Reflooding the Tempest?

Are we ever going to be able to let the Ondo have their water back? They seem pretty chill about it, all things considered, but there's a bunch of questlines about how lack of water is making them extremely endangered. Since there are quests down there and you need to preserve the ability to walk around and have gameplay in the Tempest, are the Ondo screwed forever because we got Bismarck to blow out all their water?

Time as shown in the game doesn't progress in the way that time within the story does. We won't ever see the Tempest flooded but it will happen. We're told that the bubble is temporary and will fade in time.

Like Emet-Selch's phantasmal Amaurot, it's a temporary effect that will disappear with time.

Alas, it's liable to remain indefinitely for gameplay purposes.

I doubt it will happen for a year at least...and that'd be a year after the story ends to boot.Sames for the Replica of Aumarot

EDIT: I mgiht eb proven wronf by he fending though, as the effects seemed to be immediate, but that doens't explain oneof the post 5.0 MSQ dungeons though.

Never? It's classed as an open-world zone, so for gameplay purposes it will remain intact indefinetely as it needs to be for players who have just reached that area to access. There's not going to be any major changes to it to refect G'raha Tia's comment in the ending that Bismarck's air bubble and the "lights of the phantom Amaurot" will fade in time.

Same with Vauthry's fake heaven and the giant Talos in the background of Kolhusia will eventually fall back to earth as well in time as the aetherial incantations placed on them wind down as time passes, but you'll never see it happen as it's too far in the future for the purposes of gameplay.

I get that it's "never" for gameplay reasons. Just kinda crappy thing to do to a whole civilization already on the brink of extinction from the Flood. Maybe they could do player phasing such that part of the Tempest becomes a swimming zone to show that it's slowly coming back.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

I get that it's "never" for gameplay reasons. Just kinda crappy thing to do to a whole civilization already on the brink of extinction from the Flood.

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But that's the thing. It's "never" for gameplay. Just like Ishgard's main street has never been cleared of rubble and people back in ARR areas have never moved on from whatever it is they were doing when you first arrived in the town.

Time as viewed in the game is, quite simply, weird. You're seeing a snapshot of a place at a particular moment in time, unless the plot moves a specific thing forwards.

Even on the occasions where the game world is altered, physical objects and rules remain in place so everyone you can see is functioning in the same space you're in. You couldn't have a swimming zone for some players where others see dry land or open air.

Is it worth turning the Temptest permanently into an underwater level? I'm guessing players would be unhappy about losing the ability to walk around Amaurot.

Imagine the catastrophic results when the air bubble collaps and tempest gets flooded again.
Million and billions litres of water fall down and flow into the air bubble.
The weight of falling water and the destructive flow back.
The sand, stones, etc that gets moved by it will form deadly projectiles and every living being is in between them.
It will bring death and destruction to everyone and everything.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Is it worth turning the Temptest permanently into an underwater level? I'm guessing players would be unhappy about losing the ability to walk around Amaurot.

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The bigger problem is probably that we dont have underwater combat but a whole lot of achievements that are tied to having FATEs in The Tempest - FATE-vendor, special FATE-chain with bossfight and achievement... there are also hunts there (both daily and B, A and S-ranks).

Trading walking around for swimming around I could see - just making those achievments unobtainable or revamping all of that... not so much.

You'd also run into the problem Iscah described earlier: They would have to re-write the end of Shadowbringers to turn The Tempest into an underwater level or otherwise those who are just approaching Hades will see people "fly-swim" in the air and those who've brought the water back will see people running around on the ocean floor.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

Just kinda crappy thing to do to a whole civilization already on the brink of extinction from the Flood.

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I dont know. I kinda dont trust the ondo(or any other sahagin). There are a few in-game reasons for this, but i havent spent enough time thinking about it to have a working theory(let alone one i could easily explain). Just a vague distrust. And as a tribe i dont trust, im fine with them being at less then full strength.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

But that's the thing. It's "never" for gameplay. Just like Ishgard's main street has never been cleared of rubble and people back in ARR areas have never moved on from whatever it is they were doing when you first arrived in the town.

Time as viewed in the game is, quite simply, weird. You're seeing a snapshot of a place at a particular moment in time, unless the plot moves a specific thing forwards.

Even on the occasions where the game world is altered, physical objects and rules remain in place so everyone you can see is functioning in the same space you're in. You couldn't have a swimming zone for some players where others see dry land or open air.

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I like that after Stormblood, the Refugees in Pearl Lane react to being able to go back home, but... they never will. Instead of lying on a filthy rug, now the woman's standing on it : D

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Originally Posted by Frizze

I dont know. I kinda dont trust the ondo(or any other sahagin). There are a few in-game reasons for this, but i havent spent enough time thinking about it to have a working theory(let alone one i could easily explain). Just a vague distrust. And as a tribe i dont trust, im fine with them being at less then full strength.

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The Sahagin are probably one of the most trustworthy beast tribes out there. Especially in comparison to the Sylphs, Moogles, and Pixies. The Sahagin just don't have a face that looks like you can trust them, and are basically walking, talking piranhas so I get it lol.

They care so much for their brood and good relations between them and "finless ones". They are the only beast tribe I can recall at this time that have actually rescued and returned those not of their kin back to safety. Other BT's like those adorable Sylphs are more than happy to accept the fates of those who enter the Shroud without any intervention.

TBH, I think the more cute a beast tribe is, the more likely they are to kill you in your sleep. Friggin' Pixies will just turn some random passerby into a leafman just for kicks, effectively killing that person.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

The Sahagin are probably one of the most trustworthy beast tribes out there. Especially in comparison to the Sylphs, Moogles, and Pixies. The Sahagin just don't have a face that looks like you can trust them, and are basically walking, talking piranhas so I get it lol.

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Im not saying that i would trust a moogle any further then i could kick one, or that i would ever turn my back on a pixie. Its specifically the way the sahagin have been used in the story. During the leviathan arc of the MSQ we see their head priest die, then use an echo-like power to jump his consciousness into another body. Where exactly did they learn this trick? During the most recent dungeon, we see (seemingly)low-level sahagin channeling aether into ancient crystals and calling forth all manner of badness to stop us from interfering. Who taught them that? And how did they know which crystals to use? The ondo talk about/act as stewards of the ancient ones? (This one i may be misremembering from the MSQ, but its why they wanted a lamp from not-gerolt.) No one else aside from us on the first knows anyone more ancient then the Ronkas. I get the feeling that we're gonna see a reveal at some point that the sahagin were created back during the amorautine days as a servant race. Its possible that the terminus event wasnt summoning as many sea-horrors as it was land horrors(one notable exception of course), and they could have survived that way. Once the land is flooded, they probly left the ancient structures because of the memory of what was lost - only to then lose THAT memory over time and come back to the structures eons later.

I might be wrong about all of this, and its not a super coherent theory. But... i dont trust the sahagin.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

During the leviathan arc of the MSQ we see their head priest die, then use an echo-like power to jump his consciousness into another body. Where exactly did they learn this trick?

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Elidibus is explicitly stated to be the one who taught the priest how to gain the Echo.

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During the most recent dungeon, we see (seemingly)low-level sahagin channeling aether into ancient crystals and calling forth all manner of badness to stop us from interfering. Who taught them that? And how did they know which crystals to use?

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Experimentation is what I'd put this down to. The Benthos discovered Anamnesis Anyder and decided to make it a new spawning ground in preparation for their invasion of Kholusia. They probably were exploring and testing their new base. Note that the Benthos are a different set of Ondo to the ones we assosciate with in the MSQ.

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The ondo talk about/act as stewards of the ancient ones? (This one i may be misremembering from the MSQ, but its why they wanted a lamp from not-gerolt.) No one else aside from us on the first knows anyone more ancient then the Ronkas. I get the feeling that we're gonna see a reveal at some point that the sahagin were created back during the amorautine days as a servant race. Its possible that the terminus event wasnt summoning as many sea-horrors as it was land horrors(one notable exception of course), and they could have survived that way. Once the land is flooded, they probly left the ancient structures because of the memory of what was lost - only to then lose THAT memory over time and come back to the structures eons later.

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The Ondo found and settled in the ruins of Amaurot after fleeing the destruction of their old homes in the wake of the Flood of Light. They then began to 'give thanks' to the ancient beings who created such structures that gave them safety and shelter, which became a ritual over the 100 years since. Because the buildings were so strong and well-preserved, they came to the conclusion that they were chosen to be 'stewards' of the place until the true owners returned. A belief that seemingly comes to fruition when the Ruins deep in the Caliban Gorge spring to life.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

I get that it's "never" for gameplay reasons. Just kinda crappy thing to do to a whole civilization already on the brink of extinction from the Flood. Maybe they could do player phasing such that part of the Tempest becomes a swimming zone to show that it's slowly coming back.

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I was just going to say, this would definitely require phasing of some sort. Is that in this game already?

For new players or new characters accessing The Tempest for the first time, they would see it as it is now. But for players and characters that already completed ShB, they would get a phased version of The Tempest, where Amaurot was gone. Some other MMOs do stuff like that.

Did the Magitek in Ala Mhigo stop to burn?

And these are just visuals, which would not affect gameplay at all, if it would be changed.