I don't know people, I am new to this old game. Is it even possible to finish an 8 men one time scenario nowadays? Two days I've been waiting for it to happen, stucking at a Main Scenario called Operation Archon. How about changing it to a 4 men run. One thing discourage me the most is that I am the only one wanted to do a specific "raid".
Is it even possible to do Operation Archon?
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02-03-2021, 07:36 PMJbeanIs it even possible to do Operation Archon?
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02-03-2021, 07:39 PMDemoniunDid you try to set all languages on duty finder settings? It should start at roulette reset, if you queue 5 minutes and you're dps, it's normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbean
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02-03-2021, 07:53 PMJbeanThanks for the advice, I'll try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demoniun
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02-03-2021, 07:55 PMEnkidoh
Or, alternatively, you could find a higher level player and see if they can run you through it unsynced, as it's really easy to do so that way (as a new player you would be able to watch the cutscenes unhindered at least).
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02-09-2021, 03:07 PMKikiTia
I get it pretty regularly in my trial roulette... the queue may take quite a bit of time, especially as dps, as long as 10-20 minutes, but they do happen consistently. It is a very very very VERY easy roulette for those that get it, so it is definitely not undesired. Make sure you have all languages available, and keep queueing. I promise you those clears do absolutely happen, even if you may have to wait forever to get into it.
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07-23-2022, 10:00 AMaboveinfluence2
I haven't been able to beat the new SOLO version of Operation Archon either. I tried my best I can get to stage three of the boss and then die with barely having a chance to cast. If this isn't fixed I am going to quit and play the WoW expansion and EverQuest2. I loved the game up until this point, it was perfect, I don't want to have to quit before the game is done.
Please fix this, I selected Very Easy and it is still very hard. Once I get to level 90, I will be spending money in the shop but not before I beat the Virgin game. -
07-23-2022, 10:13 AMaboveinfluence2Operation Archon - RIAD or SOLO
How do I do Operation Archon as a raid Quest? The quest presents itself as a solo quest, Online it shows as a Raid or Solo Quest. I've attempted Operation Archon Solo like ten times, there are 4 parts and I can't beat the 3rd phase.
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07-23-2022, 10:48 AMaboveinfluence2Cape Westwind - Not in Duty Finder
Cape Westwind isn't showing up in my Duty Finder, the only option it is giving me is Solo Entrance, I don't want to solo this, please fix it so it shows up in the Duty Finder. I want to do the Cape Westwind version of him but it is making me solo him.
THIS IS THE SOLO VERSION OF HIM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saLV1etTuhg
in the solo version of him, you have to kill him 3 times and kill his minions one time.
THIS IS THE CAPE WESTWIND VERSION OF HIM,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoQmAyXUd3w -
07-23-2022, 12:15 PMSannaRIs your gear up to date? Also since 6.1 it was changed from an eight man trial to a solo fight.Quote:
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07-23-2022, 08:50 PMFrizze
So ill start by answering the easiest question. The old version of the fight doesnt exist anymore. That doesnt mean we cant get you past this one though. For the time being, everything i write will be assuming that you intend to do this fight on your highest level class - your black mage. So i started by looking at your gear via a character search. Most of your gear is fine(well above what anyone would normally have when doing the fight), but im curious what your thought process is for the weapon. Its easily your worst piece, and weapon is the most important upgrade to make in terms of upgrading your damage(this is true for every class, not just BLM). Something as cheap as a Yeti Staff(hq) will likely make a much bigger difference for your spell damage then you might guess, and the shield isnt really benefiting you like you might have hoped. The devs decided that BLM(and WHM too actually) were better served by using 2-handed staves/canes, and moving forward the 1h+shield option is no longer available.
Beyond that, what part of the fight is actually killing you? I watched the video you linked, and it seemed like a fairly straightforward fight to win(and indeed, the SAM did win). Slow easy to read attack telegraphs, nothing super tricky. One lesson every BLM must learn when doing solo fights is that sometimes breaking off a cast is better then eating an attack. And once he starts setting down those big patterns, he seems to mostly stand still for a bit to set them off - plenty of time to get in some hits after getting out of the way. Other "new player traps" ive seen include kiting. In general, it doesnt work so dont bother. It causes you to lose a ton of attacks, while the enemy isnt actually that put off. When you dont need to dodge a big move, stand your ground. You can hit Surecast if youre getting interrupted a lot(typically isnt an issue), and it might not be obvious but BLMs actually have the best defensive move in the game outside of the tank classes - Manaward. Being able to pick and choose where you can just strategically ignore a move because it wont overcome your shield is amazing. Im guessing its a very strong move to pop at the start of the last phase.
And the final thing to consider is rotation. The BLM rotation at 50 is easy enough, but the way the spells are worded causes some players to mistake the way they are meant to be used. The simplified version you should use would be this: Bliz3 Thun3 Fire3 Fire1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1 B3 and repeat. If you get any Firestarter procs add them in. At higher levels you sometimes want to save them to give you a spell to cast while running, but for a fight like this a lost second or two of uptime isnt the end of the world. For Thundercloud procs, try to save them to replace the next T3 you need to cast(though using them early isnt the end of the world either). I can explain the theory behind all of this if it doesnt make sense, and while there is a less simplified version this should be more then enough to handle this fight. And finally, old caster adage: ABC - Always Be Casting. If you arent moving to dodge an attack, you should be flinging a spell every second of the fight.
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07-24-2022, 01:31 AMaboveinfluence2
I can get to phase 3 of the fight after that his attacks are so frequent that I don't get a chance to cast and eventually I make a mistake. I'll try this rotation - Bliz3 Thun3 Fire3 Fire1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1 B3 and repeat. Usually I don't get to cast so I don't get any damage done. Often I have to interrupt my cast so I don't get to do damage.
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07-24-2022, 01:57 AMSannaR
Don't forget that you can cast Scathe while moving so if you do find yourself needing to run more you can still do some sort of damage. I know people love to meme on potions but they do come in handy at times.
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07-25-2022, 01:24 AMFrizze
The video made it look like the last phase was just an endurance test. He seems to bind you in place, then start bombarding the area with attacks. My guess would be that the play at that point is to completely stop trying to move and just burn him down. Once he gets you in place and the first missile goes off id probly try to hit manaward(or possibly just before that first missile? not having done the fight, im guessing at which timing would work best), then go full speed on the attacks. Once ward wears off, try surecast. By the time thats over the fight should be more or less done.
SannaR - I didnt mention Scathe because that can be a new player trap sometimes too. Ive seen some people think they were doing better damage because the spells were hitting faster and/or being frustrated with casting times and defaulting to scathe because it doesnt have one. Scathe damage... it feels wrong to call it damage its so much worse then true BLM potential, it doesnt refresh your AF/UI timers which can cause actual issues if you arent cognizent of it, and casting times are the class so someone too easily frustrated by that would be better off switching to RDM or SMN rather then playing BLM wrong. But all my issues with the spell aside(which i mention not for your sake, but any potential newer player reading this because they have similar issues), you are of course correct. And especially the potion bit. It shouldnt be needed since this duty includes a regen buff, but having a backup plan isnt a bad thing. -
07-25-2022, 05:45 PMHasratAssessing the video, thinking in terms of BLM, I'm not so sure this is the play. The attacks all look simple enough to dodge, the intent seems to be more "get your hits in when it's safe."Quote:
Originally Posted by Frizze
At that stage, BLM probably suffers more than any other job regarding rotation. I'd say, Fire 1 should probably be the spell to focus on casting every time you have a few moments between attacks. Once the attacks start coming and you won't be casting anything for several seconds, just Transpose to recover MP for the next breather. Trying to work in the B3/F3 swaps runs the risk of losing timers and sticking you with a long cast to get going again, and just not really getting a chance to get the engine revved in all that movement.
Additionally, after having failed the fight... there should also be an option to do it with Easy mode... unless devs forgot to put that in with this rework... -
07-25-2022, 06:28 PMFrizze
Is entirely possible you are right. I havent done the fight. But the vid made it look to me like you were bound in place and then bombarded. I didnt see the bind icon go away(is it maybe a 2nd target to break the chain and sam just didnt bother because melee?). The attacks do look simple to dodge IF you can move. If not, burning him faster then he can burn you seems like the logical play. So far im not curious enough to dig up where this would fall into the NG+ sphere to try for myself, but i guess if Niwa continues to struggle is a possibility.
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07-25-2022, 09:55 PMHasrat
Oh, nah, I took "third phase" to mean after the adds. The bound finale doesn't seem like something that should be posing a problem for getting casts off unless the attacks are interrupting, which... maybe, but, you'd think devs would know to account for that...
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07-26-2022, 01:44 PMSeera1024I went through the New Game +. It's in Chapter 4, which is the quests from Coerthas in the mid-30's through end of main ARR. It took several hours of speed running the MSQ to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frizze
It's totally doable on a Black Mage. I did just realize afterward that my attempt at being geared 100% like a level 49 Black Mage as close as possible got foiled. One of my rings remained. And of course it would be the iLvl 600 Asphodelos ring of casting. Oops. You do get item synced down to iLvl 50, however.
Today was my first time doing the altered fight and I went in blind. I did get hit a few times during the first phase while trying to greed so there is at least some room for error.
Some tips:
1. Fish for Firestarter procs while in Fire. They're free damage and you can cast them on the move. Useful in the 2nd main phase. Stay in Fire until you can't cast Fire 1 anymore. Then and only then switch to Ice via Blizzard 3 ideally. When you're in Ice, perfect time to throw out a Thunder as a filler move while you wait for your mana to fill up. Only stay in Ice as long as it takes to get to max mana. Use Fire 3 to switch back. Using the opposite Element #3 is a fast cast skill.
2. Definitely use Thunder. Thunder procs are also free damage and can be casted on the move.
3. Not sure if this would work, but you should be able to Sleep the ads in the ad phase. If not, work on them one by one. This reduces the damage coming in. Or at least that's how I did it.
4. Don't forget about Manaward. It's our we take no damage button. Very useful for the final phase where we can't get out of the AoE. I also used it during the ad phase.
5. Don't forget about Sprint. Can be useful in the 2nd main phase if you realize you're on the other side from the safe spot.
6. Don't forget about health potions and scour your inventory for food that would help you. Either by giving you a way to heal yourself or to boost your stats.
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07-26-2022, 11:39 PMFrizze
Yeah, i pulled up the NG+ menu just to see how far it would be. It looked like you had to run the quests all the way from basically just after beating titan to get to this instance, so i didnt do that. Im happy to offer advice and perspective(or even a piece of gear here or there), but i dont have THAT much free time in game.
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10-18-2022, 05:37 AMPashenI feel your pain. I came here to get away from WoW. Cape Westwind/Operation Archon may be my Waterloo in FFQuote:
Originally Posted by aboveinfluence2
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10-18-2022, 06:44 AMSeera1024What class are you using for the mission?Quote:
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What's the level of your gear on the left side?
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10-20-2022, 08:20 AMPashen
Thanks for showing interest. I'm not ready to tackle it again just yet, though. In all honesty I only attempted it once, at approx. item level [edit: 123, not 213 as originally stated] as character level 59. All my gear was top notch. I say "was", because since dinging 60 yesterday, I'm now IL 198, using Wolf Marks to buy pvp gear for all slots. I have only one character, archer/bard, the one showing as my forum avatar.
The result of my one attempt was to make it past the adds, then getting overwhelmed by the large aoe circles he lays across most of the combat area. I know I need to up my reaction time to find those slivers of safe ground, I'm just not looking forward to it, particularly as the point I died appears to be only part 2 of 4.
I'm interested in any comment but it's probably premature to ask for advice when I haven't yet invested the time required to grapple with the issue of dodging his aoe attacks. I also need to pick through more videos to find the ones that were made after the change to SOLO mode.
Thanks again. :)
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10-20-2022, 09:40 AMRongwayNone of this matters. The duty syncs to Lv50 and IL50. For reference, the Lv45 job quest gear is IL50 and the Lv50 job quest top that completes the set is IL55. The Lv50 job quest also gives you a coffer for a full set of the IL90 palette swap. All of that will sync down to IL50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pashen
Something what might help you, in re: dodging AoEs, is that as soon as a cast bar finishes filling and disappears, or orange telegraphs on the ground disappear, it's safe to step into the AoE. In fact many fights in this game have rapid attack sequences that (due to latency) will require you to step into AoEs after they've been calculated but before their animations go off. Get used to doing this, maybe. It's extremely uncommon for attacks to hurt you just by running into the animation after the telegraph/castbar disappears (I can think of maybe two attacks in the entire game, both flamethrower type attacks), so if the attack doesn't leave an explicit puddle effect, don't be shy about running into the marked area after the orange telegraph disappears if it'll help you dodge the one that follows. -
10-21-2022, 04:54 AMPashen
Yup, L50 sync really harshed my mellow on this one. I walked into it thinking I'd be in an eight-person party, not having seen that the change to SOLO had been made. My sense of foreboding is palpable going forward. That aside, your suggestion about timing my actions in aoe situations is very relevant and very much appreciated. Perhaps there's hope!
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03-16-2023, 03:42 AMcasi2161
I started this last night and winded up dying to the (second/third) (after his guards came back-those were easy enough to kill), but the circles were growing, and no matter how much I moved to get away, I died. I watched a video, and now I am concerned about the last phase since I was doing it on a summoner, and not sure she can handle those. I have the gear you get once you finish the summoner mission (up to level 50), but it is not working great even with that. The first one I have had a fundamental problem with. Is a summoner the ideal one to do it with? I do have a red mage (lv 52), samurai (lv 50-51), and the scholar (same level as my summoner-55).
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03-16-2023, 03:38 PMToutatisThe duty has changed since this thread was created. It used to be an 8m trial. I haven’t done it since it was redesigned into a solo mission but if the video alone isn’t enough to help you clear it, you could have a look at the walkthrough part here describes the fight step by step. See if you can find what you may be missing:Quote:
Originally Posted by casi2161
https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/w...eration_Archon
From what I see in the fight description, you may be moving late and getting snapshotted when trying to get away from the flames even if you appear to get out of them in time on your screen.
But clearing it on Summoner shouldn’t be an issue. Every single battle job can clear this as well as any MSQ mission in the game.