How to Fix Housing while keeping Neighborhoods

Housing Lottery

• Totally remove placard purchasing/transfers
• Weekly lottery in each district
• Medium and Large restricted to FCs
• Small open to all who meet requirements (GC Rank/MSQ)
• One per account
• Increase plot costs

This is the fairest way I can think of for making housing available to all, and shouldn't be too much trouble to implement. No more click grinding or bots. Plot costs should probably be increased to a very large amount gil like it was at 2.0 launch. Let me know what you guys think as I'm fairly new to looking for housing.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by crumbler81

Housing Lottery

• Totally remove placard purchasing/transfers
• Weekly lottery in each district
• Medium and Large restricted to FCs
• Small open to all who meet requirements (GC Rank/MSQ)
• One per account
• Increase plot costs

This is the fairest way I can think of for making housing available to all, and shouldn't be too much trouble to implement. No more click grinding or bots. Plot costs should probably be increased to a very large amount gil like it was at 2.0 launch. Let me know what you guys think as I'm fairly new to looking for housing.

Thanks!

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Totally remove placard purchasing/transfers - 100% agree. The hours of clicking is ridiculous. I think when a house becomes available a 24hr timer should start. You could click the placard (as long as you have sufficient gil) and agree to buy. Anyone can do this within the 24 hr period. At the end of the 24 hrs, the house is randomly assigned to one of the players that agreed to purchase. This would solve the clicking all day problem.

Weekly lottery in each district - Not sure what this is?

Medium and Large restricted to FCs - I think larges should definitely be restricted to fc's only. Mediums and smalls should be accessible to both individuals and fc's. IMO

One per account - Yes, yes, and hell yes

Increase plot costs - Yes

Good ideas! Definitely something that needs to be brainstormed here on the forums and at Square.

Get rid of FC housing. All the house flippers abuse the FC house system by making shell FCs. Give the FC leader and officers an option to convert his house to house fc members. If you have an FC house, you don't need an additional personal house. If you sell your fc or transfer fc, the house doesn't go with it, it reverts to the person's personal house.

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Originally Posted by crumbler81

Housing Lottery

• Weekly lottery in each district
• Medium and Large restricted to FCs
• Small open to all who meet requirements (GC Rank/MSQ)
• One per account
• Increase plot costs

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No thank you.

We have enough RNG stuff in-game that people continue to scream about. Nobody wants any more. Plus gating personal-housing to small only would piss off even more people.

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Originally Posted by crumbler81

Housing Lottery

• Totally remove placard purchasing/transfers
• Weekly lottery in each district
• Medium and Large restricted to FCs
• Small open to all who meet requirements (GC Rank/MSQ)
• One per account
• Increase plot costs

This is the fairest way I can think of for making housing available to all, and shouldn't be too much trouble to implement. No more click grinding or bots. Plot costs should probably be increased to a very large amount gil like it was at 2.0 launch. Let me know what you guys think as I'm fairly new to looking for housing.

Thanks!

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• Things I don't like is walking in a house and seeing a house mostly empty, but for a summon bell. Every time it makes me ask "Why?!? It might be their right to or not, but still bothers me.
• People with multiple houses of course. Such a selfish act.
• People that falsely claim plots as an FC, when obvious they are not. Make the FC's house require a higher number of active members and rank. To hold that total of active members from month to month.
• I say free up those houses to improve availability and fix those obvious loopholes.

All of this...nope.
1. Turn on auto-demolition.
2. 1 plot for Server for all characters, not for data center.

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Originally Posted by PrinceThrash

Weekly lottery in each district - Not sure what this is?

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They could hold lotteries kind of like what we have for the Cactpot Board. If plots become open during the weekly reset, they would go to the lottery to determine the next owner. Players could go to a housing district, select an open plot, and basically purchase a lottery ticket for the cost of the plot. This would be returned to the player if they do not win.

Even better...

- Restrict housing districts to Free Companies.
- Create player housing private instances. (Just like in FFXI)

Player housing private instances:
Based on players achievements/Gil.

The more gil and or achievements a player has, the bigger they can expand their house.

This creates not only a gil sink but also a use for player achievement points.

Basically, the more the player plays or has gil, the more they can expand their private house.
The private house will start the size if the inn room, then increase to the size of a mansion.

Size comparison steps:
-Inn Room
-Apartment
-Mog Garden expansion
-Small cottage
-Medium House
-Large Mansion

Give gil and achievement points a purpose and give players unlimited housing. FFXI is 2340982034 years old and has a bigger and better housing system than FFXIV. Get with the times.


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Some examples

-The more gil the player has, the larger their house.
-The more achievement points the player has, the more they can expand the housing item limit, and gardening options in the Mog Garden.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

- Restrict housing districts to Free Companies.
- Create player housing private instances.
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This not only fixes the entire mess created by allowing players to share housing with Free Companies, but also keeps Yoshida to his word that player housing would be cheaper than Free Company housing,

and more importantly....

This fixes the dead empty housing districts. With districts being restricted to Free Companies, there would be much more player traffic in these zones, making them feel more lively.

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Oh this would also fix the need for Alt FC's and house flipping.
Especially if you allow alts to share the same Private instance house.

Buuuuuuuuuuuut that would be the sensible thing to do, and this is FFXIV .... which is anything but! lol

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

-The more gil the player has, the larger their house.
-The more achievement points the player has, the more they can expand the housing item limit, and gardening options in the Mog Garden.

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This would incentivize players who were "grandfathered" into owning multiple plots, if you restrict the players who currently own a house, from purchasing a private instanced house.




In which case, I do believe I literally solved every single problem with housing using only features that already exist in FFXIV except I added the mog garden, which if FFXI can do it, FFXIV can.
Unless of course FFXIV's servers are smaller and older than FFXI's???

Where the fix? None of what you listed fixes anything.

Players need a way to interface with the game to indicate the plot they want to own. Remove placards and you've removed the ability to purchase altogether. No one gets anything. Nothing is fixed.

A lottery doesn't guarantee that a player who meets the requirements will get a house or even that anyone will (see below). Nothing is fixed.

Restricting mediums and larges to FCs means more players creating shell FCs so they can own one. Watch all the shell FCs for solo players now owning the mediums and larges while legitimate FCs can't get any housing at all because they're blocked from purchasing smalls. Nothing is fixed.

There aren't enough smalls for every player in the game. Nothing is fixed.

Taking away the excess houses from multiple house owners is a drop in the bucket compared to unmet demand. Nothing is fixed.

Increased plot costs makes it harder for players, especially those with only a few hours a week to play, to obtain a house while players with hundreds of millions of gil or lots of real life disposable income to spend aren't impacted in any measurable way. Nothing is fixed.

Before you can suggest any fixes, you need to identify the real problem The real problem is the lack of a dynamic supply able to meet the demands of a player base that is continuing to grow (which is pretty rare in a MMO that's 7+ years old) but is growing at variable rates on different worlds in different regions. We're stuck with a static supply that is the same for every world despite population imbalances and that does not automatically grow as the player base grows.

If you want to fix the problem, you need to create a dynamic supply system. Other MMOs have it - it's instanced housing. It's worked very successfully for them. Players aren't limited to one per account, or one per world, or one per character. Players can get as many houses as they want.

Let's stop suggesting that SE waste their time making torn bandages that don't fix anything and start requesting they use their time to create a real solution.

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Originally Posted by crumbler81

They could hold lotteries kind of like what we have for the Cactpot Board. If plots become open during the weekly reset, they would go to the lottery to determine the next owner. Players could go to a housing district, select an open plot, and basically purchase a lottery ticket for the cost of the plot. This would be returned to the player if they do not win.

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That's not how lotteries work. With a lottery, participants pick numbers. Then a winning number is independently picked. If no participant picked the winning number, no one wins.

You really want to see plots sit vacant for weeks because no one manages to pick the winning number?

If you want plot ownership based on RNG, you should suggest a raffle where participants are given numbered tickets and a winner is drawn from the tickets given out.

It still doesn't fix anything.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Where the fix? None of what you listed fixes anything.

You really want to see plots sit vacant for weeks because no one manages to pick the winning number?

If you want plot ownership based on RNG, you should suggest a raffle where participants are given numbered tickets and a winner is drawn from the tickets given out.

It still doesn't fix anything.

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If you do raffle then people will just make a million alts to increase the chances of them winning the house.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

In which case, I do believe I literally solved every single problem with housing

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Actually there is one thing that might not be fixed by your suggestion....


If this system is in fact exactly what was intended.

Considering this statement, and the current state of things, it very well seems intentional?

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"Originally posted by FFXIV Producer"
A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-%2810-30-2013

Stopped taking this OP serious after reading "Weekly lottery in each district".

I ensure you, we don't want lottery. May sound good on paper but it won't in practice.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

In which case, I do believe I literally solved every single problem with housing using only features that already exist in FFXIV except I added the mog garden, which if FFXI can do it, FFXIV can.
Unless of course FFXIV's servers are smaller and older than FFXI's???

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It sacrifices the neighbourhood element for individual players though which is a big enough selling point it seems to come up when people suggest instances as a solution. But I also think that there's actually a way you could improve that concept with instances.

Basically, you have your house plot and a locale. You'd be able to unlock locales for free, through quests, achievements, mog shop, etc and they'd all have entrances somewhere out in the world where interested players could browse through and visit them if open (think the apartment lobbies/fc room door).

You could also let players (mayors?) and FCs create a "neighbourhood" which would be kinda like the current wards but varying in size and set up as an actual instance. The FC leader or mayor would pick a locale that allows neighbourhoods and it becomes accessible the same way as the instances. Other players/FCs could then request to join the neighbourhood which would drop their existing house plot into their chosen plot in the neighbourhood, you could also set up community features for it like boards and the like.

Ideally, it would mean that for FCs who want to have their house in an awesome spot surrounded the houses of their members they could do that, FCs who instead want to group up with other FC houses can do that too. People who just want a house and aren't fussed on the ward idea wouldn't join one, while other people who enjoy the idea more could find a neighbourhood that suits them.
You could have neighbourhoods dedicated to a certain aesthetic ("No paissa houses!", "This is a catboy haven"), maybe they decide themes for different areas (like... the island in lavender beds for plots 6-11 could be the entertainment area with cafe/club/shop themed houses), or just eclectic ones where anyone can make anything.

I think it might even make things better for people who like wards, because you're joining a community of people who likely want the same sort of thing for the look of the ward rather than, really, ending up wherever you are and if it's next to an ugly house you hate... pray for another plot to open up and try there?

I'm tired of having neighbours anyway. What's the point of going to Lavender Beds because I like the aesthetic there if some emo weeb is going to place a giant shirogane castle walls in black and block my view?

"If you want housing just win the f**ing lottery".

Lol, no, just get rid of neighborhoods.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

I'm tired of having neighbours anyway. What's the point of going to Lavender Beds because I like the aesthetic there if some emo weeb is going to place a giant shirogane castle walls in black and block my view?

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No one force you, go get apartment if you don't like neighbor.
Please leave your plot info here for others from your server if you choose to do that.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

No one force you, go get apartment if you don't like neighbor.
Please leave your plot info here for others from your server if you choose to do that.

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If you tried to comprehend the context, you'd understand she wants a housing plot with garden, but doesn't care for neighbors. How did you get to the conclusion that she wants an apartment? :confused:

Fixes and suggestions on these forums often translate to "Things that only benefit me in a specific way."