Should WAR get a skill speed boost?

Mostly copying what I said in another thread, I wondered if this idea would actually be well received or not. Note that this suggestion has nothing to do with job balance/performance, they can reduce potencies to compensate for the increased skill speed for all I care:

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Warrior with a full skill speed build is a lot of fun and makes such a huge difference in engagement and excitement imo. Too bad it's a terrible build meta wise. With huge skill speed I might consider it the most fun tank, without, probably the least. It's strange but I don't have this with other jobs, WAR in particular just feels really great and brutal with high skill speed. Sadly you can't get very high even when you meld full skill speed (at the moment) and your Skill Speed also gets severely nerfed every time you sync (even at Grand Cosmos sync, which is really frustrating).

I wish the job would get an overall skill speed buff like the melees (at cost of some dps potencies perhaps), I just get the feeling that's how it's supposed to be played with how well it flows and it also fits the theme aesthetic.

Note that WAR has the least amount of DPS oGCDs out of all Tanks (and melees) and is generally considered to have the most simple and least engaging dps rotation between melee jobs. I think it's fine they play simple since it sort of fits their aesthetic theme, but having the lack of engagement partly compensated with Skill Speed seems like a great idea imo, and again, WAR in particular feels great at high skill speed compared to other jobs I've tried imo and I think it's due to its berserker nature.

If you got spare gil and time and haven't tried it before, I suggest you melding full skill speed once (trying to get below 2.3 GCD) and try it out, although I'd warn you that it might be tough to go back to meta build once you've got a taste and you might be longing for even more skill speed then. I didn't know it'd make such a difference until I had tried it, not sure if you'd feel the same way though but let me know.

High-skill speed tanks make main tanking increasingly more difficult while trying to maintain GCDs, since you have less time to move the boss in-between GCDs

I second this idea, but we can't just stop there - people often complain that WAR doesn't have enough ogcds compared to the other tanks, right? What better way to fix this, than giving the job some complex, ogcd-based resource management? Of course we can't just make it beast gauge as that's already gcd based - we might as well just re-purpose MP, since WAR has no use for it at the moment. Best make it so both beast gauge and the newly used MP have strong synergy with each other - maybe you could spend one resource to gain the other and vice-versa? This new system could even solve the issues people have with application of Storm's Eye - just make SE automatically maintained as long as you have a certain amount of MP, but also make it constantly drain MP so it's not too easy. If that's too hard, just make it a toggle buff instead.

Make ShB WAR the SB DRK? It's just crazy enough I might love it.

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Originally Posted by Satarn

I second this idea, but we can't just stop there - people often complain that WAR doesn't have enough ogcds compared to the other tanks, right? What better way to fix this, than giving the job some complex, ogcd-based resource management? Of course we can't just make it beast gauge as that's already gcd based - we might as well just re-purpose MP, since WAR has no use for it at the moment. Best make it so both beast gauge and the newly used MP have strong synergy with each other - maybe you could spend one resource to gain the other and vice-versa? This new system could even solve the issues people have with application of Storm's Eye - just make SE automatically maintained as long as you have a certain amount of MP, but also make it constantly drain MP so it's not too easy. If that's too hard, just make it a toggle buff instead.

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I can't tell if you're memeing or not. I'll choose to think that you are.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

Make ShB WAR the SB DRK? It's just crazy enough I might love it.

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I mean, it's only fair, right?

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Originally Posted by Satarn

I mean, it's only fair, right?

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i mean...not really? lol

If that was the case they should of just kept DRK the way it was right?

Axes are all about momentum, right? They should start with an intrinsically slower GCD on WAR. Instead of a damage up buff on eye, they should just build up stacks of a skill speed buff that make you faster and faster and then get consumed when you do a big attack like IC.

That's how you do fast differently.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Axes are all about momentum, right? They should start with an intrinsically slower GCD on WAR. Instead of a damage up buff on eye, they should just build up stacks of a skill speed buff that make you faster and faster and then get consumed when you do a big attack like IC.

That's how you do fast differently.

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As a warrior main I’d be down with this blend of war and monk style of play.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Axes are all about momentum, right? They should start with an intrinsically slower GCD on WAR. Instead of a damage up buff on eye, they should just build up stacks of a skill speed buff that make you faster and faster and then get consumed when you do a big attack like IC.

That's how you do fast differently.

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That sounds… genuinely interesting, and thats why it wont see the light.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

As a warrior main I’d be down with this blend of war and monk style of play.

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Making ShB WAR more like SB DRK is 100% gonna make me go WAR next tier.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

Making ShB WAR more like SB DRK is 100% gonna make me go WAR next tier.

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All the tanks were real good and fun during SB.
I'd kill for that back.

So I've been thinking what it is exactly that makes it so enjoyable for WAR, and I think it's Beast Gauge management and Storm's eye edging that gets more fun as skill speed increases with WAR. You have less brandwidth to plan it out and it makes it feel much more like a rush.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

All the tanks were real good and fun during SB.
I'd kill for that back.

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Yeah but we lost that. Well.. WAR and DRK lost that. PLD is only improving with each expansion. WAR's getting more and more simplified to make it more appealing, as before it was Dig Bick DPS of the tanks... which it no longer is. DRK was it's own thing, and playing it well took effort and skill... which was gutted and made so redundant.

Here's a WAR/DRK complaint comment. PLD's got two DoTs, one on the GCD and one on a recast. GNB's both are gated by recast.
Why doesn't WAR have one? Why's DRK's gated both by a recast and a resource cost?

WAR would need a rework to its kit for skill speed to work in a flow stand point. This is NOT to say I disagree with WAR moving forward pivoting towards a SKS tank that hits hard when it goes through a solid ramp up.
Each Tank has a sub theme to them with GNB being a OGCD weaver style giving it a feel of being fast paced but not being overly fast in GCD stand point.
DRK is built completely on always using an OGCD while PLD has an identity of ranged supremecy.
WAR doesn't have an identity outside of DH/CRIT but that has been problematic to rely on since its inception. Its either way too strong, or way too weak. I don't think completely ruining the DH/CRIT would need to be removed, but toned down as a reward for the skill speed of WAR as a pinnacle pay off ( a requirement to EARN Inner Release so to speak).
From personal preference I really enjoyed WAR back in SB when my AST feed me arrows as no one in my static ever wanted the darn things except maybe my BRD.