Please enhance instead of delete

Would it be possible if instead of deleting things, Square-Enix could enhance them?

I will provide a list of things that have been deleted, and possible alternative solutions instead of their deletion.

Here are a list of things simply deleted/discontinued.

Most recent:

Greased Lightning.
Main Story Quests. (A Realm Reborn)

Others:

TP (Battle points for Melee classes)
Point Allotment.
Cross Class actions.
Battle leves. (4.0+)
Unique Job Traits.
Old class/job actions.

There are others, but this thread isnt meant to touch on every single topic, but to bring up awareness, and try to possibly bring passion and creativity back into the development team.


Greased Lightning.

This is probably the most difficult, as everyone will want something different.

This proposed idea is not meant to be a "perfect example" or be an "actual suggestion" as to "how to fix monk" but to be as a representative how the team could approach monk to keep everything while making it more fun and engaging, than simply "deleting greased lightning" and making monk "more simple."

Jobs should be engaging and fun, unique and interesting. Not everything has to be so easy for a beginner, from the start of the game to the end of the game. I would think by time a player reaches the end of the game, the player has an understanding of more complex things, and should be challenged. A good game, has these elements, and has a good balance. Simply making everything basic, and trivial are not the workings of a world renowned RPG.

But Monk has a few key elements.
Fists of Earth/Wind/Fire,
Greased Lightning,
Forms, Opo-opo, Raptor, Coeurl.

My suggestion overall here, again is meant only to be a representation, not a "suggestion." The aim here, is to keep every action, make them all more purposeful, and give monk more "off global actions."

The way these work currently is Fists are mostly useless, Greased Lightning is being deleted so I assume the complaints here are "its hard to maintain" and the forms are being changed so I assume this is "boring."

My enhancing solution instead of deletion is to tie them together.

Create the action:
Elemental Fists.
Gained at level 15 (Instead of/in conjunction with fists of earth.)
Cooldown 20 or 30 seconds.

Elemental Fists changes element based upon your current form.

Opo-Opo = Earth
Raptor = Fire
Coeurl = Wind

This action combines the Fists of Fire/Wind/Earth actions into a single action, and can be executed only based on your current form. Each form grants a different "buff."

Now for Greased Lightning.

Monk will function similarly here, as to how it would without greased lightning. Its base damage and speed will be enhanced by traits, but instead of deleting greased lightning, it is worked into Elemental fists, and form shift.

Upon gaining greased lightning stacks the player gains access to greater Elemental Fists buffs.

Stacks of Greased Lightning 1, 2, and 3 respectively.

Elemental Fists:
Earth
GL1
-Reduces damage taken by 5% for 10 seconds.
GL2
-Reduces damage taken by 10% for 10 seconds.
GL3
-Reduces damage taken by 15% for 10 seconds. Resets Mantra Recast timer.

Wind
GL1
-Reduces Action recast time by the normal amount GL1 would.
GL2
-Same as above, but for GL2
GL3
-Same as above, but for GL3, Resets Tornado Kick recast timer.

Fire
GL1
-Increases damage dealt by 5% for 10 seconds.
GL2
-Increases damage dealt by 10% for 10 seconds
GL3
-Increases damage dealt by 15% for 10 seconds. Resets Riddle of Fire recast timer.

Form Shift would now instead reset the recast timer of Elemental Fists and would have a longer cooldown in accordance with balance.

Main Story quests:

Instead of deleting quests, Square-Enix could have made them worth while, or created cutscenes to supplement the quests, cutscenes would have been a much greater choice here.

On top of this, Square-Enix could have utilized their "Normal, Easy, Very Easy" options to quest battles, and added a "Hard" version, that players could change the setting to at the start of the game, or add a setting to the menu. This would have been perfect for New Game+

I even venture to say they could even add a Hard, and Very Hard option.

TP (For melee battle classes)

Instead of outright deleting TP, Square-Enix could have made the system better. Instead of needing TP to execute actions, TP could have started at 0 again, and the more TP a player had, the faster a certain actions recast timer would reset, or the greater damage a specified action could deal.

I would then venture to say all classes and jobs could benefit from this mechanic, and would make battle much more engaging, and thoughtful.


Point Allotment:

Instead of simply deleting point allotments. Points could be attributed to subsidiary numbers, such as criticial hit, skill speed, determination. This way players could have greater choice in reaching a very specific skill speed number with a certain gear set build. Or other creative combinations.

They also could have other subsidiary traits returned, such as parry, block rates, evasion, that could be utilized for progression or other creative reasons.

Cross Class actions:

Instead of simply deleting cross class actions, this system could be specific to classes (not job) and low level combat would be much less boring.

They could even venture to go further and add an action for low level combat.

"Tactical Attack"
Would be a level 1 or level 2 off global action with a short recast timer and possibly charges. This would teach the player early on about utilizing their "off globals" between their "global attacks" as well as enhance low level combat.

Battle Leves:

Instead of simply discontinuing battle leves, and then creating synced side quests, they could have combined these two ideas, and given players greater and additional options to leveling multiple classes. I'm sorry but it is not fun, running the same dungeon over and over, for multiple classes. Its good to sometimes break up the repetition.

Also, I think I calculated one time, that to gain one level, a player would need to complete like 150 side quests just to level up? Maybe cut back on the amount of side quests, and create more worthwhile and engaging ones? Certainly this cant be too difficult to achieve. No one is going to want to do 150 quests just to gain one level, especially if those quests have no other impact except to mostly gain exp, or learn about the local plant life.

Unique Job Traits:

Instead of simply discontinuing unique job traits after level 50, such as Mug for Rouge/Ninja, and Ninja's movement speeds, this idea I feel should be taken, and run with. Make all jobs have unique traits such as these, and as you level, enhance their function. Rouge/Ninja, should have a 80-90% success rate with Mug at level 80. Thats my opinion anyway.

Old Class/Job actions:

Instead of deleting actions, and effectively "killing" jobs for certain people, even so much that the player is likely even to quit, (which I in fact have seen happen numerous times now) Combine actions.

Have actions work in unison, such as instead of deleting shadow flare from SCH, add it to Sacred Soil. Utilize the "enhancing" traits more such as Inner Beast > Fell Cleave, or Jump > High Jump.

There are many many things Square-Enix could do, if a little more thought and passion for FFXIV was put into choices. I understand "just delete it" is an easy and simple response, but I feel this waters down the experience, and drives players away.

I think I can honestly say, more players have quit FFXIV because content feels meaningless, and choices are unimpactful more than players looking at how many quests they have to do to complete the main story.

If the quests felt more worthwhile and battle, and choices, felt impactful, I feel there would be fewer complaints.

Again, I would like to point out.

I am just a lowly video game player, who "knows nothing about video game development" and I created these representations of ways to approach solutions on the fly with very little thought.

So if I can "come up" with ideas such as to add "Hard mode" and "Very Hard mode" and add these options to the menu, in a matter of seconds with very little thought, I can only imagine what the development team, who are experienced experts, could come up with, if they had as much of a burning passion for FFXIV as I do.

Hopefully this instills creativity, and passion, as that is the aim here. Not to say "oh my ideas are perfect, please use them."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I am just a lowly video game player, who "knows nothing about video game development" and I created these representations of ways to approach solutions on the fly with very little thought.

So if I can "come up" with ideas such as to add "Hard mode" and "Very Hard mode" and add these options to the menu, in a matter of seconds with very little thought, I can only imagine what the development team, who are experienced experts, could come up with, if they had as much of a burning passion for FFXIV as I do.

---

"I know nothing about what's actually involved in game dev, but I honestly believe my completely uneducated opinion on the difficulties of adding this things I threw at the wall with no ability to look at the underlying source code has any validity."

So instead of spending several unnecessary hours on pointlessly long fetch quests, you'd rather have cutscenes added to them to make them even longer?

Battle Leves were pointless as well, there are so many ways of gaining EXP for battle classes.
By not continuing them, you save more leve allowances for crafter/gatherer leves.

The point allocation idea would just result in materia getting nerfed.

Monk suggestion: Hang on, did you just delete Fists of Earth/Wind/Fire? "but they're still there as passives" yeah and GL is still there, as a passive.


I do agree about the lost skills though. More upgraded skills need to be made use of, so that low level play isn't completely boring.
Also I'd like it if some cross-class stuff could be used, but by base classes. Equipping the jobstone removes the ability to use cross-class skills. This would make base classes useful for some openworld/solo stuff.

Depends on the subject at hand.

We can perfectly do without Point Allotment and Battle Leves.
Cross class abilities felt only somewhat good for crafting classes due to reinforcing the idea that these classes were interconnected. It wasn't so with battle classes, where it was a "level a class you don't care about to progress with the class you do care about". The only thing I ever liked about cross class abilities was classes having access to Eye for an Eye and Phsyics, which were not mandatory, but much appreciated for low level content (specially for squishies like THM). Overall, we can also do without battle cross-class.
Unnecesary MSQ quests could perfectly be turned into Sidequests, if programming allows it.

As for lost actions, with SCH I miss about 5-6 skills from old and Selene. So that's a point I agree on.

Good ideas

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SnowVix

"I know nothing about what's actually involved in game dev, but I honestly believe my completely uneducated opinion on the difficulties of adding this things I threw at the wall with no ability to look at the underlying source code has any validity."

---

That’s literally what I just said.

Why did you repeat it with no additional information except to be insulting?

Oh. Wait. FFXIV forums. That’s what get people likes.

As for “not knowing about coding” the coding is already there. I almost never suggest something that isn’t, or wasn’t already in the game.

Nice try.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seraphor

So instead of spending several unnecessary hours on pointlessly long fetch quests, you'd rather have cutscenes added to them to make them even longer?

---

Did you read what I said? I said replace the quests with cutscenes.

I said they deleted them.

I also said it was a guideline. Enhancing the game instead of just deleting things.

Do you people SERIOUSLY enjoy it when things are deleted. Seriously. Respond on topic. It’s really really really not that hard.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seraphor

Battle Leves were pointless as well, there are so many ways of gaining EXP for battle classes.
By not continuing them, you save more leve allowances for crafter/gatherer leves.

---

So you’re saying side quests are not pointless? I literally gave an example. It’s around 150 side quests to go up one level.

Again. I repeat. Repeat. Repeat. They could do many things.

All the quests, systems, coding; everting thing, it’s all there. Instead they creat countless quests that are trivial at best and extremely unrewarding.

They are literally BLEEDING subs like crazy. They have 30 million players but struggle to keep 1 million subs, if that.

Can you please be productive in your responses?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seraphor

The point allocation idea would just result in materia getting nerfed.

---

No it wouldn’t.
You realize when they deleted it they just added the numbers into the default stats. That’s part of the reason all 2.0 content is absurdly trivial?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seraphor

Monk suggestion: Hang on, did you just delete Fists of Earth/Wind/Fire? "but they're still there as passives" yeah and GL is still there, as a passive.

---

No, I combined them into useful actions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seraphor

I do agree about the lost skills though. More upgraded skills need to be made use of, so that low level play isn't completely boring.
Also I'd like it if some cross-class stuff could be used, but by base classes. Equipping the jobstone removes the ability to use cross-class skills. This would make base classes useful for some openworld/solo stuff.

---

So you admit low level combat is completely boring.

Now the point of this thread was to give inspiration and creative ideas to SE.

Considering people aren’t supporting this means they like FFXIV being simple, basic, trivial, and mostly unrewarding. In so much so that they continue to lose millions of subscriptions per year, and shouldn’t enhance the game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Would it be possible if instead of deleting things, Square-Enix could enhance them?

---

It's possible, but without deleting things, it means there are more things to manage, and there is a certain point to where it becomes too much to manage properly.

Also, certain changes requires deletion due to the nature of the change.

In conclusion, deletion definitely has its place in the development of this game. It's not actually a good thing if they just enhance without deleting anything as it would actually hinder some enhancement.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

That’s literally what I just said.

Why did you repeat it with no additional information except to be insulting?

Oh. Wait. FFXIV forums. That’s what get people likes.

As for “not knowing about coding” the coding is already there. I almost never suggest something that isn’t, or wasn’t already in the game.

Nice try.

---

Let me pull up your post again.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Again, I would like to point out.

I am just a lowly video game player, who "knows nothing about video game development" and I created these representations of ways to approach solutions on the fly with very little thought.

So if I can "come up" with ideas such as to add "Hard mode" and "Very Hard mode" and add these options to the menu, in a matter of seconds with very little thought, I can only imagine what the development team, who are experienced experts, could come up with, if they had as much of a burning passion for FFXIV as I do.

Hopefully this instills creativity, and passion, as that is the aim here. Not to say "oh my ideas are perfect, please use them."

---

Particularly this section: "So if I can "come up" with ideas such as to add "Hard mode" and "Very Hard mode" and add these options to the menu, in a matter of seconds with very little thought, I can only imagine what the development team, who are experienced experts, could come up with, if they had as much of a burning passion for FFXIV as I do."

I'm not sure if you know this, but gloating you don't know anything about a subject and then going "so if it's easy for me it should be easy for them" as a conclusion, it just doubly shows you don't know what you're talking about and that we shouldn't take you seriously in the slightest. Sarcastically writing down "come up" and then claiming you love the game while implying the devs don't share that same passion, well... I'll let you think about whether or not it makes you look good in the slightest.

Was the other guy's post insulting? Yeah, I'll not deny that, but it's more or less putting into words what we're all thinking.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by linayar

It's possible, but without deleting things, it means there are more things to manage, and there is a certain point to where it becomes too much to manage properly.

Also, certain changes requires deletion due to the nature of the change.

In conclusion, deletion definitely has its place in the development of this game. It's not actually a good thing if they just enhance without deleting anything as it would actually hinder some enhancement.

---

I don’t disagree, but we’re at a point where there isn’t much of what makes this game a RPG left. They are bleeding subs while ignoring complaints that have been on going since 2.0

They have r fixed housing and haven’t fixed Praetorium.

Sure it’s going to take work, but passionate people don’t mind going work.

But again, we’re losing content at a rapid pace.

Additional dungeons, deep dungeons, portions of map dungeons (5 doors instead of 7), entire map dungeons (thief maps), things are getting homogenized (SCH/AST/WHM), content isn’t getting expanded (too long to list), new content is coming out unfinished (GNB/DNC, Hrothgar/Viera)

What’s replacing all of it?

“Explorer mode” and “Sticker mode.”

To me that’s fluff, not “content.”

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ammokkx

Let me pull up your post again.



Particularly this section: "So if I can "come up" with ideas such as to add "Hard mode" and "Very Hard mode" and add these options to the menu, in a matter of seconds with very little thought, I can only imagine what the development team, who are experienced experts, could come up with, if they had as much of a burning passion for FFXIV as I do."

I'm not sure if you know this, but gloating you don't know anything about a subject and then going "so if it's easy for me it should be easy for them" as a conclusion, it just doubly shows you don't know what you're talking about and that we shouldn't take you seriously in the slightest. Sarcastically writing down "come up" and then claiming you love the game while implying the devs don't share that same passion, well... I'll let you think about whether or not it makes you look good in the slightest.

Was the other guy's post insulting? Yeah, I'll not deny that, but it's more or less putting into words what we're all thinking.

---

I thought I made it especially clear I know exactly what I’m talking about.

I known this game extremely well.

Here are just more examples. I cannot list every single thing and explain their significance. I would like to assume people have basic common sense and can piece together what’s being said. But considering the conclusion you drew that I “don’t know what I’m talking about” and “shouldn’t be taken seriously” seems to imply no logical reasoning will begin to help.


The floating bottle of Pearl Lane.
Took like 1-2 years to fix.

The dancing shadow of Ishgard.
(Only happens at certain times of the day so I can’t say if it’s been fixed yet. It wasn’t fixed for at least 1-2 years if ever.)

Dragoon’s sprint animation.

Housing.

The Praetorium.

Again. Is this even helping? Do I still sound clueless?

Are there only “impossible answers Square-Enix can never fix these things”?

DRG’s sprint animation cant be fluid like Monks?

They can’t creat new battle leves or quests with varying difficulty even though that system literally already exists in both level sync’d quests and difficulty setting in battle leves?

This can’t be done?

Are you the only ones who are allowed to be sarcastic?

You all LITERALLY say “delete monk” and get taken seriously so SE goes and completely reworks monk but it’s “impossible” to make the game more engaging, impactful and rewarding, using systems that are already in place?

This “delete monk” talk is praised and accepted, but if I ask for an option to turn off the absolutely pointless black box pop-up text” I’m labeled a troll. lol

Come on.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I thought I made it especially clear I know exactly what I’m talking about.

I known this game extremely well.

---

I don't have to quote anything else to show my point.

People aren't going to care what you have to say if you're being arrogant and insufferable while you're saying it, no matter how right or wrong you are. Please be a bit more humble.

Yes I recognize that's ironic coming from someone who has this issue as well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SnowVix

"I know nothing about what's actually involved in game dev, but I honestly believe my completely uneducated opinion on the difficulties of adding this things I threw at the wall with no ability to look at the underlying source code has any validity."

---

Actually let me respond to this properly.

Your logic. Is really really bad. Like really bad. Horrible in fact.

How?

1. I purposefully said that "I dont know anything" because I knew this would be the argument.

2. Do you take your car to a mechanic to change a flat tire?

I am an individual whom is very well rounded. I dont need to know how to melt metals, run automotive machinery, or the air compression ratio's of a combustion engine to even do more involved work on a motor vehicle beyond changing a flat tire. Such as replacing a starter, alternator, fuses, or even changing and trouble shooting relays. Simply understanding a car, and doing more than driving it and putting gas into it, you will gain a basic understanding of the vehicles functions.

This applies to every thing in life. Computer problems, health issues, financing, everything within someone immediate control, and yes even video games. In fact, I almost never rely on any form of service person. I do all my mechanical work, home repairs, health improvements. I literally had chronic back pain, and within less than 1 year without seeing a doctor or getting medical advice, I was able to address the issue.

I have played other games. I have played version 1.0. I know exactly what Square-Enix is capable of doing and what they arent capable of doing. In fact, I've even been impressed at times. To say "Square-Enix cant do that" just because they havent done it, doesnt mean they cant. Especially, and I stress, especially if its already been done.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ammokkx

I don't have to quote anything else to show my point.

People aren't going to care what you have to say if you're being arrogant and insufferable while you're saying it, no matter how right or wrong you are. Please be a bit more humble.

Yes I recognize that's ironic coming from someone who has this issue as well.

---

So saying "delete monk" is respectable?

Also

Should I go get all my "respectful" threads and link them? Or are you just going to pretend what you say is true without backing it up.

People dont respond to tame threads. If there isnt a spark, there wont be flames.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

So saying "delete monk" is respectable?

---

I checked your thread on a whim and I don't know a lick about balance. I only recall seeing one other thread of yours, where you got similar responses to this one. That shows, to me, there's a pattern here.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Should I go get all my "respectful" threads and link them? Or are you just going to pretend what you say is true without backing it up.

---

What I have said is true for this thread, is it not? These quotes I quoted, are they or are they not from this very thread? Even now you seem more interested in starting a fight with me rather than having a discussion with anybody here. Speaking of...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

People dont respond to tame threads. If there isnt a spark, there wont be flames.

---

If you don't wish to be seen as a troll then, well... trolls do like their flames, don't they?

you have no way of knowing they are "bleeding" subs. that is your own guess.

as a mnk main pls delete mnk, free me from this purgatory.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SnowVix

"I know nothing about what's actually involved in game dev, but I honestly believe my completely uneducated opinion on the difficulties of adding this things I threw at the wall with no ability to look at the underlying source code has any validity."

---

So that means that almost no one here is allowed to voice opinion on this forum.

I for one am glad they got rid of cross class skills, having to train another class to use one to it's full potential was just stupid, you should be free to play whatever class you want and not have to play a class you don't want to.

The removal of TP

TP honestly served only one purpose, limiting AoE on the physical classes. Weaponskill combos generally ate TP equal to the regen, and thus were effectively free.
Really the same purpose it served would be done by adding a MP cost to AoE skills.


Cross-class skills
The Role actions are kind of a reworked version of that idea. It's not quite the same and certain combinations did go away but they didn't just remove the system... Also, certain cross-class skills were more required than others, so you only had so much to work with when it came to customization...


Greased Lightning
The biggest problem with Greased Lightning was that it was an unavoidable loss of DPS as you had to build up the stacks at the start of a fight, and if you at any point during a fight had controls disabled by them fancy mid fight scenes or something you lose the GL and had to rebuild it lowering your DPS simply because you're playing MNK.
The best you can do to minimize this is Perfect Balance to throw out 4 Snap Punches...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cetek14

So that means that almost no one here is allowed to voice opinion on this forum.

---

no, people can voice opinions until they say absurd crap like "i, who have never coded in my life, am saying that this coding issue is easy that the devs are lazy for not doing it", which is what op said. opinions are fine. pulling things out of where the sun doesn't shine isn't.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I don’t disagree, but we’re at a point where there isn’t much of what makes this game a RPG left.

---

If that's your way of saying you disagree with many of the QoL changes, then I'll just say those are not what makes this game an RPG to me and I'm glad for the ongoing QoL improvements.

Quote:

---

They are bleeding subs while ignoring complaints that have been on going since 2.0

---

I'm not sure how you would even know that, and as for outstanding complaints, I'm sure there are reasons for it, though not all complaints can realistically be resolved regardless.

Quote:

---

They have r fixed housing and haven’t fixed Praetorium.

Sure it’s going to take work, but passionate people don’t mind going work.

But again, we’re losing content at a rapid pace.

Additional dungeons, deep dungeons, portions of map dungeons (5 doors instead of 7), entire map dungeons (thief maps), things are getting homogenized (SCH/AST/WHM), content isn’t getting expanded (too long to list), new content is coming out unfinished (GNB/DNC, Hrothgar/Viera)

What’s replacing all of it?

“Explorer mode” and “Sticker mode.”

To me that’s fluff, not “content.”

---

The thing is, your various complaints here seems to be mostly subjective. Races, at the very least, are no less fluff than "sticker mode," and I don't see how the new jobs could be considered unfinished content (or the new races for that matter). Even saying we're losing content is misleading as contents are added gradually, and side contents could change.

These are solid suggestions thanks for the input! I prefer them integrating removed properties into other abilities, i haven't been enjoying the constant dumbing down of jobs. some jobs lost their identities completely already.
I am familiar with the challenges of implementing these things but the amount of skill juggling they've done could of been compressed in a more efficient way at least for some changes felt like they were to trapped in their own heads to see the big picture. Hoping the next expansion focuses more on improving instead of taking away.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SnowVix

no, people can voice opinions until they say absurd crap like "i, who have never coded in my life, am saying that this coding issue is easy that the devs are lazy for not doing it", which is what op said. opinions are fine. pulling things out of where the sun doesn't shine isn't.

---

Idk where this started in this thread but lets agree to stop all ad hominem here.
some of the replies seem to coming to gas-light level content, lets be mature here and move on.

Re: Battle leves

Personally I'm fine they're no longer in use, but I do like the idea of increasing the xp given for pre-50 to level 2nd-3rd etc jobs quicker. Alternatively, doing leves at level cap to get tomestones would be nice. Basically just an alternative way to play. My wife hates doing dungeons but wants to level and basically does so exclusively via Trust/Squadrons now...would be nice to give her something she can do for a short big here or there as an alternative that is worth the time.

The problem with a lot of the other removals is there really just isn't enough variety in gameplay to merit a lot of extra bells and whistles like point allotment. Other MMOs have more variety in open world content which demands some variety in builds such as stealth or certain skill/ability combos to take on notorious monsters etc. It needs a lot of things on the backend before these kinds of options are even useful. Moreover, since every character has access to every job, there really isn't a need for builds. If you wanna be tanky, play a tank..essentially. No need to spec a WHM to tank.

RIP Grenado Shot. You will be missed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

Additional dungeons, deep dungeons, portions of map dungeons (5 doors instead of 7), entire map dungeons (thief maps), things are getting homogenized (SCH/AST/WHM), content isn’t getting expanded (too long to list), new content is coming out unfinished (GNB/DNC, Hrothgar/Viera)

What’s replacing all of it?

“Explorer mode” and “Sticker mode.”

To me that’s fluff, not “content.”

---

I mean, he does have a point. I'd like to see more RPG in this MMO, too. Stats are boring, gear is boring (bar the appearance) and jobs become more and more boring because of the DPS or bust mindset.

But we also got Ocean Fishing and Bozja which I'll gladly take over a 2nd dungeon since they are way too formulaic at this point.

In the end I can see some slight improvements but I'm not holding my breath either.

I am just going to recap this thread, based on how others post and how I see it.

Quote:

---

Daniolaut:
I dont like when things are deleted.

I strongly believe in Square-Enix, and have an understanding of what they are capable of.

I wish to see them more passionate about making the game better in every aspect.

(Likes: 1)

---

Quote:

---

Others:
I like it when things are deleted. Delete Monk

The dev's arent capable of many things, you shouldnt assume they can accomplish things.

You cannot discuss video games if you're not a video game developer, its literally like Brain Surgery. You absolutely must be certified.

You're a bad man, you shouldnt be allowed to talk on the forums troll troll.

(Likes: over 9,000)

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I am just going to recap this thread, based on how others post and how I see it.

---

what did I say about being humble?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Daniolaut

I am just going to recap this thread, based on how others post and how I see it.

---

This is called a strawman fallacy.

As a melee player, they made the game better by removing TP, it served no purpose other than limiting AoE.

Your suggestion for TP really reminds me of Job Gauges (you manage a gauge that give access to stronger skills)

Okay, you know what, I'll give this one the benefit of the doubt. If this isn't a troll thread and you're being genuine here then I'll hope you respond to me in good faith knowing that I'm being good faith myself. That said, I very fundamentally disagree for a few reasons.

Firstly, you're coming in with the mentality that deletion is effectively always a bad thing whereas addition or expansion is a positive, which makes sense but is very much untrue in game development. Bloat is a real thing and it's quite often better to cull unnecessary features than let them balloon out of control. Everything in game development takes time and, particularly in a connected MMO like this, features can often sit in the way of other features. Take TP, for example, which mostly existed to act as a form of MP for melee AOE - that doesn't work with the ShB idea that every class should have some form of AOE they can always use. They could have reworked TP, perhaps, but it would have become something completely different and so since its original function was no longer necessary it made more sense to remove it.

Secondly, game dev just takes time, and FFXIV in particular is on a very tight, easy to predict schedule. Going back to my first point, every decision in this game regarding content has to be weighed against what they HAVE to do and what they WANT to do. Sure, they could sit down and give each class unique and engaging traits outside of combat, but that's far less important than ensuring every class is balanced and usable in combat because that's the bulk of the content for most players, and the place where balance matters most. Given that they're now focusing on Eureka like areas, expanding the quality of the story in terms of animations and fleshing out the gameplay for crafters and gatherers significantly, something else probably had to give. Whether or not they have the right priorities is... very much up for debate, but it's a tradeoff that has to happen, particularly given we get patches relatively often, all things considered.

You've kind of brushed it off but the reality is that you are ignoring the realities of game development here, which is a pretty bad idea considering they're kind of the only thing that matters. I'm sure the team would love to make more experimental and wild content and keep all those odd ideas they have but... that's not what sells and it's not what their shareholders are going to want. They've got to balance making a functioning, widely appealing MMO with their content schedule and when it comes to that things are going to get deleted.

I actually agree on including lv60+ levequests for DoW/DoM. It's not like designing a dungeon or a boss with complex mechanics. Even if grinding duties is the fastest way to level I get tired of that and would really like the option to do levequests if I feel like it.
Besides I actually enjoyed doing leve parties. One thing I liked about 1.X was levequest 3+ stars difficulty options actually making a difference. I'll always support any addition that adds more to do in the open world instead of instances.

On a side note I wish it was possible to "freeze" a leve when the duty popped. But that's probably way more complicated to change.

They are just making the game more attractive to the lower common player base.
Also If you notice they are slowly removing anything that can be affected by long pings.

I could see Warrior getting 5 Stacks vs time.


Edit
Wait Let bring back the netcode from 1.0!!!
Sorry, change is good. I don't want to have to go to school to have fun in a game.
If they keep adding and adding it gets overwhelming, With a mmo mouse there are already too many things to keep track of at times.

My hubby isn't as good as I am because he forgets about the more then 12 actions he has really available to him regardless if they are on the bar or not.

The paring down of utility class skills and unique class elements that underperform on dps meters arise as a natural consequence of a game running long enough when the objective of the game is to perform well on a spreadsheet against an enrage timer. When a game runs long enough that it needs to balance introduction of new skills against the number of skills players already have, skill cuts are more likely going to line up with the ways people already play a class rather than reinventing the wheel.

I think this game is better than most MMOs at encouraging players to play the game for the game's sake rather than because they just need to get their weekly prize from the RNG-box but I think there's fundamental aspects of the gameplay model - role triangle, level cap being the introduction to the game loop, even aggro table/enrage timer based encounter design arguably - that complicate things and push towards a game where there's fundamentally about 3 good classes and a bunch of classes that do the same thing but worse. Content like eureka (pyros and hydatos), bozja, blue mage to some degree, even ishgard restoration help give the game more to do than selecting flavor of skill rotation to do the same numbers against the same bosses, but I kind of think we're at the point where if we would want classes to really feel different from one another, we'd need different types of content, and different ways to engage with that content, first.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kewitt

They are just making the game more attractive to the lower common player base.

---

I would say if they're priorizing removal of skills that don't show up in dps simulations on the game's hardest bosses, it's not for the sake of average or casual players that they cut skills.

Nobody said you couldn't ask for things or wish for things, it's when you talk like you're a dev and think adding these things would be as easy as asking for them. As someone who studied in game design and animation you couldn't be more wrong. That is what people were going against. Just because you thought of it doesn't mean it's easy to put into practice. Shit, I can think of a movie that's animated like the best with such motion it rivals real life with no mistakes. But WHO BOOOY try animating THAT oh... and I mean 2D animation at that. Yeah, good luck with that.

Point being it's your tone that people in this thread people have a problem with. ( and all your other threads for that matter...)