Help needed with a DRG macro

Hello, would apreciate any help with this given how I'm not very knowledgeable with macros.
I want to make a Macro for my DRG but I'm not even sure if it's possible.
Here's what I have atm

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/micon "True Thrust"
/ac "True North" <me>
/ac "True Thrust" <t>

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The concept of this macro is simple.
If True North is off the cooldown the first time I press the button then True North will be used.
Second time I press the button (or first time if True North is on CD) then "True Thrust" will be used instead.

I've applied this logic to other cooldowns/other jobs and it works perfectly.
The problem I'm having here is that True North is an ability with charges.
So if I have 2 charges up what's gonna happen is that True North will be used 2 times in a row.
I was wondering: is there any way I can avoid this? Or should I just give up the idea of macroing True North before the other action?


Thanks for any useful insight on the issue :-)

you shouln't be using macros at all in the first place due the delaying problems they cause (intended desing from the devs) the only time i recomend you using macros is on skills that required ground targeting, for the rest it's better learn how to play without them, it's way more responsive.

You shouldn't be using macros for battle at all, to be quite honest. They are deliberately designed to be less effective for it.
To answer your concern yes True North will be used again next time you press the button.

But here's the thing, you can't queue up a macro like you can skills directly. The invisible skill queue that allows oGCDs to function and GCDs to fire as soon as they're able to is not used when executing a macro. You'll probably hit the button multiple times before even getting it to work, it wouldn't be as fluid as simply pressing the buttons manually.

I mash buttons regardless, so "having" to hit the button 4 or 5 times is no big deal, I do that anyway.
I want to use it as a macro simply because there's way too many actions to take care of, they are cluttering the buttons on my controller and stuff that's not on the front Cross Bar is harder to access and makes the game less fun for me to play.
But it's okay, if you guys say there is no feasible way to do this, I'll simply leave it be.

Thanks for your response!

I'd avoid it completely, the only ability you can really macro is Dragon-sight and even that isn't optimal, Drg has a lot of double weaving going on so i would recommend optimizing your hot-bar to make space for it, I play DRG with 1 and a half bars perfectly fine but i have to put my self heals on macros which is considered fine (I'm Rank 8 self healing lol) your self heals are the only trim-able abilities.

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Originally Posted by Renkei

the only ability you can really macro is Dragon-sight

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Personally I disagree.
I apply the same logic I described in the first post to Full Thrust and Life Surge, works like a charm.
Each time Life Surge is off the cooldown it will be used right before I use Full Thrust.
Love it, and it's one less button for me to check/manage, making the actions flow simpler and more streamlined.
It's because I'm liking this so much I wanted to do the same with True North as well ^^

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Originally Posted by Monsalvato

Personally I disagree.
I apply the same logic I described in the first post to Full Thrust and Life Surge, works like a charm.

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Again you'll be losing uptime in small amounts over time when using macros. This isn't something that can be debated, they are intentionally programmed this way.
Now you may not be aiming to be doing Ultimate level content and such and just wanna get by with the effort you have, but it's important to know to downsides to the options available.
I'm glad you're liking it, it may be a little easier with the number of skills you have. It's good to enjoy the way you play, but also understand you'll be met with a lot of opposition in good faith for people trying to help you.

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Originally Posted by Monsalvato

I mash buttons regardless, so "having" to hit the button 4 or 5 times is no big deal, I do that anyway.
I want to use it as a macro simply because there's way too many actions to take care of, they are cluttering the buttons on my controller and stuff that's not on the front Cross Bar is harder to access and makes the game less fun for me to play.
But it's okay, if you guys say there is no feasible way to do this, I'll simply leave it be.

Thanks for your response!

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If you’re going to jam on the macro, you can do it with a /wait command.

/ac True Thrust <t> <wait.1>
/ac True North

Since you’re jamming it, it won’t use true north until after it waits one second. And it won’t wait one second until after you execute True Thrust. So you won’t use both charges. And you don’t need True North before True Thrust anyway. After is fine.

Because you use True Thrust a LOT, you might consider pairing this with Disembowel, instead. You’ll have less drag on your rotation.

Echoing others, I wouldn’t do it myself. But I think this will work the way you want it to, if you’re going to mash the macro repeatedly.

Enough people have explained why you shouldn't macro this, so I'm going to talk strictly about how to work the macro system without judgement as to whether you should.

The first logic flaw in your macro is that you have put the oGCD action first.

Any macro that performs combat actions should list GCD actions first. The reason for this is that if you put oGCDs first, they will all execute and expend all charges before the macro reaches the GCD line. You want to be able to press this macro and use a GCD immediately if available so that you don't delay your GCD to use all the oGCDs first. Here is the ideal priority order for a do-everything button:

1. Restricted GCD actions -- actions on the GCD that are not always available because they require procs or resources.
2. Always-available short-range GCD action -- a single short-range GCD action. You can only use one, because if they're all always available, the first one is the only one that will ever execute.
3. Always-available long-range GCD actions -- you can have multiple long-range actions but they must be in order of shortest range to longest range. If you list the longest range action first, it will always take priority over the shorter range actions.
4. Always-available 0-range or no-target GCD action -- a single GCD action that has no range requirements
5. oGCD actions -- these should at the end because you don't want to delay the GCD by blowing all your oGCD charges first.

If you put restricted GCD actions after always-available GCD actions, you will never use the restricted GCD actions because the always-available GCD actions will always be available. If you put the GCDs after the oGCDs, you will sit there spamming oGCD actions until they're all gone, then finally move on to GCD actions.

If you want the True North effect before using True Thrust, you will first have to trigger the GCD with some other action so that you can press the button while True Thrust is locked out. This is an unavoidable requirement of correct macro ordering.

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Originally Posted by Monsalvato

Personally I disagree.
I apply the same logic I described in the first post to Full Thrust and Life Surge, works like a charm.
Each time Life Surge is off the cooldown it will be used right before I use Full Thrust.
Love it, and it's one less button for me to check/manage, making the actions flow simpler and more streamlined.
It's because I'm liking this so much I wanted to do the same with True North as well ^^

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It actually does not. GCD will always drift if placed in a macro. This will inevitably cost you an entire usage of the ability as the fight progresses. There is also a chance either ability will not execute at all, thus your Life Surge won't even proc. This is because unlike pressing a GCD normally, macros don't queue. No matter how you slice it, either macro you're purposed will cause you to lose damage over time.

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Originally Posted by Monsalvato

I mash buttons regardless, so "having" to hit the button 4 or 5 times is no big deal, I do that anyway.
I want to use it as a macro simply because there's way too many actions to take care of, they are cluttering the buttons on my controller and stuff that's not on the front Cross Bar is harder to access and makes the game less fun for me to play.
But it's okay, if you guys say there is no feasible way to do this, I'll simply leave it be.

Thanks for your response!

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Maybe this thread will help you.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/368682

The thread is just a help for controllers players no Macro help.

Apart for all the problems the other players have already talked about, i kinda dont even understand the point of your first macro.

Since you want to have less buttons to press, i suppose that true thrust is not on another button ? But then you keep using true north each time it is available before being able to use true thrust, even if you dont need true north in the first place. True north is to be used when you can't hit your positionals properly (for example when there is an aoe behind or on the side of your target and you can't go there anymore). If there is no need for it you just move and do your positionnals normaly. If you spend one charge of true north each time you want to use true thrust, it might not be available when you really need it.

Plus true north duration is only 10 seconds long. It is a waste to launch it so soon in your rotation. If you need to move away from your target to avoid some mechanics which will delay the use of the next skills in your combo, true north's buff will not even be up anymore for the later skills using positionals.

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I apply the same logic I described in the first post to Full Thrust and Life Surge, works like a charm.
Each time Life Surge is off the cooldown it will be used right before I use Full Thrust.
Love it, and it's one less button for me to check/manage, making the actions flow simpler and more streamlined.

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Might be a waste too. For example if when about to use full thrust the target you are trying to kill is at 1% life left and that your life is full, you might want to keep life surge for the next mob (if you are getting hit and/or because life surge crit will be more useful on a mob with more life left). But with your macro you can't even do that.

While i don't doubt that your macros are lowering the number of different buttons you need to press, they are also cutting you from some on the fly choices to play better.

Hello everyone, thanks for all the useful insight, but please allow me to offer a better contextualization.

I have All the 4 combo related actions on one Cross Bar (True Thrust, Vorpal Thrust, Full Thrust, Fang and Claw). On this group I use the LifeSurge/FullThrust Macro. True Thrust here is the action itself, not a macro.
On the other Cross bar I have the other 4 combo related actions (True Thrust, Disembowel, Chaos Thrust, Wheeling Thrust). In this group I wanted to use the TrueNorth/TrueThrust Macro.

Reasons for that?
1) I noticed I was using Life Surge not even half of the times I could. Despite me having a button in a secondary action bar (which I don't use, it's there just to remind me when cooldowns are ready) there's way too many things to watch out for, and I was forgetting to use it most of the time. Plus having to swap back and forth constantly between cross bars was super annoying and was cutting away a part of my enjoyment while playing the game.
2) The same was happening pretty much with True North. Which correct me if I'm wrong but for DRG is best used for Disembowel and Chaos Thrust (and at level 80 I guess for Wheeling Thrust and Fang and Claw too, but I'm still level 74 only). I was forgetting to use it most of the time plus I was finding it super annoying to have to swap back and forth so I thought about using it in a macro, given my LifeSurge/FullThrust macro was working so well for me.


For those who said that with this setup I'm going to occasionally waste my Life Surge. Like on a monster about to die, or when I'm full HP etc.
That's absolutely true but it simply doesn't matter for me because, like I said before, I was barely using the action before, so the current situation is still miles ahead of my previous one.
Furthermore DRG is not exactely the job I'm using to make progression in grouped content. I barely do group content in general tbf, but when I do it's definitely not on DRG lol.



Edit:
What do GCD and oGCD mean?
I guess GCD is "Global CoolDown", which is the global wait there is after you execute any action. You can slightly reduce it with spell/skill haste but you can't remove it and during this time you cannot execute other actions...
...except actions which are off the global cooldown. I guess this is what oGCD means? "Off the Global CoolDown"?
Like for DRG some self buffs and jumps are oGCDs, which is exactely why I tipically use them one by one in between the actions of my combos.
Not sure that's the "correct way to play" tbf, DRG is my only melee in FFXIV, I guess it came "natural" to me from my experience in other MMORPGs before FFXIV °-°

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Originally Posted by Monsalvato

What do GCD and oGCD mean?
I guess GCD is "Global CoolDown", which is the global wait there is after you execute any action. You can slightly reduce it with spell/skill haste but you can't remove it and during this time you cannot execute other actions...
...except actions which are off the global cooldown. I guess this is what oGCD means? "Off the Global CoolDown"?
Like for DRG some self buffs and jumps are oGCDs, which is exactely why I tipically use them one by one in between the actions of my combos.
Not sure that's the "correct way to play" tbf, DRG is my only melee in FFXIV, I guess it came "natural" to me from my experience in other MMORPGs before FFXIV °-°

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A GCD action is classified on its tooltip as a Spell or Weaponskill. When you use it, it triggers a roughly 2.5s lockout where you can't use another GCD action. When a combo is active, using a GCD that is not the next combo action will cancel the combo.

An oGCD action is any non-Spell non-WeaponSkill action--either an Ability or blank (like Sprint). These do not trigger the GCD and are not locked out by it. They also do not interrupt combos. If you don't macro your actions you can fit up to two of these in between GCDs. If you're macroing your actions, your next GCD will be delayed if you try to use two oGCDs, and may even be delayed if you try to macro just one.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

If you're macroing your actions, your next GCD will be delayed if you try to use two oGCDs, and may even be delayed if you try to macro just one.

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I'm sure this is the case for plenty of Macros but it's not the case for the LifeSurge/FullThrust one I'm using.
I use Vorpal Thrust and the GCD starts, then I press my macro and Life Surge gets used, press it again and by the time I do that the GCD will be over and Full Thrust will be used, empowered by Life Surge.
All of that without having to manage extra cross bars or extra buttons.

Love it! <3

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Originally Posted by Monsalvato

I'm sure this is the case for plenty of Macros but it's not the case for the LifeSurge/FullThrust one I'm using.
I use Vorpal Thrust and the GCD starts, then I press my macro and Life Surge gets used, press it again and by the time I do that the GCD will be over and Full Thrust will be used, empowered by Life Surge.
All of that without having to manage extra cross bars or extra buttons.

Love it! <3

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The thing is, you definitely are delaying your Full Thrusts by at least 0.2s. Because macroed abilities cannot be queued, you must press the button after the GCD is complete. Whether you perceive this or not, this will result in a loss of at least 0.2s per macroed GCD action.

https://i.imgur.com/NwflNWc.png
Click image for larger version. Image shows timelines of a 5 GCD microrotation (one 1-2-3-4-5 combo on DRG) with and without macros. Macro timeline shows GCD drift due to action locks.

When not using macros, you can press an action button up to 0.5s before the current action finishes. This enqueues the action for immediate execution as soon as the current action lock releases (this is 0.7s for most instant GCDs and oGCDs, but closer to 1.0s for Jump family actions).

When you use macros, your actions do not queue. If you press the macro button before the current action completes, you get an error. This means you must press the button after the action lock releases. If you are able to press a button 4 or 5 times per second, this will cause a delay of about 0.2s every time you want to execute an action.

This is not an issue for a single oGCD action since the GCD gives you about 1.0s more than you need for the one oGCD action; however, all macroed GCD actions are affected by this delay. Worse, if you have two oGCDs that should be used in the same GCD, the combined delays will delay the next GCD action even more than it would have been just on its own.

You might not perceive this or you might not think it's significant, but it is happening if you macro combat actions. Even if you didn't have additional drift from double weaving oGCDs, the delays from macroing GCD actions would add up significantly.

Maybe you're only using one or two macros right now, but to put it in perspective, let's look at what would happen if all your GCD actions were macroed... Each 5-action DRG microrotation would accumulate at least 1.0s of drift. In a 7 minute fight, with a 2.4s GCD, you can typically use 175 GCD actions, or 35 microrotations. If we add up all those macro delays, you would lose 35s, which is 15 actions, or 3 whole microrotations. That's a lot--about 8.6% of the DPS you could put out if you just didn't macro your combat actions. This is a loss of something like 1.3kdps at current endgame.


tl;dr: macro GCD drift is real whether you believe in it or not, and macroing your GCDs will result in a loss of at least 1kdps at Lv80.

All that said, if player is fine with being suboptimal, with no intention of running/clearing high-intensity fights, can probably still get away with it. Not like there's very much necessity for full optimization. 'sides, every player can be prone to fat-fingering or brain-delays causing just as much drift.

It's not ideal. But that doesn't strictly make it wrong. Kinda varies by what content player intends to clear. As a BLM, I'm terrible at properly utilizing things like Sharpcast, Swiftcast, Triplecast, A.Manipulation, etc. Little areas that could absolutely improve my output. But, rather than stressing over not being perfect, I just don't run the things that expect near-perfection.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

All that said, if player is fine with being suboptimal, with no intention of running/clearing high-intensity fights, can probably still get away with it. Not like there's very much necessity for full optimization. 'sides, every player can be prone to fat-fingering or brain-delays causing just as much drift.

It's not ideal. But that doesn't strictly make it wrong. Kinda varies by what content player intends to clear. As a BLM, I'm terrible at properly utilizing things like Sharpcast, Swiftcast, Triplecast, A.Manipulation, etc. Little areas that could absolutely improve my output. But, rather than stressing over not being perfect, I just don't run the things that expect near-perfection.

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Exactely my point. The potential loss of performance is irrelevant, the gain in QoL is intense :-)


Oh and Rongway I see what you meant with queueing now and yes, I can confirm it does NOT queue before the GCD is over, unlike all other normal un-macroed actions which do queue just fine. Not like you needed my confirmation of course, I'm not that arrogant lol, I just meant to say that I see what you mean now and yes, it's real. But it still doesn't bug me at all. It's not like I'm going for world firsts, for current content clearance or stuff like that.
It doesn't really make a difference when you're doing fates, Duty PUGs etc.
If I really wanted to seriously give a boost in performance on my DRG I'm pretty confident there's a plethora of other things I would have to improve with much bigger gains than the loss I get from that ~0.2 seconds from lack of queueing, if you get what I mean :-D

Ah, reminds me of my first time playing ff14, after coming over from WoW. I thought it'd be a brilliant idea on Ninja to macro an oGcd to my each of my combo actions. In WoW that wouldn't have been bad at all, in ff14 it was clunky. I also cut Aeolian Edge from my rotation to save a button, using Armor Crush as the sole finisher. I played that way up until lv70 before finally transitioning over to a macro free SAM and never looking back.

Interestingly it wasn't as terrible as people make out, in Normal raids and such I was often near the top on dps. Maybe I was losing 8-10% dps total, but since most people don't even press buttons or do their rotation right at all and lose 40-60%, it wasn't that much loss.

But it's still a loss and as someone who used to have the same mindset (QoL increasing performance more than small min-max), I'd really recommend transitioning eventually. Macros are just clunky and sometimes stick or fail. A full GcD rotation flows better, feels better and learning how to handle all the different oGcd's in your rotation is like training for your reaction times and muscle memory that makes you a better player overall.

I see, seems like we have mistaken "given how I'm not very knowledgeable with macros" for "does he want to know if macros are good or bad ?" XD

So, with this one you can gain one button since they are following each other in a random order :

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/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"

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When you are in a bad situation, press this one several times, it is a gain of 4 buttons :

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/ac "Second Wind"
/ac "Bloodbath"
/ac "Feint"
/ac "Arm's Length"
/ac "Leg Sweep"

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And the best for the end, between each of your GCDs, press this one or two times, it is a gain of 8 buttons :

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/ac "Lance Charge"
/ac "Battle Litany"
/ac "Dragon Sight"
/ac "Geirskogul"
/ac "Stardiver"
/ac "Jump"
/ac "Mirage Dive"
/ac "Spineshatter Dive"
/ac "Dragonfire Dive"

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Of course there might be a chance that someone will ask you "why are you launching this at this moment ?", but it should be very rare since like already said most people dont have a clue of how to play properly. Also i didn't make dragon sight targeting someone on purpose because getting the best person to launch it on can be a bit too much difficult to do.

Total gain : 13 buttons. There might be more to get, but since it has been a while i didn't play DRG it is all that i can come up with for the moment.

Love this <3

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Originally Posted by Renkei

I'd avoid it completely, the only ability you can really macro is Dragon-sight and even that isn't optimal.

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I think it's important to note that i said it wasn't optimal but still get singled out. I'm not going to tell you that you can't play like that though i was just offering advice.

I'll do you a solid. and share my bar.

https://i.ibb.co/x8RkJdY/DRGHOTBAR.png

I have RIGHT + LEFT = SET 2, and LEFT + RIGHT = AOE 1-2-3 + Geirskogul + LB, Feint, Stun, Pericing Talon. I Didn't Include a Picture of it.

Unless you also have a non-macro'd version of True Thrust on your bar that you use primarily, you are gonna be clipping your damage a ton throughout the fight.

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

I see, seems like we have mistaken "given how I'm not very knowledgeable with macros" for "does he want to know if macros are good or bad ?" XD

So, with this one you can gain one button since they are following each other in a random order :

Code:

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/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"

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When you are in a bad situation, press this one several times, it is a gain of 4 buttons :

Code:

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/ac "Second Wind"
/ac "Bloodbath"
/ac "Feint"
/ac "Arm's Length"
/ac "Leg Sweep"

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And the best for the end, between each of your GCDs, press this one or two times, it is a gain of 8 buttons :

Code:

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/ac "Lance Charge"
/ac "Battle Litany"
/ac "Dragon Sight"
/ac "Geirskogul"
/ac "Stardiver"
/ac "Jump"
/ac "Mirage Dive"
/ac "Spineshatter Dive"
/ac "Dragonfire Dive"

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Jesus, no don't do this. This is a terrible idea. I'm not even gonna get into how bad it is to put your buffs and ALL of your jumps on a single button, because that's just all wrong, and focus on why you shouldn't put all your role actions on a single button, because each one does something completely different (aside from bloodbath and second wind, which both heal you in different ways, but don't stack them either). Feint lowers the target's phys attack for a few seconds, outside of savage and EX to a lesser extent, it isn't that important. More important is that Arm's Length and leg Sweep do two entirely different things, both of which you'll want on command for when they are needed. Arm's length makes you immune to most knockbacks and (less important to non-tanks) applies a slow to trash that hit you during the duration, and Leg sweep is a stun. All 3 of the above skills are situational that you will want to use at very specific times, to put them all on a single macro makes it impossible to achieve that, at least without possibly wasting another skill pointlessly.

I gotta be as genuine as I can and say just practice and get used to having a lot of skills. This may seem like a shortcut, but it's a terrible idea that will hurt you in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

I see, seems like we have mistaken "given how I'm not very knowledgeable with macros" for "does he want to know if macros are good or bad ?" XD

So, with this one you can gain one button since they are following each other in a random order :

Code:

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/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"

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When you are in a bad situation, press this one several times, it is a gain of 4 buttons :

Code:

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/ac "Second Wind"
/ac "Bloodbath"
/ac "Feint"
/ac "Arm's Length"
/ac "Leg Sweep"

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And the best for the end, between each of your GCDs, press this one or two times, it is a gain of 8 buttons :

Code:

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/ac "Lance Charge"
/ac "Battle Litany"
/ac "Dragon Sight"
/ac "Geirskogul"
/ac "Stardiver"
/ac "Jump"
/ac "Mirage Dive"
/ac "Spineshatter Dive"
/ac "Dragonfire Dive"

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Of course there might be a chance that someone will ask you "why are you launching this at this moment ?", but it should be very rare since like already said most people dont have a clue of how to play properly. Also i didn't make dragon sight targeting someone on purpose because getting the best person to launch it on can be a bit too much difficult to do.

Total gain : 13 buttons. There might be more to get, but since it has been a while i didn't play DRG it is all that i can come up with for the moment.

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These have to be the absolute worst macros i've seen in a while. Whatever you do, don't use these.

OP, as contoller player, proper hotbar layout and practice does more better in long run than messing with macros. If you just take everything off, then put them on one by one in some logical manner (combo skills near one another, then skills related to those combos. Most used and important ones like combos at front, less used and ones with long cooldown on back) and hit some dummy to the get the feel, you'll have way better time using your job.
OP hasn't posted his layouts but I've seen it over and over where people complain that they have issues with managing crossbars and then they have stuff like tank stances and invulns on main bar and different GCDs spread across multiple hotbars. Poor management of hotbars leads to poor results and macros don't really solve it.

The truth about "true north" is thats is a good skill on paper,in practice surprisingly insignificant. The dmg-lost, by not using it, most talking about is mainly theorectical.
But its fine to use it, just dont use it in macros. On its own button it'll work better.


Tipps for macros:
-avoid more than 3 ac in one macro, more and the game starts to struggle going through it
-/micon always at the end
-avoid more than 1 GCD-ac
-dont use the "wait"-command
-as less lines as possible
-there is no save activation for macros

putting oGCDs befor or after GCDs into macros is a personal thing. Try out what works better for you.

Full disclosure: new to the game. Only created 1 FF14 macro of my own and it doesn't work (yet).

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Originally Posted by Monsalvato

The problem I'm having here is that True North is an ability with charges.
So if I have 2 charges up what's gonna happen is that True North will be used 2 times in a row.
I was wondering: is there any way I can avoid this?

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It sounds like you want: Press keyboard and activate spell A. Press Keyboard again and activate spell B. Press keyboard again and activate spell A. Etc....

I'll take a shot at answering this question with a "sort of". I don't think it can be done with 1 action bar and 1 macro, but it could be done with 2 actions bars and 2 macros.

This assumes that you are putting the 1st ability macro on hotbar 1, because that's the one that can be rotated to show a different hotbar without changing position. Not sure if this will work if you are using a different hotbar

1st Macro "Test1"

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/micon "True Thrust"
/ac "True North" <me>
/hotbar change 2

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2nd macro "Test2"

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/micon "True Thrust"
/ac "True Thrust" <t>
/hotbar change 1

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NOTE: could also have used "hotbar change next" and "hotbar change prev" if you are switching between hotbar 1 and 2

You basically have 2 hotbars that are identical except for the spot you put the macro. On one bar you put Test1 and the other you put Test2. They will not flip bars every time you hit the keyboard # its assigned to. The downside is you're basically using 2 bars to do this and if the spell can't be cast just yet, it still flips. Also if you have "happy fingers" and repeatedly press a button when trying to activate this ability, you may end up on a random bar showing.

Edit: I guess now I have created 3 macros and 2 work! 2 out of 3 ain't bad.