Mythic + in FFXIV?

I guess this is similar to the Unreal Dungeons ide,a but do you think the devs could implement a version of the mythic + system with dungeons that scale up to us and scale past us to a degree with some varying status effects on the mobs or players? I'm certain that the game already has the tools to create an equivalent mode but it's just a matter of putting the pieces together. What are your thoughts on such a gamemode being in the game?

While I like M+ style systems, I don't think it would suit the dungeon design in FFXIV. In WoW, each trashpull tends to have its own set of quirks that can make stacking mutators more interesting. 95% of trashpulls in FFXIV are just pure tank-and-spank.

To make it feel right, they'd need to redesign existing content to have suitable complexity, or develop new content with such a system specifically in mind imo.

Thats basically HoH/PotD

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Thats basically HoH/PotD

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Pretty much.. it literally IS deep dungeons.

PotD and HoH lack the typical dungeon style most are just kill mob progress floors then boss on the tenth floor not quite the same as a typical dungeon modified with affixes or negative effects for example.

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Originally Posted by Kiurai

PotD and HoH lack the typical dungeon style most are just kill mob progress floors then boss on the tenth floor not quite the same as a typical dungeon modified with affixes or negative effects for example.

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except it does have negative effects. quite a few of them, and they can be quite punishing on the higher floors if you've never been there.

The same can be said for dungeons as well. Kill mobs and every few packs fight a boss.

I liken PotD and HoH to Torghast in wow which I think they were the inspiration for. More than a mythic + or heroic imo

We have enough show off content in this game already, we need more casual content not hardcore content that only 1% of the playerbase can participate!11

I say this would only be used in flat 50-60-70 content NOT leveling as sastasha with 80 skils sounds ridiculous

That being said id LOVE to do Pharos Siruis, Sunken (hard), Keeper, Arboretum, Sohr Kai, Kugane Castle, The Burn, Swallows, and Ghimlyt Dark as a full job not a 50-70 job. Not all jobs are MCH they get very vital tools outside of 50, i'm down for this. Hell i dont even need rewards i just wan to do The Burn with Apex or have Riddle of Earth doing Pharos. Also the games in dire need of more 4 man content with no "HoH" varient this expansion

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Originally Posted by RagingStallion

We have enough show off content in this game already, we need more casual content not hardcore content that only 1% of the playerbase can participate!11

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4 hardcore trials, thats all the HC fans have also even the casual stuff is a joke that kids could do is there no middle gorund?

Raging is a troll don't engage lol

I'm with you, it would lead to some interesting high end 4 man content every xpac.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

is there no middle gorund?

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Honestly, I think there is less of a middle ground in FFXIV than in WoW.

In WoW, most raids are 10-30 player content while the high end is a 20-player content. It makes sense for there to be an alternative 5-player high end content. (Although I've also heard some complaints of Mythic+ becoming "required" for raiding.)

In FFXIV, the high-end content are 8-player contents, just twice the size of a dungeon party. And they're already having to reduce the number of regular dungeons per patch and not even have a deep dungeon this expansion.

If they're going to focus on a high-end content, it might as well be for 8-player contents rather than 4-player.

Also, as it is now, sometimes even contents like Extreme trials can be not as useful in terms of reward for Savage raiders or people who can have HQ crafted weapons. So a Mythic+ style content might also not fit as well in terms of reward structure.

And personally, as I've said in the past, there is also the fear of a trickle-down effect in dungeon design if this system were to be put in place. I like the current dungeon design in FFXIV and I'd rather it not change.

The primary issues I've seen with Mythic + is its reward structure ties directly into the player progression gear wise in WoW making it go from an addition to mandatory, (if it's actually difficult enough it would need an adequate reward to compensate for that effort regardless but I digress) and that the mode would cut into other content + not have the participation to justify it's existence, savage for example is considered by most to be the top of the line raid content in XIV yet less than 1% have cleared it, they are the ones this content would likely appeal most too if my time browsing forums where they frequent is anything to go by. It would need a large amount of support from the community at large but most are more casual orientated, myself included. And would probably not see much need from such content overall

However I think that a staple of content that satisfys everyone, hardcore and casual alike can be made it just needs a signal from the players that it's desired enough for them to consider. I think that FFXIV has focused heavily into more lifeskill and casual friendly content over ShB lifespan and good though these new systems can be they won't hold the attention of the higher end players overall and I think that they deserve content to date their XIV needs aswell.