there are hundreds of players actively looking doesn't help those hundreds that don't get lucky and are still without a house.

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Originally Posted by KikiTia

Am I the only one who feels this angrily about housing at the moment? Do Yoshida and co. not care enough/don't have the ability to resolve this?

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You're far from the only one who hates this system. For so many years SE have had a tremendous amount of feedback regarding housing availability and don't appear to want to address it properly. They only tweak what we currently have and some of those tweaks have been merely swapping one set of problems for another instead of being a solid solution. Watching this for so long turns anger into a calmer but still very negative feeling: disappointment.

I'm hoping the island sanctuary will provide some manner of housing. It would be such a missed opportunity if it doesn't. However as I said in another thread I won't be surprised if it doesn't considering SE's history with handling housing. They do so much right but when it comes to housing...there's so much wrong.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I'm hoping the island sanctuary will provide some manner of housing. It would be such a missed opportunity if it doesn't. However as I said in another thread I won't be surprised if it doesn't considering SE's history with handling housing. They do so much right but when it comes to housing...there's so much wrong.

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They've already said what it is - I wouldn't expect it to be something it's not going to be.

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

They've already said what it is - I wouldn't expect it to be something it's not going to be.

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I don't recall them saying much of anything about it at all. What we got was a teaser, not a detailed rundown of exactly what it will be.

But I already said I'm not expecting it to have housing due to SE's track record with it. Would be nice if it did though.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

That small surge of houses was due to hitting the 45 day mark after demolition resumed.

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Small... what kind of world do you live in?

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Originally Posted by KikiTia

So, to put it bluntly, last time we had new wards all the houses, and I mean ALL the houses were gone in less than 10 minutes. My FC had worked up the money for a Large and we were gonna buy one as soon as new plots came out but because we didn't have the best internet and the grace of God himself we got nothing. Is this an okay system? To encourage so much extreme competition that people harm themselves over? People have lost sleep for the purchase timers as well. Frankly I'm sick of seeing this fester in the community and am extremely disappointed to hear that Ishgard will be similar if not the same. Is this just how the game is going to play? If you want a little place to your community to hang with friends you have to forego sleep, food, drink, and bathroom to have an ideal chance for? Please give us instanced housing, or revise the system in such a way that does not so severely limit housing availability. And no, I do not take apartments as an acceptable solution because they are tiny ass little rooms that cost 300k a piece, not a place for friends to hang out and interact. Am I the only one who feels this angrily about housing at the moment? Do Yoshida and co. not care enough/don't have the ability to resolve this?

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I feel the same way and this system is not acceptable and need to change. It's not worth it anymore with how it's done and i pay my sub to have fun, not do this. Instanced need to happen like all other mmos have.

As I've recently become fairly frustrated with trying to get a small against the veritable tide of auto-clickers (reported two on my last attempt about half an hour ago), let's look at some quick stats.

According to the PS5 Beta trailer during the Endwalker livestream, FFXIV has 20m+ players. Each server has 5,520 housing plots separated between four different neighborhoods and spanning several wards/subdivisions. Given that there are 68 active servers between JN, NA, and EU, you're looking at a grand total of 375,360 plots.

For the record, that is <2% of the player-base. Granted, not all 20m+ players are active, of course. Not all will be able to afford or have interest in housing. Some will probably settle for an apartment. But consider for a moment that percentage... <2%. Think about it real hard for a second. Assume for just a moment that if any other feature of this game could only be accessed by <2% of the people playing it - let's say, an exclusive Savage or something that only awarded glamours. Not everyone is interested or capable of running it, right? But I'd argue that there are quite a few players that -probably- would be interested but would be excluded from it by its very nature. How would the community react? Would people defend it? Would people say, "Right but you don't have to do the Savage, everyone has access to Extreme" as they do with apartments, or "Savage really isn't worth anything" as they literally wear the glamour from said Savage?

Point here is that the demand extremely outweighs the supply, and whereas there seems to be precisely zero effort in fixing it, there are people who would basically give you the RL treatment and tell you to suck it up and keep trying because it worked for them back in 2017 when the PCU was a pittance of what it is now. And this isn't a new phenomenon - this has been going on for literal years. If it's one thing I've taken away from this, my seventh attempt at getting a house and failing - some legitimate, some relocations, some to auto-clickers - it's that it truly is not worth my time. Time is a finite, invaluable resource that we all have but once lost we can never get it back. And frankly? If there wasn't a whole host of other things I wanted to do in this game, I'd have unsubbed on that fact alone. Nothing provokes my disdain quite like wasting my time and coming out with nothing for it, and that's without a community of proverbial millionaires telling me that money doesn't buy happiness as I'm chewing on sawdust.

In regard to the "can't fix/expand on it because it would stress the servers" argument - we know for a solid fact that 375,360 players are willing to pay $12.99/month to be able to own/retain a house in this game. At $4.8m+/month just in that alone, I'm sorry, but I don't buy that argument.

20millions who has subbed in for a period time, amount of people actually playing the game and active as well, is quite a bit of a different story, it is 20millions of all time, meaning dead accounts is probably calculated with.

They did that with wow and other MMOs as well.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

It's not worth it anymore with how it's done and i pay my sub to have fun, not do this.

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Then don't do it? Not like there's a gun to your head saying YOU HAVE TO DO THIS. This game is not unplayable without a house.
You want one, I get it. But you don't HAVE to have one.

I am also EXTREMELY disappointed in Yoshida-san for sweeping this under the rug during the expansion announcement. I was so excited all month really all year to get news of 6.0 but hearing that housing will remain unchanged was almost enough to undo all the hype I have for Endwalker. What's worse, is that this game has seen bad circumstances before that they've had to apologize for and fix with 1.0 being a huge example. But now their silence seems to go in the face of their initial philosophy of being open with the community and actually listening to feedback. Housing need to change. I've click stalked house plaques 6 times now for hours, and nothing. I'm a veteran player since 2.0 (not that I deserve over others) but I've paid thousands for this game. I just want a damn house.

I would argue that the game actively rewards people who have housing by featuring rewards for PVE content and official holiday content with housing items. If the developers are going to add indoor and outdoor items for reward in official holiday events then every player should have accessibility to indoor and outdoor furnishing placement. Apartments do not feature outdoor furniture placement.

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Originally Posted by geminipestdeath

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While I agree with the general idea that SE needs to pay more attention to housing. you've got some numbers wrong and you're making some assumptions that you shouldn't.

The game does not have 20 million active players. There have been 20 million accounts created since the game was released. Most of those accounts are no longer active (just as WoW had over 100 million accounts created as of Cataclysm even though the game only had about 10 million active subscribers at the time).

The best guess is that there's a little under 1 million active players right now. Number was higher earlier in the expansion but has dropped a bit now the expansion is more than half over (normal for MMOs).

Even if only 50% of active players would like to own a house, it means we've still got a fairly large shortfall. With Ishgard not being opened until 6.1 and the active player count no doubt increasing again with the new expansion content, there's no way Ishgard housing is going to be sufficient to fill demand if the number of wards in all housing districts remains the same. SE needs to do something else if they're serious about making sure there are enough plots for every player that wants a house.

As for 375,000 players being willing to pay $12.99/mo just to keep a house... are you nuts? This isn't a housing-centric game. There might be that small percentage of players who pay a subscription solely to keep a house but for most of the rest of us, housing is a small part of a much bigger package. If the rest of the package fails to keep us entertained, we're not going to stay subscribed just for our house. Most people are smart enough not to waste money that way.

Also, that $4.8 million a month you mention isn't solely to pay for housing. It pays for a lot of things, some that aren't even directly game related like accounting staff and maintenance staff, insurance and other benefits for employees, etc. Companies do have expenses generated by necessary operations that aren't directly related to creating the products they sell. It's naive to think those numbers are inconsequential in a company with thousands of employees.

Certainly, SE needs to do something to address the lack of supply so every player that wants a house can get one but let's not distort the situation.

It's becoming pretty clear that the current servers cant handle the demands that are being placed on them. (Almost daily emergency maintenance of one server or another).

Back in October Square told us they had planned to have new servers installed for increased housing but that travel restrictions because of Covid had prevented them from moving forward with those plans. Since it seems pretty unlikely that travel restrictions are going to change much anywhere in 2021 i hope Square does whatever they need to do to get those servers up and running sooner rather then later and get us that additional housing they had hoped to give us back in October and at the same time hopefully reduce the server issues they seem to be having lately.

Come to twintania, we still have like 100 free plots here lul.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

Come to twintania, we still have like 100 free plots here lul.

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Originally Posted by Bladehawk

Back in October Square told us they had planned to have new servers installed for increased housing

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They never said anything about housing, get your facts right.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

Come to twintania, we still have like 100 free plots here lul.

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I checked on Spriggan and the Goblet has like 5+ houses in ever. single. ward.

I'm glad that a couple of EU worlds still have houses for their players who want one. That's helpful for those on the EU data centers who are willing to pay to transfer worlds so they can have a house while still being able to play with their friends on their current world.

It doesn't help players on the packed NA worlds who would have to quit playing with their friends and deal with latency issues on a different data center just to get a house.

That situation demonstrates one of the flaws of the system. As long as the number of houses per world has to remain the same and the NA and EU regions average twice the population per world that the JP region does, there will never be sufficient housing for every player that wants one.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I'm glad that a couple of EU worlds still have houses for their players who want one. That's helpful for those on the EU data centers who are willing to pay to transfer worlds so they can have a house while still being able to play with their friends on their current world.

It doesn't help players on the packed NA worlds who would have to quit playing with their friends and deal with latency issues on a different data center just to get a house.

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I play on EU and even I'm sick of players pointing NA players to the EU servers. Sacrificing the overall quality of the game due to latency as well as cutting yourself off from your friends is not what I consider to be an acceptable trade for access to any content.

Yea sure data centre visit is coming at some point in the next expansion, but that still doesn't fix the issues with latency, which can be massive depending on your location and your internet connection.

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They never said anything about housing, get your facts right.

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They did, and I did.

Basically its like buying a house in RL in Colorado lol

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Originally Posted by Big_Bap

They never said anything about housing, get your facts right.

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Wrong, they in fact did. They spoke about new servers to add for housing and couldn't be implemented because of travel and COVID. But, it wasn't October, it was August.

Would you like the proof? Here we go. You ready? Got your facts straight? Because I know I do.

BAM! https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...f3579a73d109cf

Uh oh.

I think another one is brewing... yep, here it comes - more facts!!! Look out!

BAM! https://massivelyop.com/2020/08/17/f...using-servers/

Oh my God, I think I'm gonna post yet another article about it... I can't control myself! OH GOD!

BAM! https://www.iggm.com/news/Final-Fant...ts-In-Patch-54

Is this enough of those facts for you to straighten out?

The problem is, they wanted the servers in by 5.4 Patch - that didn't happen unfortunately. Personally, I believe we won't see them until 6.0 when Ishgard housing is implemented.

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

Wrong, they in fact did. They spoke about new servers to add for housing and couldn't be implemented because of travel and COVID. But, it wasn't October, it was August.

Would you like the proof? Here we go. You ready? Got your facts straight? Because I know I do.

BAM! https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...f3579a73d109cf

Uh oh.

I think another one is brewing... yep, here it comes - more facts!!! Look out!

BAM! https://massivelyop.com/2020/08/17/f...using-servers/

Oh my God, I think I'm gonna post yet another article about it... I can't control myself! OH GOD!

BAM! https://www.iggm.com/news/Final-Fant...ts-In-Patch-54

Is this enough of those facts for you to straighten out?

The problem is, they wanted the servers in by 5.4 Patch - that didn't happen unfortunately. Personally, I believe we won't see them until 6.0 when Ishgard housing is implemented.

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WOW, I had no idea someone could have such terrible reading skills, but let me guide you through this.

Read this subtitle very slowly: Improving Data Centers to Allow for Additional Plots

Now read the following: all data centers will require additional servers

Do you understand now? Contrary to your initial presumption and as clearly written, they are adding servers to every DC. They aren't specifically installing more hardware for housing purposes, it's to increase the amount of worlds available to players. If it was specifically meant for housing and housing alone, they wouldn't be talking about adding more servers to the Data Centers, they would talk about adding more wards.

In case you haven't noticed by now, they have added new servers at the release of the past 2 expansions. Do you see the pattern?

For someone to preach about reading comprehension, I don't think you understand really what that means.

You replied to Bladehawk specifically about SE not mentioning housing, and you told them to get their facts straight. In fact, housing was mentioned. I replied to your stupid statement about 'Housing wasn't mentioned at all, get your facts straight'.

Again, it was mentioned. Now you posted drivel about servers specific for housing. No one said that. Not one person, especially the person you replied to about it. Even reading their post, it specifically said 'increased housing', yet somehow you translated that on your Speak & Spell that the servers were specific to housing.

I don't believe anyone here had those delusions of grandeur about housing server being specific to housing. That would actually require them to reimplement the housing system (which wouldn't be a bad idea) and put forth the effort, which we all know would/will not happen.

People in this thread, like many others, are wishing in one hand, but getting s*** in the other by SE when it comes to housing. Posts in this thread are throwing out frustrations about the housing system and venting it. They aren't stating new hardware is for housing. We all know it's a band-aid for the issues with the system.

But to be so presumptuous as to your post - well, dictionaries are abundantly available for you to read. You henpecked one post like it was some injured deer then mushroom stamped it like a tool. You think you're some world class post sniper, which is fine in your own little world. In fact, you're just using a shotgun blast to make yourself sound louder than you are. Your first post in here was to Jojoya, who by the way - is a careful person with their words, and yes, it was a small surge of housing that was available when demolition hit. Then you posted drivel to Bladehawk.

AGAIN: Not one person here said the servers were specific to housing - that was your presumption, not ours. Bladehawk said increased housing, which is exactly what you posted agreeing with replying to me, and we all knew.

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

For someone to preach about reading comprehension, I don't think you understand really what that means.

You replied to Bladehawk specifically about SE not mentioning housing, and you told them to get their facts straight. In fact, housing was mentioned. I replied to your stupid statement about 'Housing wasn't mentioned at all, get your facts straight'.

Again, it was mentioned. Now you posted drivel about servers specific for housing. No one said that. Not one person, especially the person you replied to about it. Even reading their post, it specifically said 'increased housing', yet somehow you translated that on your Speak & Spell that the servers were specific to housing.

I don't believe anyone here had those delusions of grandeur about housing server being specific to housing. That would actually require them to reimplement the housing system (which wouldn't be a bad idea) and put forth the effort, which we all know would/will not happen.

People in this thread, like many others, are wishing in one hand, but getting s*** in the other by SE when it comes to housing. Posts in this thread are throwing out frustrations about the housing system and venting it. They aren't stating new hardware is for housing. We all know it's a band-aid for the issues with the system.

But to be so presumptuous as to your post - well, dictionaries are abundantly available for you to read. You henpecked one post like it was some injured deer then mushroom stamped it like a tool. You think you're some world class post sniper, which is fine in your own little world. In fact, you're just using a shotgun blast to make yourself sound louder than you are. Your first post in here was to Jojoya, who by the way - is a careful person with their words, and yes, it was a small surge of housing that was available when demolition hit. Then you posted drivel to Bladehawk.

AGAIN: Not one person here said the servers were specific to housing - that was your presumption, not ours. Bladehawk said increased housing, which is exactly what you posted agreeing with replying to me, and we all knew.

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We are gonna get extra servers for people to move to on each DC with 6.0 hence more housing is available, though you need to change server for it + Ishgaard housing in 6.1 on every single server, I don't see the problem?

So yes we are gonna get more housing plots, it is already settled by SE development of next expansion, and if any of the DC upgrades is about housing.. then you know when you are gonna get it :)

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"Granted, not all 20m+ players are active, of course."

Was my exact words, but hey, reading can be as difficult as getting a house, apparently.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

We are gonna get extra servers for people to move to on each DC with 6.0 hence more housing is available, though you need to change server for it + Ishgaard housing in 6.1 on every single server, I don't see the problem?

So yes we are gonna get more housing plots, it is already settled by SE development of next expansion, and if any of the DC upgrades is about housing.. then you know when you are gonna get it :)

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I mean, honestly, I don't think it matters. You could double the number of plots available and there would still be 10-15 people chilling around each placard hoping to be the one to get it. The game's population is only ever going to increase with the expansion of free-to-play content, interest, advertising new expansions, etc. One server might have 5 plots empty in each ward whereas more population servers like Gilgamesh will still have a veritable horde of people standing around clicking their lives away instead of doing something more productive.

Not that it matters, honestly. If this and other threads are any indicator, the community seems pretty divided on whether or not it's even possible. Brass tacks is that lesser MMOs have already figured this out and while we could spend literal weeks debating the merits of how effectively they did so, it doesn't do anything to address FFXIV's case. We could argue about how "valid" housing is for the FFXIV experience revolving around its practicality in gameplay. People have different ambitions. Some want colored parses in Savage content, some want to have an awesome looking glamour they can share on Eorzea Collection, some want a house. Only one of those three has a barrier of entry that cannot be overcome solely by the player's own perseverance - at least not at the cost of enjoying any other aspect of the game.

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Originally Posted by geminipestdeath

I mean, honestly, I don't think it matters. You could double the number of plots available and there would still be 10-15 people chilling around each placard hoping to be the one to get it. The game's population is only ever going to increase with the expansion of free-to-play content, interest, advertising new expansions, etc. One server might have 5 plots empty in each ward whereas more population servers like Gilgamesh will still have a veritable horde of people standing around clicking their lives away instead of doing something more productive.

Not that it matters, honestly. If this and other threads are any indicator, the community seems pretty divided on whether or not it's even possible. Brass tacks is that lesser MMOs have already figured this out and while we could spend literal weeks debating the merits of how effectively they did so, it doesn't do anything to address FFXIV's case. We could argue about how "valid" housing is for the FFXIV experience revolving around its practicality in gameplay. People have different ambitions. Some want colored parses in Savage content, some want to have an awesome looking glamour they can share on Eorzea Collection, some want a house. Only one of those three has a barrier of entry that cannot be overcome solely by the player's own perseverance - at least not at the cost of enjoying any other aspect of the game.

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A lot of these houses owned by players stand empty or am not or barely used at all, that is the other problem, let houses cost rent per month... 500K a month for a small 1million per month for a medium and 2millions per month for a large, for FC housing it would be 2million for a small per month, 4millions for a medium and 8millions for a large per month, and that is bound in and only due to that there is way many more people around a FC house.

For a player a small would be 6millions per year, medium 12millions per year and a large 24millions per year.
For a FC a small would be 24millions a year, medium 48millions per year and a large 96millions per year.