Caimie's Diadem Fishing Guide :)

Sorry if this sort of guides have been posted before, but I created this today, both for myself and for others who need it. Hope it helps some people! :o

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EDIT: The guide has been updated with using Patience instead of Patience II. The most important reason is that you can wait for the timer of Patience to expire and use Double Hook. This is better than using Precision Hookset during Patience II. Thanks to Espritduo (Esprit Libre) for the suggestions!

This is great, thank you very much~

Ty for this guide.

So I couldn't catch a single Gobbie Mask in 4 hours. It's annoying. I have pentamelded facet gear. Used Diadem red balloon. AOTF says it is easy to catch... but 0 in 4 hours is just fcked up. Or I'm doing something wrong...?!

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Originally Posted by Shahi

So I couldn't catch a single Gobbie Mask in 4 hours. It's annoying. I have pentamelded facet gear. Used Diadem red balloon. AOTF says it is easy to catch... but 0 in 4 hours is just fcked up. Or I'm doing something wrong...?!

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Definitely something wrong.

My recent records:
Session 1 - 2 Gobbies in 30 min
Session 2 - 5 Gobbies in 40 min
Session 3 - 4 Gobbies in 50 min
Session 4 - 3 Gobbies in 15 min
Session 5 - 1 Gobbie in 5 min, but 0 Gobbies in the next 10 min
... with a rate like this, it makes no sense to not see 1 Gobbie in 4 hours. Hence, definitely something wasn't done right.

I guess we can try a bunch of troubleshooting questions...
- Are you certain you're standing at the right spot?
- Are you using Patience II when Mooch II is on cooldown to increase the chances of Mooching?

Fisher's RNG is just really aggravating sometimes...
It also took me QUITE awhile to get something, and all the while I was wondering if I was doing anything wrong.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Fisher's RNG is just really aggravating sometimes...
It also took me QUITE awhile to get something, and all the while I was wondering if I was doing anything wrong.

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It sure is... I've had 35 min without any Gobbie before (then it showed up on the 40 min mark).
But 4 hours with no Gobbie seems a bit too long even for RNG... unless you're really the most unlucky person...

why patience II? isn't patience I good enough? and isn't II too much of a GP drain?

I never used Patience II. It costs too much GP, too long of a timer, and too high of a failure rate if you try to double hook with it up anyways. You want to be double hooking every single gobbie mask. A single gobbie is a lost gobbie. This means holding your mooches and letting the Patience timer run out so you can freely double hook the gobbie. Some people like taking the risk of double hooking while under Patience if you immediately get a cloud cutter as soon as you put patience up, but I never liked doing that and made out just fine always letting the timer run out. You also shouldn't be wasting your time and GP reeling in anything that isn't a cloud cutter or a gobbie. The points from anything that isn't a gobbie are so small that you waste more time and GP reeling them in than just letting them get away and maximizing gobbie bites only. Unless you want the mats from them or are catching Anomalocaris for the achievements.

Should also mention that 2050 Gathering is the cut off for gobbies never escaping.

EDIT: For reference, during the Restoration, I was averaging 50-60k points per 3 hour session once I settled into my routine. That's 30-40 gobbie masks in 3 hours, or roughly 10-13 per hour. So four hours without any gobbies at all definitely means you were doing something incorrectly.

The use of Patience/Patience II is because it greatly increases chance of Mooching when Mooch II is under down time. I'd rather be actively Mooching under Patience/Patience II rather than keep trying to land an HQ Cloudcutter without success.

I use Patience II instead of Patience because I've had Cloudcutters that were NQ instead of HQ when under Patience. I found if I go Patience II, 100% of the Cloudcutters I get will be HQ. This greatly increases my chance of Mooching.

As for why not using Patience so that I have enough GP for Double Hook, I've had the experience of actually the Gobbie escaping when using Double Hook or Hook under Patience II.

Is 2050 Gathering the cut off for gobbies never escaping under normal condition? Or never escaping under Patience?

I only have 2001 Gathering even when I'm under food. I fine-tuned my stats for MIN/BTN to achieve 2426 gathering/ 2348 perception/ 846 GP to maximize yields (2421/2345 are necessary). So I have no room for melding another 50 Gathering. This probably means I'll have Gobbies escaping if I'm using Hook or Double Hook under either Patience of Patience II.

2050 is the cap for it never escaping under normal conditions. Patience is always going to give you a reduced catch rate that gathering can't get around. Of course using the correct hookset nullifies that reduced rate, so yes if you are using Precision under patience with 2050 gathering, it will never get away.

I just tried Patience again instead of Patience II. The chance of me getting NQ Cloudcutter is actually really low. So Patience is actually enough.

I then tried to Double Hook under Patience, but my Gobbie escaped :( So I guess Precision is NECESSARY for Gobbie even under Patience instead of Patience II.

On the other hand, since the timer of Patience is so much faster than Patience II, it does actually give an edge if the timer runs out before my Mooch so that I can use Double Hook without Patience effect.

But because Patience's timer is so much shorter than Patience II, it's actually quite critical to let "!!" fishes escape to buy more chance for Cloudcutters.

So I just finished testing Patience instead of Patience II for this 1 hour session.
I got 13 Gobbies in 1 hr 15 min... with 1 Double Mooch escaped under Patience, else would have had 1 more if I used Precision instead.
That mean 14 Gobbies in 1 hr 15 min, i.e. 2.8 Gobbies per 15 min.

Just remember that you can hold onto a mooch for as long as you like. Mooch II will wear off after about 15 seconds, but regular mooch never goes away until you do something. Once I get an HQ Cutter on the line, I just wait out the Patience timer and Double Hook the gobbie outside of patience.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

Just remember that you can hold onto a mooch for as long as you like. Mooch II will wear off after about 15 seconds, but regular mooch never goes away until you do something. Once I get an HQ Cutter on the line, I just wait out the Patience timer and Double Hook the gobbie outside of patience.

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I did not know that! I thought Mooch goes off like Mooch II!
Thanks for letting me know! Now that makes more sense to use Patience over Patience II then! And just wait till timer goes off to use Double Hook instead of Precision during timer!
I shall correct the guide soon! Thanks again for explaining the details!

There, the guide has been updated. Thanks again, Espritduo!

Its important to look at both GPs and recast timers.

Patience: Cost 200 GPs, Duration 60 seconds. Increased odds of HQ 40%. +15 base = 55%.

Patience II: Cost 560 GPs, Duration 145 seconds. Increased odds of HQ 75%%. +15 base = 90%.

If you look at the timing P II costs about 70 more GPs than Patience.

Now about those cordials...

Hi-cordial: 400 GPs recast 3 minuets.

Watered Cordial HQ: 200 GPs recast 2 m 6 s.

Cordial: 300 GPs recast 4 m.

Cordial HQ: 350 GPs recast 3 m 36 s.

I never use cordials, Only Hi-cordials and HQ Watered Cordials anymore.

Is there a guide to fishing in Diadem before lvl 80??

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Originally Posted by TinkyWinks

Is there a guide to fishing in Diadem before lvl 80??

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There's really not all that much to Diadem fishing if you're just leveling.

The water areas are for leveling fishing while skyfishing is the level 80 content. Most fishers will congregate on the southwest island since it's got most of the water (including in the underground cave area). The Mender at the entrance sells the baits appropriate for use in the zone - buy the highest level bait your character can use, head for water and start fishing. Don't worry about what you're catching, just catch as much as you can. If you have leveled CUL to at least 30 and unlocked Desynthesis, you'll be able to desynthesize any appraised fish to get approved Skybuilder materials.

I definitely would recommend prioritizing Ocean Voyages for XP when they're available, then switching back to Diadem until it's time for the next voyage.