PvP frontline experience stealth-nerfed

What's the deal with the stealth mega-nerf to the experience rewards from the Frontline daily challenges? Previously they would give a nice big chunk of EXP, approximately 30%-50% of a bar (More if you are below level 50), but now with patch 5.3, the last 2 I ran (Today and yesterday) gave maybe 6% of a bar. The nerf wasn't mentioned at all in the patch notes. Not cool.

Tested it since 5.3 and I agree... the EXP seems way lower then it used it be. My friends are talking not doing Frontline Roulette anymore till it comes back to where it's suppose to be.

Maybe that was becaus SE wanted to get people into Onsal Hakair since that was the only map for daily pvp roulette. Now that it is no longer the only map they reduced the EXP.

The "bonus xp for using the roulette" was removed, and yeah, kind of a bummer.

It might be bugged instead of intentional. Can't say it for sure unless SE makes a statement on it, though.

Do a bug report; see if they fix it.

If it was intentional, weren't people constantly complaining about players AFKing in PvP just for the EXP? Perhaps that's why.

If that's the case, we can't really have it both ways. Either we all get easy EXP or no one does.

Huh thought I was going crazy. Hope it's a big, because if it's not I'm just not doing pvp anymore.

I thought I was missing something, lvling BRD I went from 76 to 77 the night before 5.3 maint doing a FL, played last night and 1.8 mil xp out of 28 mil, bar barely moved.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

If it was intentional, weren't people constantly complaining about players AFKing in PvP just for the EXP? Perhaps that's why.

If that's the case, we can't really have it both ways. Either we all get easy EXP or no one does.

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You get people who queue and don't play or you get people who don't queue and don't play. There's no winning other than SE making PvP actually fun to play for the broader audience. It would probably require considerable resources and a complete overhaul, so I don't see that ever happening.

I wonder if people who got Onsal Halkair got larger exp than those that did the other maps? if so than it does lent credence to the idea of it being a bug alongside the lack of mention in the patch notes (as removing bonus exp is a rather large oversight to leave out)

EDIT: Got out of of a Onsal match and it turns out that I did get the bonus this time, then again the other difference was that my team (Flames) won the match.

Yeah, it's bugged to only reward the bonus on Onsal. Look at this:

https://i.imgur.com/2mkRPth.png

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

There's no winning other than SE making PvP actually fun to play for the broader audience.

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More exp that is, on its own, unrelated to pvp is what makes it fun?

That doesn't really add up to me. If you need an incentive to play pvp (exp, tomes, etc.), maybe you need to go play something else.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

More exp that is, on its own, unrelated to pvp is what makes it fun?

That doesn't really add up to me. If you need an incentive to play pvp (exp, tomes, etc.), maybe you need to go play something else.

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I was saying that the PvP is so bad that the broader audience doesn't want to play it unless they have an incentive like EXP. For that matter, i don't even play PvP at all in this game myself unless I am trying to earn something, like with the Garo mounts awhile back. I go and subscribe to WoW, or even ESO's PvP if I want that. I hate ESO though.. ever since I got a warning, so really just WoW for me if I want mmorpg PvP.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

More exp that is, on its own, unrelated to pvp is what makes it fun?

That doesn't really add up to me. If you need an incentive to play pvp (exp, tomes, etc.), maybe you need to go play something else.

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In Sturm's defense, PvP in FFXIV is really bad. Its not fun at all, even on the winning side.
Incentive such as Exp and Tomes doesn't make it anymore fun, its just something you deal with so you can get something you want.

It seems the pre-5.3 amount of exp is still being given for Onsal Hakair so it is probably just bugged for the others; in Onsal Hakair I received two instances of exp, one for the roulette and one for the actual duty, while in other pvp areas I only received one instance of exp for the actual duty.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You get people who queue and don't play or you get people who don't queue and don't play. There's no winning other than SE making PvP actually fun to play for the broader audience. It would probably require considerable resources and a complete overhaul, so I don't see that ever happening.

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They did a complete rework with Stormblood and it didn't change anything. In HW you had your complete PvE kit available to you and some extra skills on top of that which were unlocked by increasing your pvp rank. You even had a pvp specific stat and materia for it, kinda like pvp in WoW before that game scrapped Resilience. Obviously this was a nightmare to balance and they decided to scrap that system and instead give every job an extremely barebones version of itself for pvp. It's much easier to balance but in my personal opinion the new SB system allows for neither much stategy nor is it very fun which means it has no appeal for hardcore pvp players and casuals alike.

I don't do the roulette anymore due to this bug? PvP is already really bad in this game and no way i'm signing for it without the exp bonus. I used to do it daily to level up.

I play pvp regularly and I have a few alts that I always get the daily on to level their jobs gradually. At least people have figured out what is up with this so it will probably be fixed somewhat soon.

I appreciate that at least someone else out there in the world that noticed this and pointed it out in a public space. Even after the nerf to PvP, Frontlines roulette remained one of the little-known best daily activities for leveling, granting as much as 3 levels if you were in your 30s. I was disturbed that it wasn't in the patch notes and pretty sure that no one in the community noticed or really had the capacity to care. Now that I see it's an actual bug, the chance of it getting a fix seems a little less slim. There may actually be a small glimmer of hope of Frontlines roulette returning to its former glory alongside MSQ and Alliance roulette as the trifecta of daily leveling activities.