When a Tank dies in an 8-man...

Why is it when a tank dies in 8-man, they get back up and proceed to fight the other tank for aggro?

You'd think that with Rez sickness, a tank who dies should know that they should turn stance off, or slow their DPS down so that the fresh tank can keep tanking the mob until the first tank's sickness wears off?

I see this again and again and again, I'm usually the OT, and if the MT dies, I throw stance up, Provoke and take over... then the other tank gets up, vokes, and tries to fight me for aggro, while having Rez sickness (and sometimes causing others to get hit with cleaves and/or gets himself hit with cleaves in so-doing).

It's especially funny if he has been getting stacks of vuln periodically through the fight, and I didn't have any Vuln at all, it's like dude you obviously don't know the mechanics, just step aside and DPS like a good little boy and let me handle it.

Some bosses have 2nd-threat mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Some bosses have 2nd-threat mechanics.

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Then... the rez'd tank should keep himself 2nd threat, then, like an OT normally would.

Always those players with 50k hp less than you who are adamant on tanking. Then they proceed to die due to mechanics and you take over. They get rezd and they immediately provoke boss so they're MT again.

Bonus points if they provoke immediately, and die 2s later due to AAs > their HP pool, or they screw up the very next mechanic. At least their provoke is on CD then.

i just let them do it if they really wanna MT
but don't normally see this type of behavior in savage/EX at least i don't.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Some bosses have 2nd-threat mechanics.

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they’re talking about normal modes, and i’m pretty sure none of the normal modes have this mechanic

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

they’re talking about normal modes, and i’m pretty sure none of the normal modes have this mechanic

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I mean by that logic it doesn't matter who has aggro so long as the boss isn't moving.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

i just let them do it if they really wanna MT.

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I also always let them if they want, even if they're much worse geared, especially if it's their first time cause I can imagine it's nice being MT first time for immersion. But once you've got couple invuln stacks or Weakness from dying, people should give it up, it only makes sense.

At that point I think it's better to just outdps them and force yourself in MT position, if you know your dps is higher at atleast (And tankbuster isn't a cleave).

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Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

Bonus points if they provoke immediately, and die 2s later due to AAs > their HP pool, or they screw up the very next mechanic. At least their provoke is on CD then.

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I like you. :)

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I mean by that logic it doesn't matter who has aggro so long as the boss isn't moving.

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and i agree with you on that

I just drop stance and then shirk. Im not fighting someones' ego.

Quite honestly, I do not see much difference between Ot and Mt anymore.

In savage/extreme if i die as MT i want things to stay in order (other tank might get confused if i dont provoke) so i provoke as fast as i can and wait for a shirk. If i'm OT then i stay OT.
In other content idc onestly.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

In savage/extreme if i die as MT i want things to stay in order (other tank might get confused if i dont provoke) so i provoke as fast as i can and wait for a shirk. If i'm OT then i stay OT.
In other content idc onestly.

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this will probably cause issues for your healers and and possibly lead to you dying again, better to delay a little while so you can get topped, if you wanna keep the order of who holds the boss.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

they’re talking about normal modes, and i’m pretty sure none of the normal modes have this mechanic

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On normal mode, the bosses that do just automatically target whoever is a tank automatically. As an example, Shinryu normal mode always autos both tanks while on ex mode he autos whoever is the two highest on his threat list.

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Originally Posted by Minnel

Quite honestly, I do not see much difference between Ot and Mt anymore.

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It's less about MT or OT and more about which tank is going to pull. In certain savage mode fights due to the timing on various cooldowns and how you want to space them out will decide which tank will pull.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

this will probably cause issues for your healers and and possibly lead to you dying again, better to delay a little while so you can get topped, if you wanna keep the order of who holds the boss.

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Yeah ofc always wait before even hit the boss.

For consistency of CD's there mostly is a reason why a certain tank is tanking a boss. But overall for AA's sake allow the better-geared tank to main tank.

Now regarding people who want to fight you for agro, I usually play along. It can be fun ^_^!

Also
#ThisIsMyRaid
#YouJustAStandInTank
#GimmeDatBackThankYouVeryMuch
#TheRealDealTankIsBack
#OnlyRealTanksHaveAggroSitBackAndTakeNotes

When I'm off-tanking a boss, I usually just keep stance off and provoke whenever the boss is casting something to maintain second on the enmity list but without the boss ever actually switching to me.

That way if the MT does die, they can just provoke the boss back once they've been topped off and regain the enmity lead immediately.

For the vulnerability it makes sense but I fail to see why having a rezsickness makes you less adequate as a my...
-25% damage doesn't make you less of a mt.
In past expansion I would have agreed due to threat management but ShB trivialized aggro management so .. I don't see why you have an issue with Rez sickness

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

For the vulnerability it makes sense but I fail to see why having a rezsickness makes you less adequate as a my...
-25% damage doesn't make you less of a mt.
In past expansion I would have agreed due to threat management but ShB trivialized aggro management so .. I don't see why you have an issue with Rez sickness

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It's 25% less to all stats, so they take more damage and have less hp as well. Most of the time it doesn't matter, but if a tank pulls MT back immediately after dying and takes a buster to the face before being healed it can end badly.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

It's 25% less to all stats, so they take more damage and have less hp as well. Most of the time it doesn't matter, but if a tank pulls MT back immediately after dying and takes a buster to the face before being healed it can end badly.

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Weakness and Brink of Death do not affect VIT nor does it affect defense. It only affects, STR, DEX, INT and MND.

Weakness and Brink used to also affect vit until it was changed to above back in SB, so it will only affect damage dealt, it does not affect damage recieved.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

It's 25% less to all stats, so they take more damage and have less hp as well. Most of the time it doesn't matter, but if a tank pulls MT back immediately after dying and takes a buster to the face before being healed it can end badly.

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No you don't loose vit. This has been fixed long ago . (SB according o aoddhan, I thought it was HW but that's definitely not something I recall properly so SB it is I suppose )

If you'd loose 25% vit then dps wouldn't be able to survive any transition with Rez sickness, yet we can.
I also just checked some of my prog video on UwU, our dearest NIN that keeps being thrown on the wall during Titan always has the same maximum HP after a Rez.

Too many raid wide damage nowadays do something like 80-90% dps/heal HP even after some mitigation. Loosing 25% max Heath after being Rez would mean u wouldn't be able to survive almost every aoe... And -50% would get u killed by even low dmg aoe.

So if Rez sickness doesn't affect survivability, and threat is a non issue even with -50% dmg done, why wouldnt a tank with Rez sick be MT?

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Originally Posted by Mithia

For consistency of CD's there mostly is a reason why a certain tank is tanking a boss. But overall for AA's sake allow the better-geared tank to main tank.

Now regarding people who want to fight you for agro, I usually play along. It can be fun ^_^!

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I just read this.

Lololol majority of the time I outgear the other tank, and in raids BOTH tanks, but they wanna be RealDealTank with thier min. ilvl gear so I let em have at it.

I wasnt tanking yesterday, but it tickled me that during first boss of CF all three didnt want to MT. This took 5min lmao before one of them said F it. There's 3(THREE) of you, SOMEONE gotta grab the mob.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

I just read this.

Lololol majority of the time I outgear the other tank, and in raids BOTH tanks, but they wanna be RealDealTank with thier min. ilvl gear so I let em have at it.

I wasnt tanking yesterday, but it tickled me that during first boss of CF all three didnt want to MT. This took 5min lmao before one of them said F it. There's 3(THREE) of you, SOMEONE gotta grab the mob.

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This is what we call Gunbreaker (formerly Warrior) Syndrome. They want the toughness of a tank without the responsibility of actually tanking, essentially making them a Great Value™ DPS.

If they want Aggro, they can have it. If they die I'll just take over again. Eventually the Healers will stop raising them and wasting MP.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

This is what we call Gunbreaker (formerly Warrior) Syndrome. They want the toughness of a tank without the responsibility of actually tanking, essentially making them a Great Value™ DPS.

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?????
WAR has almost always been the Main Tank even in Stormblood. WAR syndrome is a mythical thing.
GNB syndrome... sure? If they are the OT now but with how tanking works in Savage there is no OT anymore, just one tank that pulls and another that takes tanking duty at X time in the fight.

Great thread xD

I love to see the stubborn Rezzed tanks fight me for aggro... And lose it again in 3 GCD's like, come on buddy, you have STR down. You really want to fight me for aggro? LOL