Controllers suck

I read that people with PS4 controllers are perfectly capable of playing at the highest difficulty of endgame. This is misleading: you can complete the content, but you won't play at your best. You won't be able to make sick plays, such as a last minute Rescue. The only positive thing here is that the GCD is slow enough for controller not to be completely impossible.

https://i.imgur.com/gxS1ho7.jpg

And the source cited is...?

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Originally Posted by t0rn

I read that people with PS4 controllers are perfectly capable of playing at the highest difficulty of endgame. This is misleading: you can complete the content, but you won't play at your best. You won't be able to make sick plays, such as a last minute Rescue. The only positive thing here is that the GCD is slow enough for controller not to be completely impossible.

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That's nice.

Thought you quit.

Cool story

There is clear evidence to the contrary with people clearing the hardest content using said controller and being perfectly capable of doing clutch plays with it...so I guess what I'm trying to say is, just because you can't it doesn't mean that nobody can do it.

PC elitists are classist jerks. Change my mind.

So when are you gonna quit? Or are you trying to out troll titanmen?

This is getting old.
If you want to troll or become a pain in the ass, at least come up with interesting topic.
Even a fellow troll is unable to accept this low level troll thread.

I play controller and I suck, I suck a lot, it is how I improve because when your already down so low you can only make it go up.

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Originally Posted by t0rn

I read that people with PS4 controllers are perfectly capable of playing at the highest difficulty of endgame. This is misleading: you can complete the content, but you won't play at your best. You won't be able to make sick plays, such as a last minute Rescue. The only positive thing here is that the GCD is slow enough for controller not to be completely impossible.

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Ps5 controllers will solve the issue

I hate controllers for games like this but some people make it work. More power to 'em.

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Originally Posted by KayRadley

PC elitists are classist jerks. Change my mind.

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This isn't really a PC vs Console thing.

I play controller i hate KBM for most things

Feels like OP just don't play well with controller.

For some people controllers are a god send. Video is old but some people love this game enough they will over come far harder challenges then High end gameplay to play it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogCRNvghbiw

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Originally Posted by t0rn

I read that people with PS4 controllers are perfectly capable of playing at the highest difficulty of endgame. This is misleading: you can complete the content, but you won't play at your best. You won't be able to make sick plays, such as a last minute Rescue. The only positive thing here is that the GCD is slow enough for controller not to be completely impossible.

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My fflogs say otherwise.

I dont understand this at all. Like even have PC copy of the game and prefer to play with controller when i did play on PC. The only thing i see kb/m players being superior in is typing while their character is moving.

I play on controller and have only one issue. L2 assignments constrict movement because I have to take my thumb off of the analog stick used to move my character to use the skill I place there. A non-issue for jobs like BLM. Pretty big issue for jobs like MNK. If you were to make statements like this along with saying controllers suck, I think peeps might be less likely to throw pitchforks at you. The current solution to this is to be mindful which skills you assign to L2.

Due to that, there is no doubt that players on controller are at a disadvantage, so what does that say about the controller players who are not only clearing but performing well in high-end content? Want to know something else funny about some controller players? Many still use a KB for chat, and have done so even during combat while maintaining good uptime. How the hell are they doing that? Maybe they can type with their feet! xD

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

For some people controllers are a god send. Video is old but some people love this game enough they will over come far harder challenges then High end gameplay to play it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogCRNvghbiw

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Had to edit my post after checking your link. I was partially jesting, but this is amazing. It reminded me of when I lost a friendly tournament at a billiards playing Mortal Kombat to this guy with one arm. I was pretty good at those fighting games too, and that guy owned me without using cheese tactics. Hatsoff amigo!

Ooh so interesting. But I heard that you can't play with controller so you think everyone else also sucks like you. But you know... actually there are people who can play better with a controller.

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Originally Posted by t0rn

I read that people with PS4 controllers are perfectly capable of playing at the highest difficulty of endgame. This is misleading: you can complete the content, but you won't play at your best. You won't be able to make sick plays, such as a last minute Rescue. The only positive thing here is that the GCD is slow enough for controller not to be completely impossible.

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I always find it funny how people think the GCD must be so slow because of controller players, when the controller is the home of fast paced button mashing games...

Hi, PC player and controller user here. The controller has a learning curve but is actually very well designed and ergonomic and responsive. Plus you can expand your usefulness on the controller with the customisation options available. I use Extended Crossbars, which doubles the number of skills I have available without changing crossbars.

I much, much, much prefer it to keyboard and mouse. I can be very quick and responsive with a controller.

This is coming from a healer main who makes last minute rescues.

i use a ds4 on pc and I am happy with it.

Controllers take a different skill set but you are perfectly cabable of doing all the hardest content. I am doing my first Ultimate (TEA) on controller and having no issues and have cleared all savages since Alexander using a controller.
In some situatiations it is an advantage and in some situations it is a disadvantage. Its about adjusting your play style and how you manage mechanics and rotations.

I know a few players with pink percentiles on ultimates that are controller users TC, so no.

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Originally Posted by t0rn

The only positive thing here is that the GCD is slow enough for controller not to be completely impossible.

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What does the speed of the GCD have to do with controller players, exactly?

I've been playing with controller on both PC and PS3/4 since launch, and I've never seen anyone else suggest that playing with a controller is somehow slower than kb+m.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

What does the speed of the GCD have to do with controller players, exactly?

I've been playing with controller on both PC and PS3/4 since launch, and I've never seen anyone else suggest that playing with a controller is somehow slower than kb+m.

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It's not. With Expanded Xhotbars you have 32 skills available to press as quickly as anything. It's all down to your own muscle memory.
In some ways it's quicker than kb&m, what's slower is targeting other players, especially outside of the party.

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Originally Posted by t0rn

I read that people with PS4 controllers are perfectly capable of playing at the highest difficulty of endgame. This is misleading: you can complete the content, but you won't play at your best. You won't be able to make sick plays, such as a last minute Rescue. The only positive thing here is that the GCD is slow enough for controller not to be completely impossible.

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You do realize that if you hate controller that much that you can literally plug a Keyboard and Mouse into your PlayStation right? You can even use a Bluetooth K&B or even a wireless K&B. The particular wireless K&B combo I have are both Logitech and use the same USB dongle. I've had them for a while but they work fine. They even have K&B combos on sale for relatively cheap. Logitech even had some available recently for around $30. The one problem you might have with the USB dongle is that you MIGHT need to plug it into a PC first and go through the setup process so that you can pair both the Keyboard and Mouse to it. So if you don't have a PC ask someone who does so that you can sync them to the dongle. Since I've synced mine to their dongle I haven't had to sync them since. Mice on PS4 can only utilize the Right and Left Mouse buttons and the Scrolling wheel. Middle click and for mice that have them, any buttons located on the sides, like the ones one MMO mice or mice with forward and backward buttons, can only use the default R/L and Scroll wheel. It's pretty basic but if you hate the controller that much then there ya go. If there's no way for you to use a PC to sync the peripherals to the dongle then I'd suggest getting a Bluetooth K&B. Maybe the dongle doesn't need syncing right out of the box when you buy them in a combo pack? Who knows? I just happened to have them handy from using them on my old PC. I tend to play on my new PC more than PS4 but there are days when I just want to relax and not be sitting at my desk all day in a chair and I'll play on PS4.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I play on controller and have only one issue. L2 assignments constrict movement because I have to take my thumb off of the analog stick used to move my character to use the skill I place there. A non-issue for jobs like BLM. Pretty big issue for jobs like MNK. If you were to make statements like this along with saying controllers suck, I think peeps might be less likely to throw pitchforks at you. The current solution to this is to be mindful which skills you assign to L2.

Due to that, there is no doubt that players on controller are at a disadvantage, so what does that say about the controller players who are not only clearing but performing well in high-end content? Want to know something else funny about some controller players? Many still use a KB for chat, and have done so even during combat while maintaining good uptime. How the hell are they doing that? Maybe they can type with their feet! xD


Had to edit my post after checking your link. I was partially jesting, but this is amazing. It reminded me of when I lost a friendly tournament at a billiards playing Mortal Kombat to this guy with one arm. I was pretty good at those fighting games too, and that guy owned me without using cheese tactics. Hatsoff amigo!

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Use an Xbox controller. Dpad is better placed for right hand use while moving with the left hand

A huge swatch of the player base plays on console, and this will continue. And we all do pretty well thanks.

Guys she/he is a troll.

You know the sentence: Don't feed the troll ;)

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Originally Posted by Wyakin

Use an Xbox controller. Dpad is better placed for right hand use while moving with the left hand

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This sadly won't really solve the issue, you'll still need to think how to place your skills comfortably for such things as uptimes, just in another way (I played both with Xbox and Dualshock controllers).

but the vibrations though... they got me like... oulala...

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

I dont understand this at all. Like even have PC copy of the game and prefer to play with controller when i did play on PC. The only thing i see kb/m players being superior in is typing while their character is moving.

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Dunno... My friend usually can't type while moving and attacking with kb+m. I mean you either type in chat or use skills and stuff. With controller you can do both at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Shahi

Dunno... My friend usually can't type while moving and attacking with kb+m. I mean you either type in chat or use skills and stuff. With controller you can do both at the same time.

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Not really seeing how you could do both at the same time with a controller either tbh, unless you gimp yourself to type with one hand and play with the other...or can type with your feet.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Not really seeing how you could do both at the same time with a controller either tbh, unless you gimp yourself to type with one hand and play with the other...or can type with your feet.

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Move with (the thumb of) one hand, type with the other

Not recommended and a bit cumbersome but possible. If it's something short, there's also autorun.

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Originally Posted by Shahi

Dunno... My friend usually can't type while moving and attacking with kb+m. I mean you either type in chat or use skills and stuff. With controller you can do both at the same time.

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I mean... I can do both at the same time, but it's not the most comfortable process and I wouldn't recommend this in high end content unless it's absolutely necessary.