Collegiate Attire & why not high knee socks?

First of all I want to say, this is cool and I am sure many people love this new glam in the mogstation. Second of all I am tired of seeing these glams that only have 3 pieces being the same price as the more detailed outfits that has all 5 pieces.

But I've been wondering for a long time now why do we only get these shoes with the tiny socks? We already have plenty in the game and now this one gets them too? I for one would like to use a skirt with diff pair of long socks/stockings that are NOT attatched to the skirt.

It is a very simple glamour, why do we not have them yet?

Totally guessing here, but it might be more work to make sure the socks actually disappear under certain (tighter) pants if they were to be attached to the shoes. Not to mention the amount of skirts/shorts + socks/stockings combinations we already have, if they added shoes with socks attached they'd have to try and make it look nice by layering them or have only one set show.

But that's just a guess.

I would guess it's to do with how the gear pieces combine with each other.

I've been observing and trying to work out the rules for how things go together (more looking at gloves than shoes, but I think they might work the same), and I think that ankle-length footwear has a piece of data on it saying whether they go over or under pants - but the behaviour of knee- or thigh-length footwear might only be determined by the pants.

If that's correct then if you tried to wear the knee-high socks with pants, they'd go over the pants, and maybe in that case they need to be thicker socks so the model pieces line up.

That's my guess, anyway.

If you wanted knee-high socks then they probably need to be modelled onto the legs of the skirt piece, and then people would probably be disappointed that it's not just a skirt without socks.

Oh yeah, those definitely need knee high socks. The bare legs are too much.

However, without knee high socks attached to the skirt, that skirt can now be used in combination with other glams a bit easier. Give or take, preference really.

The lack of ZR actually ruins this outfit, I don't know what they were thinking.

Probably wouldn't be much of an issue if the top part of the sock is a bit bigger, or they added some kind of circlet?

Kind of an example:
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-Hyur.png

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Probably wouldn't be much of an issue if the top part of the sock is a bit bigger, or they added some kind of circlet?

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That's the thing though, you'd probably need something like that wider cuff on the thigh, rather than tight-fitting socks like they can do if it's on the leg piece.

Gonna use rebel boots. Bare legs meh

Other then the no socks I appreciate this glamour set for the fact both kinds are not genderlocked, something I was afraid of when I saw the top with the tie.

Gotta find a pair of high heels to go with it :) the ONLY way to go.

I do love that they show the opposite genders using Viera and Hrothgar, just so you know the outfits aren't gender-locked.

Meanwhile Scholars be like:

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-Hyur.png

Would be nice if we were able to toggle socks/stockings on and off with the shorter skirts(the ankle length ones don't really need it, but the ones that are thigh/knee length would be nice).

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I've been observing and trying to work out the rules for how things go together (more looking at gloves than shoes, but I think they might work the same), and I think that ankle-length footwear has a piece of data on it saying whether they go over or under pants - but the behaviour of knee- or thigh-length footwear might only be determined by the pants.

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It's so weird how many clothes combinations are just not possible in this game. For example also "socks", "stockings" or "tights" on the leg equipment that always have to stop at the ankles so you can only wear boots with them, so technically they are nothing more than leg warmers or leggings. Or how so many long gloves or gauntlets have to be HUGE or everything will clip. Or the whole topic about Viera and Hrothgar head gear.

I'm not playing any other games where you have so many gear options you can freely combine, so how is it in others?

Times like this I wish we had a few more glamout spots, something like an underwear slot and a slot for glasses/shades. But whatever, we'll adapt and make some cool glamours like we always do.

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Originally Posted by Limonia

I'm not playing any other games where you have so many gear options you can freely combine, so how is it in others?

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For what I experienced in other games (although I can't say I'm an expert) most MMOs either don't have this amount of diversity in gear, or some items clip badly with each other (sometimes even worse than some clipping issues in FF14). Sometimes devs go for alternating the look of some items in order to make combinations work (much like high boots technically alternate the look of many pants here, for example). That said, FF14 isn't alone in its issues with gear, but I would say there are games that are better at handling this (or, rather, they made it the right way from the start).

I think a lot of thing aren't impossible on a technical side, but potentially they could mean that modeler and coder will need to revisit tons of old items each time there's new release in order to set rules for hiding/showing depending on combination (which right now seem to work more like "this item goes over all pants" or "this item goes under all pants"), which is a lot of work and it would get only worse with each patch just for the coding part, not even testing. And this is, I suspect, the main reason why they tend to avoid making some type of items (like boots with high socks, for example, instead making socks part of the pants slot). It's not that it's impossible to do at all, it's just potentially troublesome. That said, in order to avoid that, they need to overhaul the gear system just in general, which isn't something easy to do at this stage in game's lifecycle - not impossible, but there's no guarantee they'll ever decide to do that. It's usually easier to create something new from scratch than fixing issues in old stuff.

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Originally Posted by Alestorm

Times like this I wish we had a few more glamout spots, something like an underwear slot and a slot for glasses/shades. But whatever, we'll adapt and make some cool glamours like we always do.

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Yes, for some stupid reasons we have boxers here under the skirt even for females. I blame Roes and Hrothgars lol

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Yes, for some stupid reasons we have boxers here under the skirt even for females. I blame Roes and Hrothgars lol

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It's a cultural thing in this instance. In Japan (perhaps in South Korea and China as well but not sure) school students often wear shorts (not underwear, but actual shorts on top of usual underwear) under their skirts for several reasons (most common being to not show their underwear when they ride bicycles, and also to protect themselves from becoming a victim of "pantsu shot"ing). I suppose they didn't really need to make it a detail in this attire, but if the habit is as common as I think, there's a chance they think it's simply normal to have shorts under skirt in school form. :shrug:

Because the glamours in FFXIV are simple, the hairstyles are simple & the character creator is simple
Until people start actually advocating & requesting for improvements in such things, just keep expecting lackluster or simple.

People have been requesting more character creation options for years. It's not really up to us.

@OP It's most likely because this is a representation of the traditional school uniform in Korea (and by extension sorta-kinda Japan). People don't wear knee high socks; I mean they might go at most mid calf..or they just go full on tights.

No saying it doesn't exist, but I am saying the amount of complaints I've heard about glue/rubber bands/other MacGuyvering to keep the socks up makes a lot of schoolgirls I know hate 'em.

@Ongoing:
I for one vote for simple character design. It's an MMO and beyond my character I don't really care what other people look like. I can find something that satisfies me and don't really need "the perfect look".

For me, the problem is, people who are unsatisfied will never be satisfied/always want more- I'm rather impressed with the amount of variety in look available in FFXIV personally. Also, the more complicated each character is, the slower it's going to run on my rig. I'd rather allocate those resources (both my processing power and development time) on other things.

Of course no offense to any that disagree, just my humble opinion.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

Because the glamours in FFXIV are simple, the hairstyles are simple & the character creator is simple
Until people start actually advocating & requesting for improvements in such things, just keep expecting lackluster or simple.

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We already have tons and tons of threads asking SE for more options. What exactly are you wanting? Your threads to be on the front page everyday? :confused:

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

We already have tons and tons of threads asking SE for more options. What exactly are you wanting? Your threads to be on the front page everyday? :confused:

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10 bucks she says a simple. " Yes"

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Originally Posted by Limonia

It's so weird how many clothes combinations are just not possible in this game. For example also "socks", "stockings" or "tights" on the leg equipment that always have to stop at the ankles so you can only wear boots with them, so technically they are nothing more than leg warmers or leggings. Or how so many long gloves or gauntlets have to be HUGE or everything will clip. Or the whole topic about Viera and Hrothgar head gear.

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I'd expect we don't get true socks because we also can't have true bare feet. They could probably do it, but we would still get a bit of a sandal along with them. When it comes to the robustness of most arm gear, something you can look into are some body pieces have sleeves or arm guards as part of the attire, but not attached to it. If you like the look it is not difficult to find hand gear that matches or blends well. These items are clearly visible as their thumbnails depict this feature. Some examples are, but not limited to are the Chief Bunny Bustier and Thavnairian Bolero.

I'm just sitting here wondering if I'm the only person annoyed that the shirt has 3 button holes but only 2 buttons. Seeing it in cutscenes over and over is driving me nuts lol I mean, once you see it, you cannot un-see it!

https://i.imgur.com/FZKrOSi.png

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Originally Posted by A_Lost_Time_Mage

I'm just sitting here wondering if I'm the only person annoyed that the shirt has 3 button holes but only 2 buttons.

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Oh, I put that down to typical sloppy teen dressing practices/clothing care. One button ripped off, or they misaligned the holes whilst dressing.

lol I could see that I suppose, I'm going to put that down to sloppy art team at SE :P

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

People have been requesting more character creation options for years. It's not really up to us.

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Correct. It's up to their engine.