Developer Ingenuity (Can I Have It?)

Greetings!

If you happen to have completed more than one job quest line you will notice that the MAJORITY of them share the same "Corrupted by power" theme in some form or fashion.

All they've done really when you think about it is go the lazy route and re-skin the quests to with "BLM," "PLD," etc NPC's and reuse the same "Corrupted by power" hoopla. Granted they have different "Walls-o-text" and what have you, but the underlying theme is exactly the same, like it was done by the guy that decided to copy & paste the dungeon walls from The Dzemael Darkhold straight into The Aurum Vale just to save time (Probably why they didn't post a video of it either.).

That being said, going forward, can the dev's at least put forth some effort into the work which they make?

Final Fantasy games are known for having an epic storyline, not something that seems reskinned & lazily done to just save time & get the product out. I mean you have an entire team that makes their living writing stories, yet all that they come up with is using the same underlying theme on EVERY job quest?

Show some ingenuity & effort in what you do SE! Lately it seems your letting the players develop the game for you by asking for feedback and having all these surveys instead of doing the research yourselves. Yes player feedback is nice, but you should know what's hot & what's not without having to heavily rely on players telling you.
Feedback should be INCORPORATED into what you develop, not become the only thing you use.

I think a lot of what we're getting is still tanaka work, just a bit tweek by yoshida, we all hope this will change coming 2.0.

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

Greetings!

If you happen to have completed more than one job quest line you will notice that EVERY one of them shares the same "Corrupted by power" theme in some form or fashion.

All they've done really when you think about it is go the lazy route and re-skin the quests to with "BLM," "PLD," etc NPC's and reuse the same "Corrupted by power" hoopla. Granted they have different "Walls-o-text" and what have you, but the underlying theme is exactly the same, like it was done by the guy that decided to copy & paste the dungeon walls from The Dzemael Darkhold straight into The Arum Vale just to save time (Probably why they didn't post a video of it either.).

That being said, going forward, can the dev's at least put forth some effort into the work which they make?

Final Fantasy games are known for having an epic storyline, not something that seems reskinned & lazily done to just save time & get the product out. I mean you have an entire team that makes their living writing stories, yet all that they come up with is using the same underlying theme on EVERY job quest?

Show some ingenuity & effort in what you do SE! Lately it seems your letting the players develop the game for you by asking for feedback and having all these surveys instead of doing the research yourselves. Yes player feedback is nice, but you should know what's hot & what's not without having to heavily rely on players telling you.
Feedback should be INCORPORATED into what you develop, not become the only thing you use.

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Pretty sure whm quest was about the elemental's wanting to just protect the forest and the pld's just fighting/protecting for who ever runs uldah. Maybe i read them wrong.

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

Greetings!

If you happen to have completed more than one job quest line you will notice that EVERY one of them shares the same "Corrupted by power" theme in some form or fashion.

All they've done really when you think about it is go the lazy route and re-skin the quests to with "BLM," "PLD," etc NPC's and reuse the same "Corrupted by power" hoopla. Granted they have different "Walls-o-text" and what have you, but the underlying theme is exactly the same, like it was done by the guy that decided to copy & paste the dungeon walls from The Dzemael Darkhold straight into The Aurum Vale just to save time (Probably why they didn't post a video of it either.).

That being said, going forward, can the dev's at least put forth some effort into the work which they make?

Final Fantasy games are known for having an epic storyline, not something that seems reskinned & lazily done to just save time & get the product out. I mean you have an entire team that makes their living writing stories, yet all that they come up with is using the same underlying theme on EVERY job quest?

Show some ingenuity & effort in what you do SE! Lately it seems your letting the players develop the game for you by asking for feedback and having all these surveys instead of doing the research yourselves. Yes player feedback is nice, but you should know what's hot & what's not without having to heavily rely on players telling you.
Feedback should be INCORPORATED into what you develop, not become the only thing you use.

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At first I was going to troll this, telling you every game has a certain theme/archetype to it, but then you brought up a well-written point: the Final Fantasy series; that while there are always similar themes/archetypes (Cid, Chocobo, Summons, Jobs/Classes), they fulfilled different stories in ways they don't in this game so far.

What?! An underlying theme in a set of quests that were released simultaneously? Blasphemy!

OP, did you also feel like Avatar was lazy work since Dances with Wolves, The Last Samurai, Ferngully, etc. existed before it?

Well when the majority of the quests share the same theme, yes I call that shoddy workmanship.

the blk quest...oh hold on

SPOILER

ok

the black quest has the big bad mage show up and tell you that the gate to the void is weakening and that you are the only one who can fix the problem.

so after meeting up with the other tribes you go around and kill certain monsters to spill their blood and get a new spell.

well you find out that the mage was lying to you the whole time and that you were actually helping him open the gate for his evil deeds.

THEN after you kill the blk boss, you find out that he WASANT evil and wanted to right the wrong that he made in the past (yes he wanted more power but not after what happened to his friends), and he needed someone to help open the gate so he chose you. (do the quest if you want the full details of the story)

END SPOILER

does that sound like your copy pasta power story to you?

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

Well when the majority of the quests share the same theme, yes I call that shoddy workmanship.

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There's more to each quest than the motif you mention. I for one, despite acknowledging this very motif, enjoyed each and every one of the 7 job questlines thoroughly.

You actually read the stories?

The Bard Quest was about a wimp becoming a man again. Hardly fits into the corrupted by power theme.

When the OP gets a chance, can you mark your opening post up with SPOILERS!!!.

And re: Avatar, I think I enjoyed Dances with Wolves ("Leave my wolf alone!") and Last Samurai more ("Raz Aghoul: 'He died a gude death'").

Re: epic storylines. I don't really see how the MMO FF games can have a super epic storyline, when our characters usually watch other characters taking the spotlight. Our characters mostly nod, look on in horror, run up to something to look up in horror, and convey our thoughts when the screen is blacked out.

PLD quest....uh which one corrupted by power???

SPOILERS

DRG's quest: setup to Ishgard and battle with the dragons
WHM's quest: setup to Black Shroud change of appearance (coming calamity)
BLM's quest: ???
PLD quest: typical struggle of hierarchy and control of power
BRD quest: man becoming confident again
WAR quest: ???

Have not finished the WAR or BLM quests yet, in fact haven't touched the WAR quests yet. But while they are all good vs. evil is that not the concept for all RPGs?

Silly thread is silly.

FFXIV =/= 2.0. They are two different games in design, story, and content. Well maybe not content since its being ported over, but for the most part 2.0 is a different beast altogether. All complaints about FFXIV story/design wise are *almost* pointless since 2.0 is essentially a different game. The changes made to FFXIV are mostly for

1) content, which will be ported over.

2) Wrapping up the story (which will not be in 2.0 btw)

3) Just giving us shit to do/try before 2.0

In other words you need to think of the games as entirely different and entirely separate. A criticism of FFXIV is *not* a criticism of 2.0, and vice versa. This is a long way of saying it is a waste of time/energy to criticize FFXIV *unless* you are talking specifically about content that is being ported over (jobs/classes/dungeons/gear/etc). Story content is not being ported over, so the complaint is more or less moot. They're scrapping the current story and adding a new storyline in 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Re: epic storylines. I don't really see how the MMO FF games can have a super epic storyline, when our characters usually watch other characters taking the spotlight. Our characters mostly nod, look on in horror, run up to something to look up in horror, and convey our thoughts when the screen is blacked out.

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This was the case in the main scenario (which sucks), but the job quests have your character actively taking a role in things. The last couple of Paladin quests and the last Dragoon quest are good examples. The Monk line is similar. The main scenario sucks because your character doesn't do anything and they had to accommodate crafter/gatherers.

As far as all of the quests having the corrupted by power theme I'd disagree. The paladin quest, at least, is about a man who thinks he's been betrayed by one of his heroes. That pain blinds him to the truth. Rather than being corrupted by his new-found power (position as captain of the sultansworn paladins), he feels inadequate when compared to his predecessor.

I could be wrong about all that though cause it's been a while since I read the quest text. There are certainly some common themes in job quests. Dragoon and Monk both deal with vengeance. Bard and Black Mage are about redemption and guilt. That's not necessarily a bad thing though.

There are certainly some underlying themes in a few of them. Vengeance is there in the dragoon and monk stories

At times I feel like we're paying them to let us beta test 2.0 concepts.... I don't like how that feels, but I'm dumb enough to keep playing.

I don't know what job quests you've completed. If I'm playing version 1.0, maybe you're playing version 0.0.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

At times I feel like we're paying them to let us beta test 2.0 concepts.... I don't like how that feels, but I'm dumb enough to keep playing.

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Thats exactly what you're doing. Idk I kept playing cuz I like to see and experience change as it happens. I thought it'd be cool to see how things changed over time, and be a part of it.

Rayna is summoning meteor and i can't find my white materia ; ;

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

Rayna is summoning meteor and i can't find my white materia ; ;

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Then use your black materia to summon another meteor to throw into the first meteor so both will break into little meteor pieces and never hit Hydaelyn..?:D

Back to topic:
I don't know what you call a good storyline, OP, but at least I think not the underlying theme is important but what you do with it.
There is actually NO topic humans can think of which some sick freak hasn't written a story about.
Final Fantasy is even pretty wellknown for always using the same good vs. evil theme, 4 elements, corrupted by power, still I never found the stories to be boring or recyceld, because the skill isn't to find a topic no one has written about yet but to write a original, interesting story with an underlying theme that is wellknown :)

The AF stories are exactly this, very different stories with some interesting turns, regardless of some sharing the underlying theme of 'corrupted by power'.
Especially the end of the BLM quest was awesome. I also really liked Jehantel's struggle with himself.
I gathered the verses of Althyk's hymn and they are such a great reflection of how he feels as the story progresses.
Sure, he once got corrupted by power, but that's not what the story is about.

For me the issue with the job quests is that they are all basically the same content wise.

Go kill NM, Go kill NM, Run Dungeon + Areas, Go Kill NM ect.

The only difference is that the content rotates.

For example, after completing 2 Job storylines, you know exactly what the pattern is for the others.

While i do appreciate that the last fights are very different to one another, i would of liked if they had thrown in an escort or defend this zone quest to give the quests more individuality. They seem too identical for me. Like i knew exactly where I had to go / what I had to do before I was even upto that stage.

Storys and cutscenes were nice though.