Still needs more wards

this is the situation in every plot at all times.
your idea for more wards were nice, but we either need you to max out the wards, or instance our housing

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"your idea for more wards were nice", can't wait to hear people say this IF (I doubt) they add more wards, and people yet somehow can't get a house. Great 10000th topic about the same crap.

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Originally Posted by Leloa

"your idea for more wards were nice", can't wait to hear people say this IF (I doubt) they add more wards, and people yet somehow can't get a house. Great 10000th topic about the same crap.

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less populated servers have empty wards still. all this means is that some servers need more wards, and some dont need as many as they have. there should be an algorithm to randomly generate a ward when there is zero housing available. housing shouldn't be a competition like it is now.

More wards would be splendid.

More wards they end up getting bought out in hours people will complain about the lack of housing again. Seems legit.

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Originally Posted by NightWolf04

less populated servers have empty wards still. all this means is that some servers need more wards, and some dont need as many as they have. there should be an algorithm to randomly generate a ward when there is zero housing available. housing shouldn't be a competition like it is now.

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Theyve said in the past that they cant do this. Because of the way things are, every world has to have the same active zones. The north american servers are full, but there are hundreds of open european and japanese server houses. They dont like to add more wards when a lot of their servers dont have the need. That isnt to say that they wont add more(or that they arent working on some other changes behind the scenes that we havent heard about), but they are very unlikely to add dynamic wards.

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Originally Posted by Awha

More wards they end up getting bought out in hours people will complain about the lack of housing again. Seems legit.

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I sense a cycle

We need more ways to remove inactive homes. I know people with 3 homes per account somehow I’ve seen whole lines of homes owned by 1 person and many many inactive FCs just wasting the plot

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I sense a cycle

We need more ways to remove inactive homes. I know people with 3 homes per account somehow I’ve seen whole lines of homes owned by 1 person and many many inactive FCs just wasting the plot

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Unfortunately, at least most those folks were grandfathered into the current system from back before it was actually against the rules to do that (If there's an exploit that allows that now I'm unfamiliar with it.). Square doesn't want to punish them since they weren't breaking the rules at the time, so they get to keep their multiple houses. It was a huge discussion/debate back when they made the changes. Primarily because a lot of people were frothing at the mouth over some people who bought out entire wards, and those without houses wanted the extras taken away from them.

I just want two particular "FC's" on Gilgamesh to have all their "houses" demolished.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I sense a cycle

We need more ways to remove inactive homes. I know people with 3 homes per account somehow I’ve seen whole lines of homes owned by 1 person and many many inactive FCs just wasting the plot

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Question how do we know the FC plot is going to waste? One persons use case may not fit the same as another. I currently own a Large plot and I have nothing in it, and have one simply because I was lucked out and checked the timer and was able to buy it. Though I have a plot now in case I ever want to use it.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Question how do we know the FC plot is going to waste? One persons use case may not fit the same as another. I currently own a Large plot and I have nothing in it, and have one simply because I was lucked out and checked the timer and was able to buy it. Though I have a plot now in case I ever want to use it.

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It's usually super easy to tell. I once found a med house owned by an FC. There wasn't a single thing inside the house. Upon searching the FC using the Lodestone, I found it was owned by 4 members, all below lv 15 with just one class open. This FC had existed at that time for about four years. Seems like a waste to me...

I don't begrudge players with personal homes that go unused. You might indeed use it one day. But an FC house should not be in the same category as a "one day, when I'm super bored" personal. It's meant for use, because an inactive FC home that's owned by players who haven't even unlocked a chocobo and haven't made any progress on said chocobo for YEARS is not really an FC. It's a thumbtack that can't be removed used by players ( or more likely, A player) to simply "own."

FC standards as they are now harm the playerbase.

needs more wards that aren't preferentially locked off for FC's and people who already own a damn house to completely fill before any newcomers can even attempt it, and removing the random wait timer so there aren't swarms of bots sniping the old lots for FC resale (because they dont need sleep and normal people don't have the time to stand in one place mashing menu navigations for whatever arbitrary time the server releases it unannounced)

Does the game mention that an FC house is meant to be used? If something states that it is meant to be used, does it also mention what being used means? I have alts across many servers and I have many personal FC's I use as a bank and a few of them have homes for the simple reason if I ever feel like expanding I have an FC house in waiting. If that standard fits for personal plots, why is the sake standard not allowed for an FC which is simply a collection of individual players?

FC standards only harm players that feel the need to push their own standards on others. To you an empty plot may not be in use, but to the owner of that FC wanted a place they could call their own just for the sake of calling it their own. May not meet your standard of use, but if it serves their intended purpose for buying the plot that to me seems like a case of it being used.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Does the game mention that an FC house is meant to be used? If something states that it is meant to be used, does it also mention what being used means? I have alts across many servers and I have many personal FC's I use as a bank and a few of them have homes for the simple reason if I ever feel like expanding I have an FC house in waiting.

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There it is. That's the problem right there. The FC standards are actually, more accurately, a lack of standards. The game is infamous for all the stuff that it doesn't explain and to imply the housing system as it is, which is more or less as it was when created, does a perfect job of telling players how things are and how they're supposed to be is just...

i'm pretty sure "a place to call your own" is a singular, especially when some content is literally gated behind having and using one (airships, submarines, chocobos, plant breeding, etc). being the guy who's asking "why can't i have all these yachts to myself to fill this dock and block everyone else from fishing?" is a super weird outlook, especially when others would love to actually make use of the potential things sitting neglected there (DOUBLE especially when people have several basically just to flex), or themselves would like "a place to call your own".

In the end people are projecting their own standards creating a view that has not been officially stated by the ones who created the system.

We as players can object to what players do in game, but at the end of the day if they are operating within the ruleset provided by those overlooking the service that is on them and personal issues aside saying that they do not need or questioning the use case is quite frankly no one business.

Boils down to those that do not have wanting to impose some self standard on those in hopes of creating equality which cannot exist, and if SE wanted equality they would have added an instance system long ago.

As an example following the so called standards voiced in this thread, I still have the FC and FC house from when I started playing back in '17. The members of that FC no longer play, and I barely ever log on that toon to play. Should I be forced to give up that FC plot because it is not in use by the standards listed by some in the thread? What if my use case does not fit that standard, what if the idea of keeping the FC and plot of the community I started playing FFXIV with is my intent and sole purpose of maintaining the plot. I am using it in my eyes, and I have had people complain about the lack of use being as it is a large plot on a heavily populated server. Still I am using it as I see fit.

I think people should stop trying to force a subjective standard on others. I go based off what SE states and enforces that is the only objective standard we can go by.

It should be one house per account. Either one FC house or one personal house. To people who own multiple houses need to relinquish their extra houses or loose them. There’s no excuse why anyone should own 2 houses or more. Especially since there is a limit to them.

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could you not simply combine all your separate FCs into one by removing/reinviting those who are in them (provided those aren't empty just for a house)? you can invite your own characters to an FC you own by having at least one other person with the authorization to invite people (or those alts), and would presumably also save bookkeeping by having your "bank" in one place rather than scattered by character.
what would you even need a bunch of separate FCs (that you're in an ownership position for the house) for when you could just have the one larger one, which would also give any other members more folks to talk to/play with?

I mean going "the devs put rocketlaunchers in the game so why shouldnt i abuse it to the detriment of everyone around me, them disliking my playstyle is projecting their values onto me" is fine and all in a competitive game (even if not a good look for that person), but i can't really wrap my head around doing so in an MMO with such a finite resource.

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Originally Posted by Awha

As an example following the so called standards voiced in this thread, I still have the FC and FC house from when I started playing back in '17. The members of that FC no longer play, and I barely ever log on that toon to play. Should I be forced to give up that FC plot because it is not in use by the standards listed by some in the thread? What if my use case does not fit that standard, what if the idea of keeping the FC and plot of the community I started playing FFXIV with is my intent and sole purpose of maintaining the plot. I am using it in my eyes, and I have had people complain about the lack of use being as it is a large plot on a heavily populated server. Still I am using it as I see fit.

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Sounds like an extremely selfish reason to hold onto a plot. You're holding onto something that if you stop and consider, was something that made you feel accomplished/happy to have gotten, holding onto it doesn't preserve your memories, they're already there. Now I imagine a FC would like that plot, or even someone, by arbitrarily holding onto that plot for your own selfish reasons, you could instead potentially make a group or possible individual feel accomplished or even happy at that. IDK maybe it's just the fact there's a certain individual who owns 50+ plots on my server and is taking up space arbitrarily because 1 billion plus gil isn't enough in this game, I get frustrated with those who don't actively play on said account that they own a plot on and do nothing with. Deleting the plot or whatever won't take away your memories they'll always be there. Just my 2 cents.

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Sounds like an extremely selfish reason to hold onto a plot. You're holding onto something that if you stop and consider, was something that made you feel accomplished/happy to have gotten, holding onto it doesn't preserve your memories, they're already there. Now I imagine a FC would like that plot, or even someone, by arbitrarily holding onto that plot for your own selfish reasons, you could instead potentially make a group or possible individual feel accomplished or even happy at that. IDK maybe it's just the fact there's a certain individual who owns 50+ plots on my server and is taking up space arbitrarily because 1 billion plus gil isn't enough in this game, I get frustrated with those who don't actively play on said account that they own a plot on and do nothing with. Deleting the plot or whatever won't take away your memories they'll always be there. Just my 2 cents.

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Sure it may be selfish but is that a bad thing? Wanting a plot in itself can be seen as selfish, it is not a bad thing but way I see it why should ones desire to own a plot have more value then another because it is hard to come by.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Sure it may be selfish but is that a bad thing? Wanting a plot in itself can be seen as selfish, it is not a bad thing but way I see it why should ones desire to own a plot have more value then another because it is hard to come by.

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I mean fair point. Though you said it yourself, you hardly login to that particular character. I literally see no reason to hold onto the plot.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Sure it may be selfish but is that a bad thing? Wanting a plot in itself can be seen as selfish, it is not a bad thing but way I see it why should ones desire to own a plot have more value then another because it is hard to come by.

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I think these FCs who don't even have a small house are more entitled and selfish than solo players who own FC houses.

The solo player had to grind out the FCs/gil and put in the effort to buy FC houses from the system or other players.

FCs with multiple members have no excuse why they don't even have an FC with a small house.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Sure it may be selfish but is that a bad thing?

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Many topics in this forum seem to frequently confuse ethics and morals with rules. Being selfish is not against the rules. A majority of these housing posts end up being a question of morality, but that's about it. Nobody can tell you the right or wrong way to own, operate, or even hold a plot.

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Originally Posted by k99

Many topics in this forum seem to frequently confuse ethics and morals with rules. Being selfish is not against the rules. A majority of these housing posts end up being a question of morality, but that's about it. Nobody can tell you the right or wrong way to own, operate, or even hold a plot.

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i agree, personally I try not to push my own ethics or morals on another person because they differ from person to person, that is why this entire issue confuses me why some people feel the need to push their own standards on others. If it is not against the rules, why blame or even advocate for the for the retroactive removal of plots because some people may feel it is "unfair" or breaks some weird moral code between players.

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Originally Posted by EthanXdeath

I mean fair point. Though you said it yourself, you hardly login to that particular character. I literally see no reason to hold onto the plot.

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That is the thing you may see no reason for it, but I do.

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Sure it may be selfish but is that a bad thing?

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I'm sorry, what? Yes. Yes it is a bad thing to be selfish and hoard things that you are both not using (wasting the potential of) and actively depriving others of for a finite resource simply because you can.
Like am I having a stroke? Is this not planet earth right now?

edit: I'm gonna bow out now before I get too heated--I'm having an out of body experience trying to wrap my head around the Pale Man (pan's labyrinth) viewpoint going on.

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I'm sorry, what? Yes. Yes it is a bad thing to be selfish and hoard things that you are both not using (wasting the potential of) and actively depriving others of for a finite resource simply because you can.
Like am I having a stroke? Is this not planet earth right now?

edit: I'm gonna bow out now before I get too heated--I'm having an out of body experience trying to wrap my head around the Pale Man (pan's labyrinth) viewpoint going on.

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Everyone is selfish my man, we live in a world of finite resources, kind of life. As the saying goes do not hate the player hate the game.