How to OT as GnB

Like title says. I want to tank end game content but not be the main tank and I want to be semi less invovled. Also a GnB.

Well you dps with tank stance off and thats it. :p

Oh haha easy enough

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Originally Posted by XeroXelence

Like title says. I want to tank end game content but not be the main tank and I want to be semi less invovled. Also a GnB.

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Honestly if this is not a troll post, go play a dps if you don't want to deal with the streamlined responsibility tanks have nowadays.

If you wanna tank end game content it's either all the responsibility or don't waste peoples time. You will be expected to be capable of pulling the boss, be able to tank swap due to mechanics, co-tank picked up too many vulns or recover aggro due to you co-tank dying. There will be some minor degree in positioning the boss (too little in fight design sadly with auto positioning and bosses glued to the arena), sometimes you will be required to pick up adds, and also make use of Heart of Stone and Aurora on your co-tank regularly if not actively holding aggro.

The idea of old school MT and OT (Sub Tank) is practically dead in xiv, it is more co-tanks since all four tanks are capable of carrying out either role effectively with minor variance in effectiveness. The terms are more so to note which tank is pulling / currently holding aggro and which tank is not; both terms are also used in JP and EU macros for fight strategies.

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Originally Posted by XeroXelence

Like title says. I want to tank end game content but not be the main tank and I want to be semi less invovled. Also a GnB.

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Good luck doing any endgame content whilst being "semi less involved" on any class, much less tank. You'll get kicked from parties quicker than you can say "enforced tank swap".

Like Aodhan said, there is no MT and OT. Just "tank that currently has aggro at this point in the boss rotation"

But you know, you do you. Go join a Ramuh party. Say hi to Raiden for me.

Usually OT have to share tank busters and swap out from time to time correct me if I’m wrong. So I fail to see the point in being a pure OT
“being less involved”? Did you want a easy route to Eden choir gear? Since GNB has a much simpler DPS rotation than DPS. Their aren’t any easy paths I’d suggest do some MT stuff in 60s then do Raids than some extremes than try Savage

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Usually OT have to share tank busters and swap out from time to time correct me if I’m wrong. So I fail to see the point in being a pure OT
“being less involved”? Did you want a easy route to Eden choir gear? Since GNB has a much simpler DPS rotation than DPS. Their aren’t any easy paths I’d suggest do some MT stuff in 60s then do Raids than some extremes than try Savage

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It honestly depends on the raid tier, this raid tier we are currently on is probably one of the least involved for off tanks, but that still doesnt mean theres not responsibility.
E5s: Raiden "Add", invulning a centaur charge
E6s: Forced Tank Swap Buster (although the the original tank can take aggro back almost immediatly after)
E7s: Randomly targetted tank buster and add phase kiting
E8s: Forced swap busters and auto's targetting both tanks in some phases

So even if there is less to do than other tiers, theres still a fair few off tank duties, espeically if you're supporting the MT with aurora and such.

Wasnt a troll lmao. Nah not elite dont care to be.

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Originally Posted by XeroXelence

Wasnt a troll lmao. Nah not elite dont care to be.

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Nothing elitist about being able to carry out something basic that's expected of a tank in a party. But if you want to be lazy and not bother to learn the few basics, don't go crying when you get kicked from parties, calling people elitist, when actual fact you're most likely getting in the way of actually clearing content with that kinda attitude.

Dont worry about normal trials and raids, you could go blind in them and OT doing very little.

Just make sure you learn the mechanics of certain raid/trial before you start savage/expert raiding and join progression teams in order to learn all these. There are few responsibilities you are going to have as ot but nothing too taxing.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

It honestly depends on the raid tier, this raid tier we are currently on is probably one of the least involved for off tanks, but that still doesnt mean theres not responsibility.
E5s: Raiden "Add", invulning a centaur charge

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At this point its better to just have the OT take both centaur charges. 2 cooldowns and a heal shield is more than enough to survive the charge you don't invuln ( I know cause I take both charges for my group). Its better for the MT to save thier invuln for sticky situations and just have the OT have charge duty.

Honestly? You would need to learn mechanics just as much as someone who's got their tank stance on. Just because you would be "free" to do your dps rotation without dps loss from pressing your mitigation buttons, doesn't mean you'd be given the chance to just sit back with more HP and do damage lol.

Yeah your responsibility is knowing the mechanic's just as much, you probably don't want to deal with the "responsibility" which I get but also, MT/OT? Uhh.. yeah doesn't truly exist in this game tbh. You tank swap or you pick up mobs so your healers don't take the damage and neither does your "MT" if you want to consider it that way.. Some places where you would split damage or tank damage outside of that yeah you're basically a supportive tank with your HoS and Aur.

Hope people have made sense of it bud. GL and Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

At this point its better to just have the OT take both centaur charges. 2 cooldowns and a heal shield is more than enough to survive the charge you don't invuln ( I know cause I take both charges for my group). Its better for the MT to save thier invuln for sticky situations and just have the OT have charge duty.

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We play it the same way in our static: OT takes both charges as it isn't really an issue to survive even without inv-CD.

For GnB as OT: Best make a macro for Aurora and Heart of Stone that targets the second player in your group [a.k.a. your co-tank in 8-player-content] so you can always easily give it to your MT if you don't need it for yourself. For example:

/micon "Aurora"
/ac "Aurora" <2>

I just wanna know where all these tanks that don't wanna actually tank are coming from. Cause i really need them to stop showing up in my roulettes and alliance runs. I'm sick of dying to autos in eden normal or add tank busters in CF as a BLM because the "off tank" can't be bothered to put their stance on and hit provoke.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

I just wanna know where all these tanks that don't wanna actually tank are coming from. Cause i really need them to stop showing up in my roulettes and alliance runs. I'm sick of dying to autos in eden normal or add tank busters in CF as a BLM because the "off tank" can't be bothered to put their stance on and hit provoke.

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probably alot of the people who think GNB is the "can play DPS but as tank" role ,same as RDM players who like to top up people with vercure without actually having to play healer .

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

I just wanna know where all these tanks that don't wanna actually tank are coming from. Cause i really need them to stop showing up in my roulettes and alliance runs. I'm sick of dying to autos in eden normal or add tank busters in CF as a BLM because the "off tank" can't be bothered to put their stance on and hit provoke.

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This is what made it satisfying to be an OT in Copied Factory. I felt like I was really contributing by keeping adds on me.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

I just wanna know where all these tanks that don't wanna actually tank are coming from. Cause i really need them to stop showing up in my roulettes and alliance runs. I'm sick of dying to autos in eden normal or add tank busters in CF as a BLM because the "off tank" can't be bothered to put their stance on and hit provoke.

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With all the tank changes that came to tanks this expansion to dumb down the role, its not suprising they have cropped up. Ran into alot thinking they know how to tank, but are scared of MTing. At least in Savage for many fights you won't get away with that because you must tank swap but still...

If you want to OT all the time, bring Paladin. Paladin is the worst MT this expansion and best done on OT.

Depends. Most of the time GNB is the main tank, especially if you are paired with a PLD. For casual content you are fine as there are very few tank swaps, add control, etc.

You are still learning so you should be fine.

"I want to be an healer for end game content that's semi less involved and lets the other healer do most of the healing while I focus only on DPS"

it doesn't sound as good when another role says it right?


idk if you actually like Gunbreaker or like the Queue times tanks have. Either way there's no real way to take the backseat 24/7 for this role without pissing someone off.

comes with the territory.