do crafting mentors know what they're talking about

half the time when i see a crafting mentor i just ignore what they say as they don't seem to know what they're talking about compared to the combat mentors or full crown mentors. the crafting mentor just seems like a way for people to join novice network by grinding ishgard for a day (which also gives you enough collectables while you level). feels kinda cheating to me compared to the insane grind you need for combat mentor.

maybe they should just make a global chat already so people don't need to pretend to be a crafting mentor. anyone else roll their eyes when they see a crafting mentor talk? I saw one yesterday saying that Hrothgars are cute and I almost vomited.

Hey man, you're only supposed to start troll threads. Don't go bringing up valid points now, it's not fair.

Crafting mentors don't even know crafting half the time. They just copy a macro from The Balance or something and just run it.

Getting mentor status in this game is just a time investment. It doesn't actually require knowledge about anything... >.>

Most crafting mentors are just old crowns who don’t have enough commends to get the crown back after square made changes to it (upped number needed) so they all got demoted from crown to trade crown. They keep it on because any crown is better than none. Not because they’re amazing crafters and willing to offer advice and help. Most if you ask about crafting or gathering won’t know the first thing about the doh/l job

Also if this is a titan man troll thread I’m afraid on this instance you’ll probably find most agree with you. Big f my friend

For once, he's right.
But I'll extend this to battle-only mentors.

The ones with the big burger king crown who have both are the ones to listen to.

Erm. I became a crafting mentor to get into NN yeah, but I did it because I wanted to help others. I don't know EVERYTHING about crafting no, but I've researched it, practiced it and I'd like to think I could help with questions at least.

Working on getting the commends for battle mentor. But I only started this game August 2nd, so that's a WIP.

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

He does it every once in a while where its something valid, then it's back to the usual trash he spews. I wish he'd stay doing real discussion instead of, "cEn Wi GiT CaRdI b tO cOlLaB wItH SoKEn", since it's clear the moderation team doesn't want to intervene. He'd probably be liked, but teehee, better bump ancient threads and post spam nonstop instead.

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bih u trashtalking our queen cardi b don't diss the 21st century beethoven just bc u dont understand real art... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

So, trying to take this thread semi-seriously...

Honestly, I think it’s worth having real crafting mentors, since the crafting/gathering system can be a bit overwhelming for people... but crafting mentors, ideally, should help with crafting. When wearing the crafting mentor icon, I helped gear up sprouts (crafting stuff for undergeared people in ARR, where getting accessories as you level is a complete pain), I helped some folks leveling crafters learn how to figure out their own ideal rotations (because just copying a macro isn’t the best way to learn how the system works, and means you won’t be able to come up with the right macro if your stats differ from the ‘ideal’), helped folks learn efficient ways to gather materials for crafting projects, etc. That sort of stuff? Absolutely worth having crafting mentors for.

But honestly, I think the mentor system as a whole is broken; the metrics used to earn mentor status aren’t really relevant to being a good mentor, in either capacity. Just earning 1500 commendations is relatively easy, just time-consuming, and you could do that entirely as a healer, or a tank, and have no idea how to play any other job besides your own. And earning the crafting mentor crown is similarly easy.

I wish that the commendation system let you comm people after they left, for about five minutes after the end of the dungeon or something. And let you pick a reason (“Patient teacher”, “Excellent Tank/Healer/DPS”, “Funny”, whatever) from about four or five options. Then people would need commendations that were actually relevant to mentoring folks. And when you had enough commendations, you could take a test—like a solo raid boss fight tailored to your role—and upon completing that, then you’d be certified as a battle mentor for that job.

And I wish the crafting system had something akin to expert crafting, a randomized crafting thing where you needed to actually know how the crafting system worked in order to complete the crafting task. And a similar challenging gathering task. Once you had done those, you could be certified as a crafting mentor.

(But I admit adding the infrastructure for such a thing—much less keeping the solo trials for each job balanced as jobs were tweaked—would probably be a fair amount of work, and something like that is almost certainly not going to happen.)

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

And I wish the crafting system had something akin to expert crafting, a randomized crafting thing where you needed to actually know how the crafting system worked in order to complete the crafting task.

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Have you done expert Ishgard Restoration crafting?
Because that's what that is. Mostly.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

For once, he's right.
But I'll extend this to battle-only mentors.

The ones with the big burger king crown who have both are the ones to listen to.

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not even then.
I've got both but lord above if a new crafter asked me for input i'd say "idk. I don't even craft right, i max quality before progress. IDK how folks do it."

I'd say the "real" mentors are the ones who'll say "I don't know but I can ask around and see if anyone i know can help." You don't even need the crown for that.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Have you done expert Ishgard Restoration crafting?
Because that's what that is. Mostly.

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Yeah, that's why I said "something akin to expert crafting"; I meant it in terms of the Ishgardian high-tier "expect crafts", not just in abstract. (I recognize the term's a little generic, alas, so that was probably not clear.)

However, it is actually possible to macro the expert crafts for the Restoration, believe it or not; you won't get to the top tier consistently, but you'll get enough to be able to turn them in. So I think anything for an actual crafting mentor "trial" or certification test would need to actually be a bit harder/more randomized, so that it couldn't just be boiled down and macroed in a consistently-workable manner.

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Originally Posted by SeanCody

half the time when i see a crafting mentor i just ignore what they say as they don't seem to know what they're talking about compared to the combat mentors or full crown mentors. the crafting mentor just seems like a way for people to join novice network by grinding ishgard for a day (which also gives you enough collectables while you level). feels kinda cheating to me compared to the insane grind you need for combat mentor.

maybe they should just make a global chat already so people don't need to pretend to be a crafting mentor. anyone else roll their eyes when they see a crafting mentor talk? I saw one yesterday saying that Hrothgars are cute and I almost vomited.

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Some crafting mentors know what they are talking about, some don't. Just like with combat mentors.
Becoming a mentor only means you spent a lot of time in the game, not that you know anything.
Rolling of eyes I reseve for trolls.

When the Troll post is right lol, reminds me of my brother who did all his Crafters 1>20 pressing only standard synthesis and 20 > 80 with Ishgard and craft macros i calculated for him. Tell you what hes a Mentor lol ... well he qualifies. Theres no quality check on Crafter boys, you can prolly push the entire thing from unlocking to Mentor in a week.

Meanwhile in NN they pretend "mentor is mentor" so they can answer everything they want, often giving half answers or straight wrong ones, if you correct them ... more often then not i hear "well im just a trade mentor" so yea ... how about we get 2 channels one for crafters one for pve. 70+% of NN is full of crafter Mentors while maybe 10% of questions relate to Crafting.

Kinda difficult to teach people proper ways to craft when up until level 66 it’s all hasty touch unless you have enough spare cp to sub them out for basic touches, and then it’s manipulation and prudent touch until 72, then it’s preparatory touch your way to victory. Crafting doesn’t get “engaging” until max level crafts when there are multiple ways one can execute a craft, though some more optimal than others.

I wear my crafter crown, I help newer crafters get gear, figure out basic rotations, introduce them to helpful tools like teamcraft and garland tools, the main issue is the only source of decent IQ stack building is via hasty touch at low levels, and it has a 50% success rate (60% with a trait, I forget if it’s 60% by default now) with no way to mitigate that anymore since steady hand is gone. Low level crafting is just pain even if you’re stacking cp since it’s 18 cp just to guarantee a touch hits.

I mean.. Crafting isn't really a that complicated that you can't google the answer is you need. Im not sure why you need help from and mentor tbh..Quick alt tab and Google. Combat mentors don't necessarily know raids and even if they do the video guide would be way more informed. Anytime I had a crafting question google was able to resolve it.

Rotation is gear and a macro so not really sure what the questions would be... Also the skills have tool tips you can figure out how to click the buttons just playing around if you don't wanna macro it for whatever reason. Otherwise you macro the best macro you skill allows and trade in or buy or craft your gear to craft with. Pretty self explanatory.

I actually agree OP. Somehow im a pvp mentor and i couldnt win a fight one on one in pvp to save my life. I also dont even do it, since SB when they decoupled completely from the pve rotation....but there it is....pvp mentor. Could probably use some tweaking on what qualifies for what tbh.