Voidsent maturity

Due to a certain aspect of an event I'd like to run:

Are all voidsent evil? By this, I mean, are voidsent naturally evil or do they learn to be evil from their kin? Can they grow up separate from the thirteenth and not learn from their kin? It's something I'd like to explore, the idea of a juvenile voidsent who might not know right from wrong.

Voidsent are the twisted maligned people that once populated the 13th shard... I've never read anything about a voidsent reproducing for baby voidsent... especially since they are in essence starved of aether

Quoting this from the encyclopedia eorzea book 1...

"A successful foray into the void by members of an expeditionary party known as the "fellowship of NOAH" revealed the realm to be a dark vacuum lacking any and all traces of aether, but posessing traits that suggest that it may once have been teeming with life. The Scions expand on these observations, explaining that the void is actually one of Hydaelyns's reflections from which all light was struck following a "Flood of Darkness." Stripped of balance between Light and Darkness, ambient aether could no longer exist, leaving a realm "void" of life energy. Without the aether required for survival, the realm's denizens grew twisted of mind and body, eventually devolving into what we now know as voidsent."

See, I never thought that implied that they couldn't procreate, that it was mostly a generalization of the attitude and alignment of the Thirteenth's inhabitants. Between infighting and summoning, by now, you'd think if they were unable to procreate, their numbers would have dwindled significantly, so they have to be coming from somewhere.

They also are devoid of the life aether basically making them akin to undead beings. Their primary focus is getting aether not procreation. Plus summoning the Voidsent is not as common as we might think it would be. It takes a lot of energy to create a rift between the 13th shard and the source and when it happens its a voidsent soul that possesses the conjurer. Allagan had ways of ripping tears into it but that was for their own gain. They are unable to procreate due to it being bovoid of said aether needed to create said life. No life aether means no babies and no procreation..

Also, as a point the succubus that have been summoned into this world like Lady Almandine, did not procreate if the were with a man. (The great gubal library mentions one had been summoned and that one pretty much killed the one who summoned her.)

I think they established unless you're killing them in their home realm, the stronger voidsent don't truly die as they manifest in other worlds by sending their souls across the rift to possess something as a temporary vessel and will simply be banished back to void if their physical form is destroyed (Assuming their soul isn't sealed away somehow instead).

That said, their populations probably aren't actually taking much of a hit overall.

The lesser voidsent like imps and gremlins are able to cross over in both body and soul and while presumably being right and proper dead when killed as a result, they still manage to be persistent pests in the regions they inhabit despite frequent cullings.

Right though, didn't they retract the gremlins from being void sent due to Shadowbringers? I may have misunderstood it though.

I cannot remember everything about it but the all saints wake event let you obtain a special ahriman mount that had a little story to it and I think he is not evil. So to answer your question if the lore from that can be trusted I do not think they are all evil. I really do not remember the story behind it so well tho.

My thinking fir my event is this: voidsent require aether of others for sustenance, but this doesn't have to come from a place of malice. I was thinking of having a sort of juvenile, not-really-evil-but-still-a-problem voidsent wrecking havoc and draining people's aether and not understanding why it's a problem when it's confronted, either leading to a diplomacy resolution or a fight resolution.

or a child then from the 13th that turned into a voidsent, when it became the void. You could then say that the voidsent still retained the child like mind and didn't know better.

The Void has no lifestream to speak of, which has resulted in the surviving inhabitants being warped into effectively immortal wraiths that possess corpses outside of the Void itself and devour aether in whatever world they are summoned to grow their power. As Diabolos demonstrates, they're also fully capable of (and not above) devouring other voidsent for power.

As one All Saints' Wake event showed they aren't all evil by nature, but their parasitic existence means they're likely more trouble than they're worth.

As the Void has no lifestream, the concept of maturity is hard to apply to them. Many are capable of communication, but in the end the species itself is little more than particularly intelligent animals. Right and wrong don't apply to them the same way they do to people.

Good and Evil are complicated in this situation. The void basically lacks aether itself and because in the FFXIV world, aether is required for damn near everything it results in a situation where the voidsend literally hunger for aether to point where they will do anything to fulfill that hunger, that includes ripping it out of anything that happens to have it.

The early Tham class quests delve into a little voidsent business and if anyone reading this hasn't already played through those quests I highly recommend it. It kind of emphasizes the level of deception some are capable of. It just seems like there is lot purposefully left "mysterious" or vague about voidsent to keep from writing into any corners or into retcon situation. And that is fine imo. I would rather that be the case than we just find out everything and there are all kinds of contradictions within the lore.

And another thing.. I would like to see more intentional mistakes in someone's study notes or something where the game has Npc's that are not entirely correct about something yet they fully believe what they have come to understand in a way. Could lead to some interesting gameplay elements.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I think they established unless you're killing them in their home realm, the stronger voidsent don't truly die as they manifest in other worlds by sending their souls across the rift to possess something as a temporary vessel and will simply be banished back to void if their physical form is destroyed (Assuming their soul isn't sealed away somehow instead).

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You're thinking of the Burning Legion from Warcraft. Dead voidsent are just dead (assuming they're not just playing possum, like Diabolos in the Lost City of Amdapor). The only known exception is the Cloud of Darkness, who can't be permanently killed because she IS the Void.