Keep it all in one thread!!!!

Making 20+ thread complaining about housing isn't going to do you guys any good. The devs have said time and time again to keep things to 1 or 2 threads so it is easier for them to find and look through. As it stands right now all these threads are going to get buried and forgotten and a few days.

To be fair, at least 3 threads were necroed by our resident troll and his alts. The rest, however, need to learn that SE would rather we keep everything in one thread and not flood the page with the same thing.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Making 20+ thread complaining about housing isn't going to do you guys any good. The devs have said time and time again to keep things to 1 or 2 threads so it is easier for them to find and look through. As it stands right now all these threads are going to get buried and forgotten and a few days.

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You are not new. One thread means jack. This will be quietly ignored like all the other times. There have been gigantic threads about housing. Looks exactly the same now as it did in in 2.X.

Keep them coming so SE stop being blind.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

Keep them coming so SE stop being blind.

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SE is aware of the problem. All the threads do nothing. They aren't suddenly going to change course just because someone made another thread. All these threads are doing good s spread the discussion thin and burying threads about other topics. They help no one in any way and just hurt the forums.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

You are not new. One thread means jack. This will be quietly ignored like all the other times. There have been gigantic threads about housing. Looks exactly the same now as it did in in 2.X.

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Multiple 100 page threads in the healer forums.

Feedback ignored.

So you'll have to forgive me if I think anything posted on these forums holds more weight than a grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Making 20+ thread complaining about housing isn't going to do you guys any good. The devs have said time and time again to keep things to 1 or 2 threads so it is easier for them to find and look through. As it stands right now all these threads are going to get buried and forgotten and a few days.

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You say that (It's a great point) but why don't one of our many inactive community reps or the devs themselves take initiative and actually make a thread and pin it? I've always wondered why because so many of these issues would be solved if SE just got off their butt and took initiative instead of pretending issues don't exist and ignoring their player base.

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Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy

You say that (It's a great point) but why don't one of our many inactive community reps or the devs themselves take initiative and actually make a thread and pin it? I've always wondered why because so many of these issues would be solved if SE just got off their butt and took initiative instead of pretending issues don't exist and ignoring their player base.

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Or just move a thread into a somewhat duplicate. I know they have the ability. I have seen it happen at least once.




Also while it was done as a joke. It seems the relevant threads that have multiple posts. Keeping the topics consolidated are being locked. So english comunity, "Don't Make multiple threads and keep every thing together." Mods yep lets lock those.

A thread of complaining about complaining. What an ironic way to get your post numbers up. People have done this cycle on the lodestone for eons. They complain every time on the forums in multiple threads and someone always starts a thread about not posting in multiple threads. I guarantee you this will happen again, the next time they release any kind of housing. lol

Well its going to have to mods are locking threads. So people will just post more.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

SE is aware of the problem. All the threads do nothing. They aren't suddenly going to change course just because someone made another thread. All these threads are doing good s spread the discussion thin and burying threads about other topics. They help no one in any way and just hurt the forums.

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Then we keep making them and overflow the forums because we won't give up because everyone deserve a house. They can ignore and don't cafe, if 1000000000 threads can wake them up, we will. I'm tired to be punished while i pay.

Naw, they are aware of the issue. They just don't care to invest the funds. Also, the asian player base is fine with the existing housing system to my knowledge. It's really only us in the West who find it to be a steaming, festering trash heap.

I don't see them doing anything save for bandaid solutions anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

Then we keep making them and overflow the forums because we won't give up because everyone deserve a house. They can ignore and don't cafe, if 1000000000 threads can wake them up, we will. I'm tired to be punished while i pay.

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While people are rightfully annoyed at this situation, you're hurting no one but the forum-goers by thinking that spamming the forums with housing threads would do anything other than make sure the devs ignore the forums even harder. If you want the devs to have even the slightest desire of taking feedback on the EN forums seriously, it needs to be condensed into easily readable mega-threads filled with constructive criticism, not spread ultra thin across a thousand topics of people just angrily shouting into the air demanding immediate fixes which will 100000000% get all that ignored. If they read anyone's feedback, it certainly wont be from the 1000 bickering topics.

They're well aware of housing shortages.
They're well aware of people's anger.
But reality check: it takes money, time, and skilled programmers to fix these issues. Most importantly, they have tight deadlines to meet, in which that money, time and programmers have to be working on the bulk patch content like MSQ, raids, instances, etc, so they likely don't have much time to work on side-stuff between deadlines. Raging at them and spamming their forums will accomplish literally nothing; either vote with your wallet or listen to Yoshi-P's advice on how the devs want people to use the forums and condense information while being constructive and not unconstructive bickering.

Maybe they could at least move the threads to the Housing forum.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

While people are rightfully annoyed at this situation, you're hurting no one but the forum-goers by thinking that spamming the forums with housing threads would do anything other than make sure the devs ignore the forums even harder. If you want the devs to have even the slightest desire of taking feedback on the EN forums seriously, it needs to be condensed into easily readable mega-threads filled with constructive criticism, not spread ultra thin across a thousand topics of people just angrily shouting into the air demanding immediate fixes which will 100000000% get all that ignored.

They're well aware of housing shortages.
They're well aware of people's anger.
But reality check: it takes money, time, and skilled programmers to fix these issues. Most importantly, they have tight deadlines to meet, in which that money, time and programmers have to be working on the bulk patch content like MSQ, raids, instances, etc, so they likely don't have much time to work on side-stuff between deadlines. Raging at them and spamming their forums will accomplish literally nothing; either vote with your wallet or listen to Yoshi-P's advice on how the devs want people to use the forums and condense information while being constructive and not unconstructive bickering.

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Money that come from me and many others who can never get a house. We have every right to be not happy at a system that makes you wait for hours and yoshi p saying that if the player base is not happy, you're doing it wrong but don't do anything. I feel punished because i wasn't lucky enough. I don't care of the reasons, it's unacceptable and i'm being polite too.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Maybe they could at least move the threads to the Housing forum.

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They are, and they're even locking them lol.

Perhaps they can begin to merge threads, if they are looking for that behavior of single thread issues. Although it would also kind of foster that feeling that 'they don't listen' if there are super massive mega threads with everyone largely agreeing . . so. . win some and lose some as with everything.

It would be an interesting culture shift to see, if they start saying we need to organize ourselves into a single thread. Probably promote more smaller feedback, good and bad I guess. Nice if OP starts off things well, kind of awful if the first post is no good though lol (could paint and regularly derail the thread, and less great if OP never updates if something pertinent changed in game).

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Making 20+ thread complaining about housing isn't going to do you guys any good. The devs have said time and time again to keep things to 1 or 2 threads so it is easier for them to find and look through. As it stands right now all these threads are going to get buried and forgotten and a few days.

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I am getting so sick of people on the forums that keep getting really angy about necro threads this, and put all in the same thread that. No single person owns an entire topic. Let there be a few different threads a topic at least.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I am getting so sick of people on the forums that keep getting really angy about necro threads this, and put all in the same thread that. No single person owns an entire topic. Let there be a few different threads a topic at least.

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When I made this thread the ENTIRE first page was nothing but complaining about housing. People can make threads on the topics they want, but they should check if the topic is on the front page and post in that thread iif it's there. Making a new thread is just adding to the bloat for no reason and having the same thread 20+ times isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I am getting so sick of people on the forums that keep getting really angy about necro threads this, and put all in the same thread that. No single person owns an entire topic. Let there be a few different threads a topic at least.

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Making a thread doesn't mean someone owns a topic.

If there are multiple threads on the same topic, you end up with a few problems - the feedback spread out so its harder for players to state which opinions they agree or disagree with before adding their own thoughts, the same poster repeating their comments in every thread because they think that's the only way to be heard, and posters trying to keep discussion constructive with information having to repeat themselves over and over in each thread. You also make it harder for readers to find all the threads on the topic to get information.

Let there be a single thread. It doesn't matter who started it, they don't own the discussion. Even better if a CM or even dev starts the topic because that acts like a magnet in forums because when a CM starts a thread, players feel like they'll be getting heard. Instead of locking threads, delete the posts that break the forum rules or stray too far from the topic. It might mean more work temporarily for the mods but it will promote more constructive discussion in the long run.

"Keep it all in one thread"

Not happening.

The idea that you "own your thread" is a mindset that contributes to the forum not working well. It's a cyclical thing that your thread starts off by expressing your own opinion front-and-centre in the title and introduction, and it steers the course of debate - the thread exists to discuss your opinion on the subject, not the subject as a whole. The main page of the forum ends up looking more like the discussion that should be taking place within a single thread, but it's disjointed and won't stay together over time so it can't easily be reviewed.

An all-opinions focus thread isn't going to form in this situation, at least without the mods working on merging and deleting threads. And which of these "individual post-threads" deserves to get upheld over the others?

Imagine if, instead of all these individual thoughts, the first person wanting to discuss the issue makes a thread with a neutral(ish) title: "October 2020 Housing War Feedback". Instead of each other person starting their own thread for their opinion, they make it as a post within that thread. They do own their individual post, but the thread itself has been made "for everyone" - it's not an opinion but a container for everyone's opinions.

It all starts from a different mindset approach to the forum - a shared space for everyone where the thread will be an ongoing public discussion on an issue, so opening posts are constructed accordingly.

Recent events on the forum also suggest that there might be some sort of breakdown between forum mod actions and what is actually ideal for the community. Is the locking of long constructive threads* how the forum should be operating, or is it moderation on par with punishing the people the tried to drown out a hateful thread instead of the poster being hateful, or letting an obvious troll continue to disrupt the forum for weeks when the rules and guidelines could easily be applied to stop him?

Since these things have happened, I can only wonder what else is going on behind the scenes and where there might be a breakdown of communication between the forum mods and the best interests of the company they work for or the community they support. Could the devs be unaware that the feedback threads are being shut down?


* assuming the threads were constructive - I'm not familiar with the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The idea that you "own your thread" is a mindset that contributes to the forum not working well. It's a cyclical thing that your thread starts off by expressing your own opinion front-and-centre in the title and introduction, and it steers the course of debate; the thread exists to discuss your opinion on the subject, not the subject as a whole. The main page of the forum ends up looking more like the discussion that should be taking place within a single thread, but it's disjointed and won't stay together over time so it can't easily be reviewed.

An all-opinions focus thread isn't going to form in this situation, at least without the mods working on merging and deleting threads. And which of these "individual post-threads" deserves to get upheld over the others?

Imagine if, instead of all these individual thoughts, the first person wanting to discuss the issue makes a thread with a neutral(ish) title: "October 2020 Housing War Feedback". Instead of each other person starting their own thread for their opinion, they make it as a post within that thread. They do own their individual post, but the thread itself has been made "for everyone" - it's not an opinion but a container for everyone's opinions.

It all starts from a different mindset approach to the forum - a shared space for everyone where the thread will be an ongoing public discussion on an issue, so opening posts are constructed accordingly.

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The problem with mega threads is they can go off topic REALLY easily. And with little to no moderator support / actions in these forums it gets bad really quick.

Just look at our resident Necromancer troll as a case study.

Been here for months, nothing done about them.

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