Oh ok, you want to do the 5.45 Savage Bozja instance? Get ready for party finder to demand a full upgraded Bozjan set which either takes 130+ runs to farm or if you're lucky 100 runs because we all know there's no way you'll get the drop before you farmed 100 runs anyways. So that means whales are just going to buy the items from the market board and dump 100M gil just to get invited to parties to do the 5.45 instance. Most people don't have 100M gil to dump just to do one hecking instance. So how do they get the gil? You tell me. Maybe next time don't make it an insane grind or make it market prohibited so you can't just buy the upgrade.
This game is becoming P2W
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10-29-2020, 11:31 AMRTX3080This game is becoming P2W
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10-29-2020, 11:36 AMznushuI know this is prob a troll thread but i'm actually for this idea. I don't think that the bozja secrets should be market tradeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by RTX3080
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10-29-2020, 01:35 PMMaraD_
Instead of making it market prohibited, why not make the market boards prohibited from players interacting with them? This is the only way to stop this Gacha system! (I'm assuming thats your next issue to bring up!)
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10-29-2020, 01:41 PMBsrking5What do you mean Prob a troll? Hes the forum troll. Of course its a troll. Nothing about it is in good intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by znushu
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10-29-2020, 02:25 PMMPK
I agree this is one of the reason why Bozja is a complete failure. This game is becoming another k-mmo grindfest.
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10-29-2020, 03:17 PMCurisu
We get player through BA without having the kirin chestpeace, 7 magicites or every high end logogramm build.
We will get people through bozjas savage without them having the best possible starter gear.
Please just get lost and stop spam the forum. -
10-29-2020, 03:37 PMPentheaI take it you haven't been to Pagos.Quote:
Originally Posted by MPK
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10-29-2020, 04:20 PMBsrking5No, he liked pagos and anemos. He disliked pryos and hydatos since it went away from just being forced afk community boredom chatter. Thats why he dislikes bozja.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
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10-29-2020, 04:56 PMHysterior
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10-29-2020, 04:59 PMZanarkand-Ronso
What on earth are you even talking about? 5.45 Savage Bozja instance? Did I miss something?
And why would we need to drop 100mill on upgrading the gear? You know that gear is going to be irrelevant after a while right?
Dropping that much Gil sounds as ludicrous as this thread. -
10-29-2020, 06:50 PMRandom0
Replying because I'm bored - but Augmented Bozjan only adds Haste (skill/spellspeed by ~0.02 per point of haste, woo) on top of the normal Bozjan gear. The augmenting doesn't change any of the existing stats and doesn't affect the iLvl of 495, so it's ALREADY outclassed by existing Edenchoir and Augmented Crystarium kit that we've been able to get for months.
Bozja gear is for catching up, stat optimization for minmaxers, gearing alt jobs, or glams. -
10-29-2020, 10:42 PMImragarnLast live letter they talk about the next bozja step and say it will have the normal story instance and a savage one for 24 people. So some people think that we WILL need the augmented bozja stuff for the savage oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso
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10-29-2020, 10:54 PMKes13a
if by p2w you mean PLAY to win, then yes... it is that.
what a shocking concept. you may have to get off the forums and actually play to get anywhere instead of trolling
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10-29-2020, 11:04 PMChasingstars
So +7 Haste (aka 0.14 skillspeed/spellspeed reduction) from a set is gonna be the difference that makes or break people in 5.4? Seems silly to be honest.
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10-29-2020, 11:06 PMpastperfect
Since BA was organized I have not seen anyone turn a player away because they weren't decked out. Also, if you are able to perform mechanics then you don't need to be decked out because there are actions you can get to help you be safe in the instance.
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10-30-2020, 07:05 AMZanarkand-RonsoOk, so I missed that there is a Savage if its true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imragarn
But I think its silly to sit here and say we are gonna "Need" to augment the gear and that it will turn into Pay to Win. -
06-16-2021, 03:23 PMTroySoFab
I pay for my sub, and win every time I play. Does that count as p2w?
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06-16-2021, 04:27 PMSotaris
Yes it does my nercro friend.
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06-16-2021, 04:30 PMDzianIt's actually nice that they are. Along with some of the other bozjan stuff. It actually makes coins and stuff useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by znushu
Plus it actually helps the economy more than harming it because it allows the gil or wealth to circulate..
If it wasn't for that stuff I'd be sitting on so many bozjan coins I can't do anything with so it's nice to have something to use them on and make a bitnof money. -
06-16-2021, 10:17 PMLianaThorne
I'm 99.9% sure this is a troll thread so I'll keep it semi-short.
- Only the hardcore reclear groups care about what Boz set you have. There are other groups that exist that take people who don't have it. Literally have friends who do it with a casual group and still get their clears.
-Being able to do savage does not equal the game being pay to win. As I said above, there are groups that exist that take people without it and you also don't need to do savage in general as it's not a requirement for main story content. True pay to win is items costing real cash that you physically need to progress further at all in a game. If any of you have played games like Guns of Glory, you'll know exactly what I mean. 14 gives you the opportunity to grind for pretty much everything (outside of certain mogstation cosmetics, which yes I am aware there are a couple item sets that give you an xp boost. However, the game gives you the opportunity to earn the Bozjan Earring through an achievement which gives you a pretty beneficial xp boost as well up to level 80 (which is ironically higher than the mogstation sets, I believe they cap at 30). So, I would also not consider them true p2w features either since an alternative is available to earn in game.
The true complaint, if any here, should be the length of the grind needed to achieve things. I'm all for grind pain but at the same time, I think we can all admit in some way that certain grinds in this game could be trimmed down (for example, Southern Front could be fixed up a little bit to have equal drop rates like Zadnor for relic items). But, I really don't agree with the p2w mindset here outside of people paying for runs (which I don't agree with and personally don't really take run buyers for any sort of reliable source of battle information xD). -
06-16-2021, 10:30 PMPuremallaceNecro'n a 9 month old thread to give a snappy come back is peak internet meme culture lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TroySoFab
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06-16-2021, 11:14 PMDzianIn recent years the definition of Pay to Win has vastly changed. Now it's basically anything you can buy that gives you a gameplay advantage over other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by LianaThorne
This was done because developers would often put things in a game they wanted you to pay for behind a massive grind and then proclaim it's not pay to win because you "can" obtain it via gameplay. Examples would be like hey here's the fastest car in a racing game. Only $50 or win 50,000 races...
Or they'd deliberately drag out and extend a massive grind specifically so they could sell you time savers or battle boosters where you can earn triple xp for 24 hours and level up much faster.
There's other examples but basically anything that gives you a gameplay advantage is considered pay to win.
So FFXIV does actually have pay to win elements. The companion app, additional retainers, and job skips. All provide you with an advantage over other players. Thankfully they're pretty small for the most part but do fall under the banner of pay to win. -
06-17-2021, 12:28 AMMissbone
Does the OP even know the meaning of Pay to Win?