So something has sorta bugged me since the new trial came out, the name. Why is this just another "extreme"? Previous trials usually had an epitaph about the boss, so why not now?
Maybe we can request a rename from SE? Something to the effect of, The Minstrel's Ballad: Elidibus's Pledge. Or maybe Hope, Resolve, Plea, any would work for the fight.
Anyone have any thoughts?
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08-16-2020, 11:01 AMEloahShould the name of the new Trial be changed to align with previous Trials?
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08-16-2020, 11:17 AMMrThinkerHmmm, it is certainly a departure from using "The Minstrel's Ballad" for an extremely important end-of-story boss;Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
but at the same time, while the boss is Elidibus, it is actually "The Warrior of Light". Look at the fight with Emet-Selch, it is not called "Emet-Selch's Elegy" but "Hades' Elegy" because the boss is "Hades", or "Shinryu's Domain" when it is actually Zenos in control, but we are fighting "Shinryu". In the same way for this trial the boss is the "Warrior of Light", so the trial name would have to have "Warrior of Light" used in it somehow... which is kinda hard to do in my opinion. -
08-16-2020, 11:18 AMMaethusXion
It's actually LESS common for them to have the descriptor. The only ones that seem to be promised this treatment are the x.00 final bosses, Ultima, Thordan, Shinryu, and Hades. It's possible they intended it to be the x.30 bosses as well, but I'm not certain when Nidhogg or Tsukuyomi were added, and ARR's were all true Primals outside of Ultima so this trend might've been intended to start with Nidhogg, but again I don't remember what patch he was added.
ARR 1 vs 7
The Minstrel's Ballad: Ultima's Bane - 2.0
HW 2 vs 5
Thordan's Reign - 3.0
Nidhogg's Rage - 3.3
SB 2 vs 6
Shinryu's Domain - 4.0
Tsukuyomi's Pain - 4.3
ShB 1 vs 5 (so far)
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08-16-2020, 11:19 AMDPZ2
It would be extremely difficult for the "Minstrel" to tell this tale at all, since it didn't occur on the Source.
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08-16-2020, 11:29 AMRodaWanderer's ballad thenQuote:
Originally Posted by DPZ2
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08-16-2020, 11:49 AMLethros
Tsukuyomi was 4.3
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08-16-2020, 12:22 PMItMeHuh... there really isn't a pattern then.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaethusXion
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08-16-2020, 02:25 PMMaethusXionSame for Hades, but it's still a Minstrel's Ballad...Quote:
Originally Posted by DPZ2
Adding that to my original post, thanks. And a quick search says Nidhogg was 3.3, so that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lethros
prelim searches says that it's a break in the trend of 3.3 & 4.3, so... break in pattern?Quote:
Originally Posted by ItMe
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08-16-2020, 03:15 PMEloahWhile you aren't incorrect, if you look at the text that pops up the title is Warrior of Light, with Elidibus as his name. As with Hades it's Sorcerer of Eld: Hades. So using Elidibus in the name would still work. Having the actual boss's name be "Warrior of Light" is more of a nod to who the model is based on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrThinker
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08-16-2020, 03:17 PMMrThinkerThey usually do it for bosses that cap off story arcs. Ultima in 2.0, Thordan in 3.0, Nidhogg in 3.3, Shinryu in 4.0, Tsukuyomi in 4.3 and Hades in 5.0. The Warrior of Light is the boss capping of the ShB story, so this is really tue first "break in the trend" we've had.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItMe
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08-17-2020, 12:03 AMlinayar
Maybe they'll save the second one for Zenos in 5.5 to finish that story arc.
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08-17-2020, 01:39 AMStepjam
Yeah, it is kinda surprising they didn't give it a fancy name like usual.