AST Cards for Magic DPS?

Completely noob AST question here. plz don't hurt me.

Do any direct played AST cards have any special impact on Magic DPS?

The tool tips say either melee DPS, tank DPS or ranged DPS (and X% for "other roles).

My assumption given how FF14 divides DPS roles/types is that Magic DPS would then fall under the "other role" category and would not generally be a specific card target. Or does the card system buck the trend for some reason and consider magic DPS as "ranged?"

Casters count as range so Bole, Ewer and Spire will still work on magic dps.

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

Casters count as range so Bole, Ewer and Spire will still work on magic dps.

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This, if you look at the class list Bard, Machinist, Dancer are all Physical Ranged DPS though most call them simply "ranged"
Casters on the other hand, your Black Mage, Summoner, Red Mage, (and Blue Mage) are all Magical Ranged DPS

Which I haven't played AST since leveling, no plans to either thanks 5.0 revamp, but pretty sure that Healers also count in for the ranged cards so when solo the ranged cards will have more impact on yourself than the melee cards

Ranged including magical get more of a % boost from one half of the cards and melee including tanks get the same % of boost from the other half of the cards, healers get optimal dmg % boosts from either card type.Lord and Lady cards give the most % dmg to their respective classes but do not grant you a seal.

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Originally Posted by Alpheus

healers get optimal dmg % boosts from either card type.

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No, healers count as ranged, so Bole etc. give less of a damage buff.

This is the full list of jobs that each card applies the full effect to:

Bole (solar), Ewer (lunar), Spire (celestial), Lady of Crowns ---> Ranged (Bard, Machinist, Dancer) Caster (Black Mage, Summoner, Red Mage, Blue Mage) Healer (White Mage, Scholar, Astrologian)

Balance (solar), Arrow (lunar), Spear (celestial), Lord of Crowns ---> Tank (Warrior, Paladin, Dark Knight, Gunbreaker) Melee (Monk, Dragoon, Ninja, Samurai)

Cards will have half the strength when used on a job from the opposite list. N.B. Blue Mage's aetherial mimicry doesn't alter this since it's just a buff they apply to themselves. They're still Blue Mages so they get the most benefit from the ranged cards.

My mistake. I am sry ^^

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Its like Mhaeric said. BUT....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...92/unknown.png

The AST gets every time the max. (6 or 8 % ) %. So the answer is allways 42... the AST^^

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No, you're misreading the tooltip. All the word self there refers to is who you can target a card at. I.e. you can use it on yourself or a party member, but not anyone outside your party. You still fall under the "if target is" part. E.g. You only get the 3% boost when targetting yourself with the Balance.

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Its like Mhaeric said. BUT....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...92/unknown.png

The AST gets every time the max. (6 or 8 % ) %. So the answer is allways 42... the AST^^

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https://i.imgur.com/igC6Ywh.png

read until the full stop, removing half the sentence completely alters the meaning.

Increases damage dealt by a party member or self by:
> 6% if target is melee DPS or tank, or
> 3% for all other roles.

i usually give everyone cards since they do all the same now

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

i usually give everyone cards since they do all the same now

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They have twice the strength when used on the correct job, so you should really be making an effort to target people with the right cards. There are some possible exceptions to this based on situation, of course, but most of the time it's worth being smart about who you target. E.g. If you're in a group that is all melee and you've used up all your draws and are still stuck with a Bole, Ewer or Spire then it's okay to give it to one of the melee since at least one of them should be able to do more with a 3% boost than you would with a 6%. If using it on yourself would be more effective then I would instead direct you to the Tales from the Duty Finder thread since an entire party of melee that bad is worth a post there. ;)

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

They have twice the strength when used on the correct job, so you should really be making an effort to target people with the right cards. There are some possible exceptions to this based on situation, of course, but most of the time it's worth being smart about who you target. E.g. If you're in a group that is all melee and you've used up all your draws and are still stuck with a Bole, Ewer or Spire then it's okay to give it to one of the melee since at least one of them should be able to do more with a 3% boost than you would with a 6%. If using it on yourself would be more effective then I would instead direct you to the Tales from the Duty Finder thread since an entire party of melee that bad is worth a post there. ;)

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The other way round however, a party full of ranged with a melee card, it is entirely worth throwing on a tank.
6% on a tank is almost always better than 3% on a ranged dps.

But practically speaking, just throw all the cards at the damage dealer with the lowest number in the party list (the DD with the highest enmity) unless two people are consistently going back and forth between #2 and #3. The "wrong" DD only has to be doing 2.92% more DPS than the "right" DD for them to get more benefit out of the wrong card, and if they've been #2 since before your last card, they are most likely over that threshold.