Ishgard housing, "different" ? Housing fixed?

I have been seeing some things said around here and there, and now I saw this and started to think.


How many people would be upset, or how many people would be happy, if Ishgard housing was different from the rest?

I am aware there is a lot of speculation as to how and when this housing district is going to be opened, but it is clearly housing.

Based on this picture:

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...108b11e4d8.jpg

The Ishgard housing has the exact same "layout" as the other districts in the amount of larges, mediums and smalls.

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There is speculation that its possible Ishgard might be the first fully instanced housing district?

This means, the visual side of Ishgard might be purely NPC based, and the players will get, hopefully an entirely unrestricted housing district?

What I mean, is I'm speculating that Ishgard, might have "unlimited" plots, but it will not allow players to have a "neighborhood" like you would in the other districts.

Or more simply put. Visiting the neighborhood, will be the NPC housing area, but you enter an instanced menu to visit individual players houses much like how apartments work, but a single outside and inside plot, similar to mog houses and the outdoor area in FFXI?



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How many people would hate this concept of "no neighbors," and how many players would welcome "unlimited" plots?

Or is this way off the mark in some peoples minds?

Here is a picture of an already existing house in the Firmament, that is clearly not owned by any player.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...7e38b770d9.jpg

Personally, I think Ishgard is the perfect place to add this "individual plot" instanced housing.

It ties perfectly with the lore.
The NPC's are having this built, so they have homes due to the Dragonsong war.

Ishgard is designed in such a way a single plot by itself make sense.
The house can be just a plateau with a stairway leading to the plot of land, that is off to the side of the central housing district.

It could also be the "final reward" to the player/world/server for their efforts in restoring the housing district.
"Thank you so much for your efforts Warrior of Light, here is a specially made plot for you and you alone, if you so choose to purchase it. We saved it just for you."

Those are just my thoughts. I also would very much welcome this concept.

That's an interesting thought. I hadn't heard that particular speculation before. I personally have no great and overwhelming urge to live in Ishgard, but if it turns into that kind of setup that would be cool, and would go a very long way towards addressing the larger housing issues. And, if true, it could provide a good template for other new places like Doma or other places. Not sure how they'd retcon the current wards in that case, but still.

I'm not going to particularly hold my breath that it'll happen that way, but a shift over to housing that adjusts itself to the server population would be a wonderful thing if they can manage it.

I think some people are projecting what they personally want, but I have no doubt this is just going to be a case of same system different dressing. The only thing new is the build up to its release.

I find it a bit strange they show the houses on the housing plots but that might just be a part of the firmament construction showing people what they are building. Would be nice if they instanced that area but I doubt it'll be different from the other areas but one never knows. At the least I hope they have upgradeable apartment they once talked about coming as a part of this update.

Aion had a similar system in which Apartments were instanced and unlimited for players, wheras houses were limited and not. And if you just want a cozy space friends can visit to yourself, you have the option for it.

So, I would very much like for it to be this way.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

How many people would hate this concept of "no neighbors," and how many players would welcome "unlimited" plots?

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If it turns out that all the plots will be instanced, then the number of neighbors players would have would increase dramatically instead of being zero. You would be able to see other players walking along the pathways and other common areas though the houses around your plot would be some generic facade like what we currently see.

At this point, I'm willing to wait and see what the final result is. Even if it turns out to be a standard housing district with wards (and the current area we're working on is a Ward 0 for NPCs), at least it will be an increase to housing that will give more players an opportunity to get a house if they want. And if it does turn out to be instanced instead of a ward system, perhaps it will be a chance for players to get houses for each of their alts without being forced into creating solo FCs to get one for them.

as an owner of a private medium house I would be perfectly fine with turning all private houses into instanced, while keeping the current ward system for FC houses

I actually like the neighborhood-feeling with each garden individual designed by the plotowner and the people hanging out there.

What i believe is a good idea is ... we have Sea of Clouds, a massive amount of small flying islands. Am i the only one who sees the Potential in Instanced flying islands for housing?

If nothing is changed it can tell you how its going to end up ... the will be a maintenance before houses go life ... and then the dice will roll.

Managed to get a day off?
Do you hit the perfect time to be early in queue?
Do you get in the Loby?
Do you get booted from queue?
Do you have incredible long load times?
Will you crash when zoning into the new zone?
Will you pick 1 of the districts that not 100 ppl ran for?

and if you beat those variables, of which you have no direct influence (cept the first)... will you be the fastest? theirs 3 Large ones per ward ... and boy everyone and their mum will run for them.
Fc's will try, solo players will try.

Making Housing "Fair" ... is difficult but first come first serve might be a bad way after a Maintenance.
Our Fc, has a large in Mist and we will try for a house in Ishgard as well, we have a fall back considering we have a plot ... but many dont have that luxury.

If they go by FC first ... thats a huge joke and all the skeleton Fc's with 1 alt in them will buy up plots. Mind you i fully support a "a fc of decent size should have a house" since its a big social aspect.
If they allow relocating, ppl will all move into Ishgard. this will of course also free more plots in other areas but that wont help players who wanted to go to Ishgard.

The hole they dug is deep and all the flextape they use to hold it together is barely doing its job. Players aim for loopholes for personal gain, and SE is not going to punish someone who found a "legal loophole". Thats why some Wards are owned by like 1-2 ppl, or well ... their alts.

Personally i'd love neighbors, maybe make certain wards FC only ... but even then all the fake FC's come crawling in ... you know what theres no cure for this anymore cept a full reboot and that would start a massive complaint from the players ... Flextape anyone? Think we will need it.

I would instantly trade the neighbourhood aspect for a house that never gets demolished.

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Originally Posted by CayaLuna

I would instantly trade the neighbourhood aspect for a house that never gets demolished.

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Same here. I love my medium plot to pieces, and would never consider moving from it under the current system. But if I was given better options for an apartment that would make it the equivalent of my medium in terms of size with a yard of some kind and everything, I would not hesitate to give up my house.

I've been wondering if this housing will be instanced too. The insistence that these houses are for Ishgardians displaced by the war was the first thing that made me speculate. With wards, the unlock quests state clearly that the houses are for adventurers only. Now we have a lot of npcs running around and those little quests where we help some people move in and others where we get to meet the residents.
It feels like they have put too much work in for this to be mere flavour. Plus, it would be so sad if the orphans and war-displaced were unceremoniously booted out at the end of the reconstruction.
"Sorry children, but we had to demolish the orphanage so this adventurer could build their Paissa House!"

So, I'm cautiously optimistic we might get something new with Ishgard. However, nothing definite has been said so far, in fact there hasn't been as much as a hint from the devs, so that 'something' doesn't have to be instanced housing. I really hope it is though.

After having done the little side quests there, the more I can't unsee The Nest is to be occupied by Ishgard citizens, and the WoL will be offered one free plot (instance house) as their appreciation for all our efforts. Is it a wishful thinking? Being too optimistic? It's hard to say since I prefer not to set any expectations on sensitive things like housing. But it really fits the lore so much!

(Additionally, I'm good enough to settle with apartment and FC room. Empty plots aren't so rare in my server too if I really want a house.)

As to answer your questions, I do not mind if SE went away from neighborhood concept for housing. I rarely see other players in the existing wards anyway. However, having the NPC as a potential neighbors would be refreshing... with occasional young dragons visiting the area.

Questing in the Firmament seems to indicate that at least some of the plots are claimed by NPC's already. One of the mediums is an orphanage and one of the smalls has an NPC family living there. So perhaps the entirety of what we see right now will be NPC homes and any player housing there will indeed be instanced. I guess it's just a matter of time till we know for sure.

you know you all are just winding yourselves up for a crashing disappointment lol

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Originally Posted by CayaLuna

I would instantly trade the neighbourhood aspect for a house that never gets demolished.

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+1

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

you know you all are just winding yourselves up for a crashing disappointment lol

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Nope. I've been playing long enough to know that unless the devs explicitly state that something is happening, it's unwise to assume anything (e.g. male viera).
I've said I'm hopeful we're going to get instanced housing and I am, but until we see what's on offer I won't expect it.

But no harm in making a thread to speculate and to say whether we'd welcome instanced housing. I've said numerous times that the neighbourhood doesn't hold any appeal for me. I get to see other people's outdoor furnishings and every week or so I get to wave at random person who might or might not be a neighbour; I just can't get excited about that.
For me, the limitations that neighbourhoods impose don't outweigh or even match the benefits. I'd miss my view of the Mist seafront, but a house that wouldn't be subject to the demolition timer would be very appealing indeed. I'm not planning on taking a break, but lots of things can happen in a person's life to force one. If I was unable to log on for an extended period of time, it would be nice to know my house would still be there.

I'm not really expecting anything out of the ordinary. I just find it interesting that what seem to be typical player housing plots are currently being used by NPC's. If the Firmament becomes player housing in the way we currently have it, will those NPC's be evicted? I might be wrong but I have a feeling that won't be the case.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

If the Firmament becomes player housing in the way we currently have it, will those NPC's be evicted? I might be wrong but I have a feeling that won't be the case.

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Agreed, it would be hard to imagine a scenario where evictions happened. I don't think that would go down well with players who have done the quests. As I said above, having several quests to meet and help those NPCs seems like an awful lot of work for a little temporary flavour. I think I'd feel a little upset if all the people we've met just disappeared one day.

If they are going to make normal housing wards, then I could see those NPCs appearing in the wards occasionally, which would breathe a little life into the housing districts, but that would still be an eviction in all but name. If the building that is now an orphanage were replaced by a player house, it would feel a bit strange to see the children running around. Similarly, it would be odd to see the families we helped to move in, if their house no longer exists.

To me, it definitely feels like they're going to do something different this time. However, much as I'd like it to be instanced housing, I won't start getting excited until there is an official announcement.

I think the area we have now, with the Ishgard Restoration trade NPCs and the villagers, will stay as it is and doesn't count towards the player wards. It has the same layout for the houses, but kind of is another division. So the NPCs probably won't be evicted from their houses. We will probably get our own wards without the traders and villagers.

This is a very interesting idea, if this happen I won't mind to move there if we have the system as the apartments and the house will never demolish.
But also this will guide a new abuse system because an instanced housing on ishgard will be unlimited then getting a house will be very easy and I think the relocation system will still working for all areas then people will get a house on ishgard and then do relocation on a different area and the timer will get obsolete or mayebe the timer will get removed... but well in order to do this people need to have a lot of gil xD

Also if would be really great if we have an instanced island for housing porpuses where you decide where to put your house and decide the size and all kind of that stuff but I think this is not going to happen never as this seems to be a lot of work.

I thought housing issues would have been resolved like 2-4 years ago honestly.
Instanced Housing > Neighborhood Idea by a mile thou. Most people don't visit other peoples houses on the daily/weekly. And if they do, your the minority easily.
Giving housing to all would:
Devalue the housing black-market (Housing fuels RMT) Change my mind.
Allow everyone to have a guild-house/personal house.
Create a massive gil-sink which supports the economy and stops inflation.

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Originally Posted by Rhos

Devalue the housing black-market (Housing fuels RMT) Change my mind.

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As far as I know, being a part of that community for a long time, RMT is strictly forbidden on all the most popular Housing Markets on reddit and Discord. You can't sell a house for real money nor can you buy anything for real money. Gil trades only and it is sorta a massive gil sink since house sellers often charge you x2-x3 placard price for the most desireable plots. Though yeah, I do agree that having an "official" gil sink is preferable.

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Originally Posted by Rhos

Instanced Housing > Neighborhood Idea by a mile thou. Most people don't visit other peoples houses on the daily/weekly. And if they do, your the minority easily.

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True -- I've had a house for years and I don't think anyone other than myself has set foot in it. And other than my FC house (that I do visit quite often), I haven't visited anyone else's house unless it was for an event (like making a themed layout for a seasonal event).

That said, my house is on the beach in Mist with the retainer bell and marketboard right out front. As a result, I have run into randoms on occasion and have enjoyed the casual interaction. But that really didn't have anything to do with my house - it was just because we were both near a public facility.

This is the speculation.
If Ishgard is ever going to provide housing ward as in rumor, it will not be under warding system.
It will be similar to WoW Garrison's phasing technology where you have minimum ability to adjust the garden such as garden plot, chocobo stable, and mail box physical locaiton
Once you enter the interior of Ishgard house, it will be an instance as same as apartment.

Only the phasing technology is able to provide enough supply to the growing FF14 population without too demanding on physical servers

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

This is the speculation.
If Ishgard is ever going to provide housing ward as in rumor, it will not be under warding system.
It will be similar to WoW Garrison's phasing technology where you have minimum ability to adjust the garden such as garden plot, chocobo stable, and mail box physical locaiton
Once you enter the interior of Ishgard house, it will be an instance as same as apartment.

Only the phasing technology is able to provide enough supply to the growing FF14 population without too demanding on physical servers

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They've already confirmed Ishgard housing for 6.1. It's just more wards.

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Originally Posted by darcstar62

True -- I've had a house for years and I don't think anyone other than myself has set foot in it.

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Do you have a guest book?

I live in a medium in the beds and have a FC in the Goblet. I almost never see any neighbors even though I like to hang out in my front yard. In Wildstar, which was the best housing I ever encountered and one which all MMOs should emulate, we were situated on islands in the sky where we could see some neighbors at a distance but had to use a board I think it was, to actually visit them within their individual instance. I loved it because we were able to sharing crafting and gathering nodes directly on property with allowed friends. It was great!. I ran Wildstar betas and would still just be playing that if it was up and running and their raids were not so difficult. Quests were fun but raiding was more for the elites and I am not in that class lol. Unfortunately I think that is what ultimately killed WS, you have to make content for every type of gamer to keep them playing.