Once again, GNB and DNC are left out of the new crafted primal weapons

I'm getting tired of GNB and DNC missing out on crafted primal weapon glamours. Zurvan weapons were added this patch and, once again, GNB and DNC are left in the dust. :mad: Can the dev team get to work on these please?

I'm still stumped as to why they made a GNB and DNC weapon for Shinryu, retroactively put in the non-crafted into the fight and then did nothing else. Like, why JUST that fight?

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Originally Posted by Infindox

I'm still stumped as to why they made a GNB and DNC weapon for Shinryu, retroactively put in the non-crafted into the fight and then did nothing else. Like, why JUST that fight?

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The best reason for that is Shinryu would be in the next Ultimate, they did the same on Bahamut for SAM and RDM when the first ultimate appeared.
What bother me the most is that since Zurvan is no longer forgotten,so next weapon might be Susano and/or byakko, leading to no weapon again for the next patch i think... Sad :(

Spread the word DNC and GNB already were snuffed from birth having the least amount of weapons and with 5.4 nothing new added for them

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Originally Posted by noctis-lilisan

The best reason for that is Shinryu would be in the next Ultimate, they did the same on Bahamut for SAM and RDM when the first ultimate appeared.
What bother me the most is that since Zurvan is no longer forgotten,so next weapon might be Susano and/or byakko, leading to no weapon again for the next patch i think... Sad :(

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Yeah but that doesn't explain why there isn't DNC and GNB for Suzaku, Seryu and Tsukiyomi. They are all SB fights like Shinryu is. And they had no difficulty accommodating for the new jobs in SB back then.

My guess is 5.5 will add susano and byakko crafted weapons with 0 new DNC and GNB shiny weapons as usual, random reskins for their ultimate weapons again, and then I have the hope that in 6.0 they'll add all the missing weapons everyone else gets each patch. But that's probably very unlikely due to them probably releasing two new jobs that will probably be just maybe even more limited then DNC and GNB. So Here's hoping that maybe, just maybe, they give us all our missing weapons in 5.5. I dearly hope I'm wrong that they'll be lacking in any decent shiny weapons outside of the relic and shinryu's until ShB crafted weapons.

im not asking for Dnc and Gnb to get all primals but atleast everything from there base level onwards .
i just don't get why they didn't just make Alex weapons for DNC and GNB and used Alex weps for Ult
they did for bahamut

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Originally Posted by Duskane

im not asking for Dnc and Gnb to get all primals but atleast everything from there base level onwards .
i just don't get why they didn't just make Alex weapons for DNC and GNB and used Alex weps for Ult
they did for bahamut

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Best guess is that they are overloaded with jobs, which is in part a reason why they start so late. Imagine having DNC and GNB at Lv30? They’ll need every single dungeon drop primal drop allag tomestone gear to the point of overloading the devs. Sure a massive logical plus is new players to experience the job and a much fleshed out Job quest story but downside are the progression growing pains and not having the jobs at SHB (which I wasn’t aware FF14 were aiming for a afk arena mindset)

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Originally Posted by Duskane

im not asking for Dnc and Gnb to get all primals but atleast everything from there base level onwards .
i just don't get why they didn't just make Alex weapons for DNC and GNB and used Alex weps for Ult
they did for bahamut

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Yeah, I didn't expect any weapons from ARR primals, but it would be nice to see what is around their base level. It's just really jarring seeing all the options for the other jobs on the market board and then for GNB and DNC... Not even a full list on screen.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Spread the word DNC and GNB already were snuffed from birth having the least amount of weapons and with 5.4 nothing new added for them

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Nothing?
You mean other than the new tome weapons, new eden ones, emerald weapon's, and the new crafted ones?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Nothing?
You mean other than the new tome weapons, new eden ones, emerald weapon's, and the new crafted ones?

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In the context of this thread, yes they got nothing. Otherwise it was standard fanfare.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Nothing?
You mean other than the new tome weapons, new eden ones, emerald weapon's, and the new crafted ones?

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Compaired to the amount of weapons that SAM and RDM got in Stormblood, yes it's close to nothing.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Nothing?
You mean other than the new tome weapons, new eden ones, emerald weapon's, and the new crafted ones?

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Each one you mentionned are needed for the new raids, if they didn't have them, let's just forget DNC and GNB, they would not be able to play anymore...
What we are complaining about is the glamour weapons, not needed to play with, but needed for those like us that like glamour stuff

Limited expansion.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Nothing?
You mean other than the new tome weapons, new eden ones, emerald weapon's, and the new crafted ones?

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Did you even read the post? Or even aware of what little GNB and DNC have?

They don't care about these jobs. Its evident. The people who defend this too are the kind of people who theorycraft about the new jobs and what theyre going to be or how they'll play which is so ironic because the next jobs will end up more barebones too. A guy in my FC is like this. Doesnt matter to him because he mains SMN as he puts it but goes on about how he'll play the new jobs and how they'll be. Support the new jobs fully before making new ones.

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Originally Posted by Drwho94

They don't care about these jobs. Its evident. The people who defend this too are the kind of people who theorycraft about the new jobs and what theyre going to be or how they'll play which is so ironic because the next jobs will end up more barebones too. A guy in my FC is like this. Doesnt matter to him because he mains SMN as he puts it but goes on about how he'll play the new jobs and how they'll be. Support the new jobs fully before making new ones.

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GNB and DNC are fully supported. Those jobs lack nothing they need to be able to play the game. If they didn't care, GNB and DNC would be getting nothing at all.

SE can't spend all their development time going back and making vanity rewards for jobs that didn't exist when content was first added to the game. They need to focus on making new rewards for new content to come.

When all the player base can do is whine about the things they aren't getting instead of expressing thanks for the times the developers have gone out of their way to try to add in some of those retroactive rewards, does it really come as a surprise they've stopped bothering?

If you can't show some appreciation for what they have done, there's no point in doing more for you.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

GNB and DNC are fully supported. Those jobs lack nothing they need to be able to play the game. If they didn't care, GNB and DNC would be getting nothing at all.

SE can't spend all their development time going back and making vanity rewards for jobs that didn't exist when content was first added to the game. They need to focus on making new rewards for new content to come.

When all the player base can do is whine about the things they aren't getting instead of expressing thanks for the times the developers have gone out of their way to try to add in some of those retroactive rewards, does it really come as a surprise they've stopped bothering?

If you can't show some appreciation for what they have done, there's no point in doing more for you.

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You can say that easily enough if you don't play or main either of these jobs. Just for the record, all other jobs BUT GNB and DNC got all these fancy vanity rewards, and you expect GNB and DNC mains to be grateful? Spare me. Am I happy with the content they've pushed out this expansion? For the most part. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna take this particular matter lying down.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

GNB and DNC are fully supported. Those jobs lack nothing they need to be able to play the game. If they didn't care, GNB and DNC would be getting nothing at all.

SE can't spend all their development time going back and making vanity rewards for jobs that didn't exist when content was first added to the game. They need to focus on making new rewards for new content to come.

When all the player base can do is whine about the things they aren't getting instead of expressing thanks for the times the developers have gone out of their way to try to add in some of those retroactive rewards, does it really come as a surprise they've stopped bothering?

If you can't show some appreciation for what they have done, there's no point in doing more for you.

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The jobs are supported in battle and most content, yes. And I appreciate what they have given us. But as I've said in a previous post, they have already done this before for SAM and RDM, so why all of a sudden is it a difference now? And why make ONE weapon (Shinryu) then not the others? For my other half who plays the game with me, it's frustrating for him to see the rest of us get excited for new weapon glamour only to see his main class, Gunbreaker, have nothing.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

SE can't spend all their development time going back and making vanity rewards for jobs that didn't exist when content was first added to the game. They need to focus on making new rewards for new content to come.

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I agree.
Especially as the number of expansions continues to grow theres an ever more impossible amount of gear they'll never be able to catch up on.
But... when they do make new rewards (like the shiny crafted weapons) it's strange when DNC and GNB only get ones sometimes...

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

GNB and DNC are fully supported. Those jobs lack nothing they need to be able to play the game. If they didn't care, GNB and DNC would be getting nothing at all.

SE can't spend all their development time going back and making vanity rewards for jobs that didn't exist when content was first added to the game. They need to focus on making new rewards for new content to come.

When all the player base can do is whine about the things they aren't getting instead of expressing thanks for the times the developers have gone out of their way to try to add in some of those retroactive rewards, does it really come as a surprise they've stopped bothering?

If you can't show some appreciation for what they have done, there's no point in doing more for you.

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Yeah lets just forget they went back alll the way to ARR to make primal weapons for RDM and SAM in Stormblood whilst also getting crafted weapons throuout all of 4.X patches. You're trying to say we should be thankful for the bare minimum for these classes. But look at the marketboard for DNC and GNB compared to every other class. Its embarrasing. But you wouldn't understand because you main bard and have had everything since game launch. But yeah we should just lie down and be thankful about the lack of options whilst everyone else gets to enjoy other things.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I agree.
Especially as the number of expansions continues to grow theres an ever more impossible amount of gear they'll never be able to catch up on.
But... when they do make new rewards (like the shiny crafted weapons) it's strange when DNC and GNB only get ones sometimes...

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Not an issue. Square Enix is a multi billion dollar company. They could hire contractors to make the weapons and focus on just that. People seem to forget SE isn't hurting for money to hire people.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You can say that easily enough if you don't play or main either of these jobs. Just for the record, all other jobs BUT GNB and DNC got all these fancy vanity rewards, and you expect GNB and DNC mains to be grateful? Spare me. Am I happy with the content they've pushed out this expansion? For the most part. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna take this particular matter lying down.

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Please spare yourself from making bad assumptions about what another poster does or does not play. I do play both jobs on both this character and one of my others.

Other jobs got the weapons because those weapon models already existed as the trial rewards. All SE did was add the particle effects.

Or have you never bothered comparing the crafted trial weapons to the trial weapons before?

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Originally Posted by Infindox

The jobs are supported in battle and most content, yes. And I appreciate what they have given us. But as I've said in a previous post, they have already done this before for SAM and RDM, so why all of a sudden is it a difference now? And why make ONE weapon (Shinryu) then not the others?

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And people complained about the GNB/DNC Shinryu weapons when those were released because the base weapon models were "borrowed" from other content then the particle effects added.

Starting to see the problem? SE did what they do with all the crafted trial weapons - take an existing model and add particle effects - and players still chose to complain.

I know they went back and added several for SAM/RDM. Did the weapons modeling team have more time available to work on them back then or was there some other factor at play that allowed it to happen then but not now. I don't have answers.

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Originally Posted by Drwho94

But look at the marketboard for DNC and GNB compared to every other class.

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What else do you expect for 2 jobs that only require gear for 20 levels when most of the others require it for 80?

It was your decision to main those jobs. You need to learn to accept the differences that come with them.

Have you at least bothered thanking SE for finally making an Aiming set that looks more appropriate for DNC than BRD/MCH? Probably not. You're too busy looking for trivial things to get offended about.

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Originally Posted by Drwho94

Square Enix is a multi billion dollar company. They could hire contractors to make the weapons and focus on just that. People seem to forget SE isn't hurting for money to hire people.

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Spoken like a true spoiled and ignorant child. "Others should spend all their money on me to give me what I want" when you evidently know nothing about the business.

Can we please stop with the entitlement crap, lets not digress into Pokemon territory now with how disgusting their mindset is and how all fans are entitled and yadda yadda yadda we pay a sub for a quality product and the "vanity" items wouldnt be as big of a deal if SB didnt treat SAM and RDM so well. Comparatively so GNB and DNC not only got the short straw but continue to get the short straw with new weapons added to everyone but them like Seriyu and Suzaku and Tsukiyomi. Currently both only have 1 while 4 were added in SHB. During SB SAM and RDM got all of them even the Dreadwyrm weapons (also the two other 70 ultimates have no options for new jobs)

Cant even blame it on Covid tbh as the jobs were snuffed from the start. This regressive mindset of "your just entitlted be thankful for what you got" is irrlevant and is the worst flavor of corporate boot liking that the pokemon community is currently suffering for. Vanity IS the game alot of people look forward to new weapons only to see the devs blatant disregard to the newest jobs is disheartening to say the least

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Can we please stop with the entitlement crap, lets not digress into Pokemon territory now with how disgusting their mindset is and how all fans are entitled and yadda yadda yadda we pay a sub for a quality product and the "vanity" items wouldnt be as big of a deal if SB didnt treat SAM and RDM so well. Comparatively so GNB and DNC not only got the short straw but continue to get the short straw with new weapons added to everyone but them like Seriyu and Suzaku and Tsukiyomi. Currently both only have 1 while 4 were added in SHB. During SB SAM and RDM got all of them even the Dreadwyrm weapons (also the two other 70 ultimates have no options for new jobs)

Cant even blame it on Covid tbh as the jobs were snuffed from the start. This regressive mindset of "your just entitlted be thankful for what you got" is irrlevant and is the worst flavor of corporate boot liking that the pokemon community is currently suffering for. Vanity IS the game alot of people look forward to new weapons only to see the devs blatant disregard to the newest jobs is disheartening to say the least

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Once they reach Shadowbringers weapons (not long now thankfully) they will get some good stuff. But until then...we are quite limited in the glamour game.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Please spare yourself from making bad assumptions about what another poster does or does not play. I do play both jobs on both this character and one of my others.

Other jobs got the weapons because those weapon models already existed as the trial rewards. All SE did was add the particle effects.

Or have you never bothered comparing the crafted trial weapons to the trial weapons before?


And people complained about the GNB/DNC Shinryu weapons when those were released because the base weapon models were "borrowed" from other content then the particle effects added.

Starting to see the problem? SE did what they do with all the crafted trial weapons - take an existing model and add particle effects - and players still chose to complain.

I know they went back and added several for SAM/RDM. Did the weapons modeling team have more time available to work on them back then or was there some other factor at play that allowed it to happen then but not now. I don't have answers.


What else do you expect for 2 jobs that only require gear for 20 levels when most of the others require it for 80?

It was your decision to main those jobs. You need to learn to accept the differences that come with them.

Have you at least bothered thanking SE for finally making an Aiming set that looks more appropriate for DNC than BRD/MCH? Probably not. You're too busy looking for trivial things to get offended about.


Spoken like a true spoiled and ignorant child. "Others should spend all their money on me to give me what I want" when you evidently know nothing about the business.

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Bruh, the thanks the devs get is the player base continuing to pay $15 a month plus expansion price every two years. This isn't a gift from your Auntie or something, it's a product that people are paying money for. They are not your friends, you are a customer.

And customers are allowed to question providers when they feel they are missing parts of a product. Get off your high horse.

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Originally Posted by Drwho94

Not an issue. Square Enix is a multi billion dollar company. They could hire contractors to make the weapons and focus on just that. People seem to forget SE isn't hurting for money to hire people.

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There quickly comes a point where it's not worth it.
SQEX would pay an ever increasing number of people just to make glamour items for an ever increasing previous number of expansions, and in exchange SQEX makes zero extra dollars because having those items won't sell more subs.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Can we please stop with the entitlement crap, lets not digress into Pokemon territory now with how disgusting their mindset is and how all fans are entitled and yadda yadda yadda we pay a sub for a quality product and the "vanity" items wouldnt be as big of a deal if SB didnt treat SAM and RDM so well. Comparatively so GNB and DNC not only got the short straw but continue to get the short straw with new weapons added to everyone but them like Seriyu and Suzaku and Tsukiyomi. Currently both only have 1 while 4 were added in SHB. During SB SAM and RDM got all of them even the Dreadwyrm weapons (also the two other 70 ultimates have no options for new jobs)

Cant even blame it on Covid tbh as the jobs were snuffed from the start. This regressive mindset of "your just entitlted be thankful for what you got" is irrlevant and is the worst flavor of corporate boot liking that the pokemon community is currently suffering for. Vanity IS the game alot of people look forward to new weapons only to see the devs blatant disregard to the newest jobs is disheartening to say the least

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Its not just the blatant disregard too its the disregard with no reason either. You know I could understand if they said something along the lines of "There are no crafted primal DNC and GNB weapons just yet but they are coming just please give us some time." But it's the silence too, its not like they can use the "Its too much hard work" excuse when as you know SAM and RDM got treated so well last expansion in comparison.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

And people complained about the GNB/DNC Shinryu weapons when those were released because the base weapon models were "borrowed" from other content then the particle effects added.

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I don't know if you've checked but the Shinryu DNC and GNB weapons are unique. Nothing about them are "borrowed".

DNC:
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...&category3=107

GNB:
https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...&category3=106

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Originally Posted by ItMe

There quickly comes a point where it's not worth it.
SQEX would pay an ever increasing number of people just to make glamour items for an ever increasing previous number of expansions, and in exchange SQEX makes zero extra dollars because having those items won't sell more subs.

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Yeah, I would never expect them to outsource this sort of thing. I just wanted to create this thread with the intention of bringing this to the dev team's attention if at all possible. At least THIS thread has sparked some debate, whether I agree with some of what's being said or not. I made a thread about the last batch of weapons and it quickly fizzled and faded into nothingness. I know I'm far from the only one not satisfied with the current state of GNB and DNC when it comes to glamour options. So...I'm trying to do something about it.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Once they reach Shadowbringers weapons (not long now thankfully) they will get some good stuff. But until then...we are quite limited in the glamour game.

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This is incredibly subjective but the 5.0 weapons look ugly with Light weapons being the only decent looking ones so id MUCH MUCH rather have 4 lords beautiful varied weapons than the Werlty ugly bluky clunky ones or hell even the HW ones as all of them were amazing

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Originally Posted by Jirah

This is incredibly subjective but the 5.0 weapons look ugly with Light weapons being the only decent looking ones so id MUCH MUCH rather have 4 lords beautiful varied weapons than the Werlty ugly bluky clunky ones or hell even the HW ones as all of them were amazing

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Definitely a matter of personal preference. We will have to agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

And people complained about the GNB/DNC Shinryu weapons when those were released because the base weapon models were "borrowed" from other content then the particle effects added.

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May i have a link to these complaints? Unless they are assumption then please spare yourself from making wild accusations. Not only is it objectively wrong (Or may have it confused with TEA weapons which GNB borrowed the model for it twice once for crafted and again for Forgivin weaopons in Mt gulg, and DNC was Shire gear) but its not even a good counterargument

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Originally Posted by Jirah

May i have a link to these complaints? Unless they are assumption then please spare yourself from making wild accusations. Not only is it objectively wrong (Or may have it confused with TEA weapons which GNB borrowed the model for it twice once for crafted and again for Forgivin weaopons in Mt gulg, and DNC was Shire gear) but its not even a good counterargument

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They were completely unique. About the only thing I could imagine being a complaint is the DNC weapons being round? They're supposed to be though. lol I don't know, just spit balling here. The only prominent reskins that come to mind were the PotD and HoH weapons. People did complain about those.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It was your decision to main those jobs. You need to learn to accept the differences that come with them.

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I also hate this line so much and its the reason why companies get away with so little. The "Just accept what they give you" line. So because I play a specific class I should miss out on things?
To me that is the wrong attitude to have.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

There quickly comes a point where it's not worth it.
SQEX would pay an ever increasing number of people just to make glamour items for an ever increasing previous number of expansions, and in exchange SQEX makes zero extra dollars because having those items won't sell more subs.

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I may not know alot about game design but its two weapons not a entire raid tier im sure the community alone can muster fanart for the 4 lord weapons and adding glow effects i doubt would take up time from other content like BLU or Eden Trials

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I may not know alot about game design but its two weapons not a entire raid tier im sure the community alone can muster fanart for the 4 lord weapons and adding glow effects i doubt would take up time from other content like BLU or Eden Trials

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I came up with an idea in the other thread for the Tsukuyomi DNC weapon. Im not creative so it looks a bit bad but as an idea goes I think it would be neat.
https://i.imgur.com/Rm3OQXm.png

Using Tsukuyomis cresents. This is how I'd make them look with the current glow effect the moonlit ones get.
This is just one side. On the Other side the black would be the main one there with the white being the smaller one.

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Originally Posted by Drwho94

I also hate this line so much and its the reason why companies get away with so little. The "Just accept what they give you" line. So because I play a specific class I should miss out on things?
To me that is the wrong attitude to have.

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All of his backwatered comments are like that people are far to submissive to corporations like this. its the reason why franchises like pokemon are left wanting with basic elements removed and those who defend a uncaring corporation. "be thankful" they say as we literally support their games. Its not a gift it is a product we purchase and as such ALL complaints are worth a ear not just those you deem relevant. Its not even somting unfitting like making the content like ff11 or some crap its literally making all jobs equal by giving us equal opportunity to enjoy vanity. He shouldve never came here as he made himself look like a shill

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Originally Posted by Drwho94

I came up with an idea in the other thread for the Tsukuyomi DNC weapon. Im not creative so it looks a bit bad but as an idea goes I think it would be neat.
https://i.imgur.com/Rm3OQXm.png

Using Tsukuyomis cresents. This is how I'd make them look with the current glow effect the moonlit ones get.
This is just one side. On the Other side the black would be the main one there with the white being the smaller one.

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*cries*

maybe some day..

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Originally Posted by Jirah

All of his backwatered comments are like that people are far to submissive to corporations like this. its the reason why franchises like pokemon are left wanting with basic elements removed and those who defend a uncaring corporation. "be thankful" they say as we literally support their games. Its not a gift it is a product we purchase and as such ALL complaints are worth a ear not just those you deem relevant. Its not even somting unfitting like making the content like ff11 or some crap its literally making all jobs equal by giving us equal opportunity to enjoy vanity. He shouldve never came here as he made himself look like a shill

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People can "shill" all they want for all I care. I don't appreciate how condescending the person in question has been though. People can defend a company without acting like a jerk. Clearly they cannot do both.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

This is incredibly subjective but the 5.0 weapons look ugly with Light weapons being the only decent looking ones so id MUCH MUCH rather have 4 lords beautiful varied weapons than the Werlty ugly bluky clunky ones or hell even the HW ones as all of them were amazing

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I will agree on the Ruby/Emerald ones, they are ugly. But maybe in the future with the "shiny" effects they will look cool. I hated the Zervan ones and now the rapier with its effects is one of my favorites.

Still to reply to Jojoya, I don't recall people complaining about those when they were out. I know a lot of people that did the fight just to get them for glamour reasons or to get the mat for the crafted. I still love this game, I'm not going to stop playing because two jobs have piss poor weapon glamour choices. But I do have a right to express my complaints about it. If SE came out and addressed this, cool. But the silence is a bit annoying when what they are doing doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

I still love this game, I'm not going to stop playing because two jobs have piss poor weapon glamour choices. But I do have a right to express my complaints about it. If SE came out and addressed this, cool. But the silence is a bit annoying when what they are doing doesn't make sense.

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Agreed! i may ***** about MCH and the low level dungoens being more difficult than high level ones but the game is still enjoyable the forums exist for community discussion good and bad not a fanclub