Adding Ishgard housing will NOT fix housing

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Actually adding Ishgard housing probably would largely fix housing, just not in the way you're asking for.

21 wards, each with a subdivision would be another 1260 houses per server (85,680 new houses across all 68 servers).

There's only so many actively people playing this game so combined with housing demolition (when it's enabled) every time they add new houses the gap between supply and demand is drastically reduced. It will get to the point where there's more houses than are necessary.

In fact, some servers, like my own, still have plenty of smalls and the majority of which are greatly reduced in price (so it's unlikely they have the hidden timer) so although like all servers we have a shortage of medium and large houses, if you want a house... they're right there.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

I am not claiming to have any knowledge of what SE intend or have intended to do with housing

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Good, because you don't.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Thank you for your insightful reply, it adds much to the discussion.

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Sorry buddy, you're the one who felt compelled to start a thread about something that has been discussed over and over. I would suggest you to do some research before coming up with a plethora of false statements.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

So you're policing who can make a discussion and who cant? Seems quite harassing, I wonder if it's allowed? Generally when someone disagrees with a statement they either ignore it or refute it, as you're not taking the time to discuss the "false statements" I assume you're only here to harass me. Have a good day!

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Ignore that poster and his plethora of accounts. He only posts to stir the pot since he is one of those doing loopholes in the system to avoid the posted ownership rules.

I agree that simply adding a new district and/or new wards doesn't solve the problem but as worldofneil mentioned, it will reduce significantly the problem where it exists. A 25% increase to housing with the addition of a new district is a big gain. There aren't that many players like Y'shtola trying to buy up as many houses as their multiple service accounts can handle to lock other players out of houses.

There's also the chance that SE may not merely be adding another district and more wards. They have talked about adding size options to apartments. At the last EU FanFest, they mentioned they're were trying to develop technology that would allow players to see what is happening in a non-instanced area from an instanced area. If they could make that happen then they could give us instanced house plots within the wards while retaining the neighborhood feeling that was intended by having wards.

But those are things they have mentioned they are discussing and trying to develop, not things they have stated they will be able to give us with certainty.

SE is not oblivious to the situation and player feelings but they can't make changes overnight. We know something will be coming after we finish the Ishgard Restoration. Let's see what we get then give feedback on our impressions when we know exactly what we are getting.

Finally, a lottery system solves nothing nor does it make anything more fair. There are multiple ways for a lottery system to be abused as easily as the current system. And no one is going to be happy when they still don't have the house they want because there aren't enough houses. We've gone into detail on that topic on the past.

I don’t mean to push people under busses but I know a few players who own like 3 homes each through FCs and alts somehow. They log in just so they don’t lose them.

My entire ward is desolate full of dead FCs and unsubbed players

SE is not going to retroactively go back and take houses, and they shouldn't. You can't go back and punish people for something that was not against any rule when they did it.

As for the housing system getting worse with each fix, I completely disagree. In the past, you would have had zero chance at a house. Houses were being sold in individual transactions, and changing hands before anyone knew they were on the market. One person relinquished the property and someone else would immediately buy it.

Housing will probably never be what people want without SE completely overhauling the entire system. But at the end of the day they have limited resources, so when it comes down to adding more story missions, more raids, more dungeons, or housing. What serves the most players, retains the most players and brings the most new players to the game. That's what's going take priority when it comes to resources. Adding wards here and there is probably the best solution they have between doing nothing and revamping the entire thing.

Just ignore Y'shtola. That is one of that player's multiple accounts that have bought up most of a single housing ward (see their signatures) and only post to get a rise out of people usually in posts about the housing system. They never have anything worthwhile to contribute to a discussion.

altho i skimmed the last few comments, i have to say that Typhoon has adequate housing available for most players, be it in the Goblet the least liked of the residential areas non the less there is plots out there. I wont go on about my own posts that would contradict or at least digress from this one. All I will say tho, is best of luck to those who are trying to purchase their first plot and may it be a nice one when you obtain it.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Which is still happening, except now people are buying FCs either with gil or real money in order to get a house and that's only if they don't have a house to re-locate from. If they already have a plot then they can get a large for prices like 300 million gil. I don't really see a reason for someone to have more than one house, especially when it is a rather scarce commodity at the moment.

I honestly think adding more housing plots is just going to make the situation worse. People are already planning to swoop in and purchase a large amount of properties so that they can be resold at a later date, the only people benefiting there are the resellers. We'll never know how much of an effect housing has on whether players quit or not, but Square seem to be doing the opposite of other publishers and treat housing as something to be traded and sold rather than a cool extra for players. BDO seems to do it perfectly where each city has a set number of plots but each one is instanced and available to every player.

Surely Square want to pump up Mog Station sales so wouldn't making it easier for players to purchase homes or giving every player a home give them an incentive to spend real money? A new mount is one sale, but releasing furniture every couple of months guarantees multiple sales.
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Are more or less people looking for houses going to have them after these wards are added? Obviously a lot of people who didn't have houses before will have them. How in the world is the situation going to be worse? How many people who didn't have house before this last addition of wards have them now? Are you going to tell those people that the situation got worse?

The mistake that SE has made with the ward additions in the past is putting a moratorium on private buyers and giving people ample notice beforehand so they have time to create these dummy free companies. Private buyers should have access from day one. If that happens even more people looking for houses would get them.

But at the end of the day more legitimate players having houses after the addition of new wards can never be a worse situation. I just don't see the logic in this statement.

There are plenty of plots available on Omega, which is one of the largest servers in the Chaos data centre. And I mean plenty as in you can walk up and just purchase a plot because the timers have expired. There are even plots selling at the minimum value because they have been empty for so long. So the housing situation is only a problem on a few servers. Introducing a lottery system wouldn't remove the fact that there aren't enough houses on the biggest population servers, it would just direct people's frustrations towards something else. The only solution to a lack of houses is instanced housing, and SE have indicated they are seeing what can be done with that

It's definitely an issue on Balmung. Plots never just sit empty or cost anything less than max since they're all camped. Even if someone does a move into a spot before the timer for purchase is up people figure out where they moved from and camp it pretty darn quickly. Adding more houses is the solution for servers like those as long as the magic number of plots exist to accommodate people, but it's an imperfect solution with the way they limited themselves and not every server needs that many. I really wish they had built it to be more modular so the servers with larger populations could have more wards and the smaller servers that don't need it have fewer. Ideally this would be dynamically changing as need arises, but I can see why they don't do that. I'm pretty sure they've said at some point that there's no way they could even have different numbers of wards from server to server the way they coded it which is a shame.

Ishgard Housing will not completely fix the housing system, but it could take a great strain off of it if done right.

That means: Instanced Housing. Give each player an instanced house in Ishgard, maybe even with instanced garden, and make it so that you cannot lose it over time like apartments. That would provide each player with the same features as a house from a ward, greatly reducing the demand for the ward housing while also ruining the plot seller's business since you could get the same features for free.

The current setup of Ishgard Restoration, with the houses in the Firmament being associated with NPCs (as seen on Tonberry) is providing a great chance for that.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

7 plots for sale on Gilgamesh

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Regarding this ad, would like to point out a few things:

"7 workshops built. Sea of Ash mostly/completely unlocked."

Building a workshop costs 800k gil. Getting to and unlocking Sea of Ash, takes about 3-4 months.

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28 Max rank Submersibles

28 Coelacanth-Class Hulls

28 Modified Unkiu-Class Sterns

28 Modified Unkiu-Class Bows

28 Syldra-Class Bridges

7 Shark-Class sets

28 Coelacanth-Class Bridges

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A single modified submarine(4 parts) should cost around 15-20 million just in material cost alone, not including the labour.

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100,000 Ceruleum Tanks

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Even if you price,these at a very cheap price of 100 gil per tank, it adds up to 10 million gil

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7 Eastern Cherry Trees

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These are selling for 15-20 million each on Aether.

These sellers are selling months of work,modified submarines and expensive furnishing more than they are selling plots.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

I understand that a lot of work has gone into getting a maxed out workshop and getting to Sea of Ash, but does it warrant having 7 plots? Perhaps I'm wrong, but someone doing all that work so that they can sell the plots/workshop for gil sounds like someone who wants to then sell that gil for real money. getting a character with all the jobs and classes at 80 with all the egar is a lot of work, does that then justify them selling the account for real money?

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It's more efficient/profitable to use gathering/crafting bots(which SE does hardly anything about) than building up fully loaded FCs just to RMT.

It would be amazing if they could set it up so a new ward could be dynamically added whenever one fills up on a server, but the devs have already stated that it's not possible with the current codebase for housing :(

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

More houses may mean more private openers, but it also means more houses that can be exploited. If you look at the images linked in my post you see that there are a dedicated group of people buying up lots in order to sell them for real money or gil. One of the people to reply to this thread even has 48 houses for just themselves. Adding more housing just gives these people more proprieties they can snag to take advantage of. Sure, some lucky buyers will probably grab a house when we get Ishgard plots, but how many will take advantage?

I'd rather there is a system that doesn't allow anyone to take advantage.

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As much as I agree with you, consider it this way: especially one person in this thread spends just under $100/month retaining these virtual properties. Actual real-world money. Like honestly, who's the person being taken advantage of here? The devs are rolling in profit off these people with multiple service accounts.

That's exactly why I am not touching any of the Firmament stuff. Dont want to help house hoarders and resellers.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

So you're policing who can make a discussion and who cant? Seems quite harassing, I wonder if it's allowed? Generally when someone disagrees with a statement they either ignore it or refute it, as you're not taking the time to discuss the "false statements" I assume you're only here to harass me. Have a good day!

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Hope you're wearing your seat belt my lala, this is gonna be fun ;)


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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

I understand that a lot of work has gone into getting a maxed out workshop and getting to Sea of Ash, but does it warrant having 7 plots? Perhaps I'm wrong, but someone doing all that work so that they can sell the plots/workshop for gil sounds like someone who wants to then sell that gil for real money. getting a character with all the jobs and classes at 80 with all the egar is a lot of work, does that then justify them selling the account for real money?

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No, you don't understand and probably never will. You barely played in 2014 and you got yourself a jump potion 5 years later. Your achievements do not lie, but you... oh we'll get back to it shortly enough. As I was saying, you have no knowledge on how to run a workshop, yet alone 7 or 50. The amount of preparation, work and resources it takes to craft that many high end parts is beyond your comprehension. Just because we find enjoyment in taking on something challenging has nothing to do with selling these plots for fiat. Coming from someone who previously made the following statements, I can't help myself but to wonder whats with your double standards? More on that later.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Any proof for your statement, or just typical tinfoil hat?

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

I've played a lot of MMOs over the years, but I've yet to see a playerbase as salty as this one. Consider for a moment that someone got into the top rankings purely because they had the time to invest into grinding out diadem and crafting. Just because someone did better than you doens't necessarily make them a botter, there will ALWAYS be someone who is better than you and has more time to dedicate to this game.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

If I may ask, when did you last check? I just popped into Omega and there's not a single plot for sale across all 4 areas.

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Sweet sweet little lies. Do you know how devaluation works? I presume you don't, so let me it explain it really simply. A plot takes more than a few days to reach nearly half of its value. So tell me, how is it possible that there are over 100 devaluated plots to purchase in the Goblet on Omega as of today?

https://i.imgur.com/PcBaXsE.jpg


So what is it? You didn't actual check or perhaps your entire thread is meant to be deceitful? ;)


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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

More houses may mean more private openers, but it also means more houses that can be exploited. If you look at the images linked in my post you see that there are a dedicated group of people buying up lots in order to sell them for real money or gil. One of the people to reply to this thread even has 48 houses for just themselves. Adding more housing just gives these people more proprieties they can snag to take advantage of. Sure, some lucky buyers will probably grab a house when we get Ishgard plots, but how many will take advantage?

I'd rather there is a system that doesn't allow anyone to take advantage.

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What exploit are you speaking of? Players are allowed to trade whatever this game has to offer for ingame services or items. Players are also allowed to own as many houses the game allows them to, which is 9 per server at the moment. But you are right, more houses mean more people, such as ourselves, will take advantage of said houses...you know... as they are meant to be? Lacking experience in this game can be forgiven so I don't blame you, we have all been there. I hope you might reconsider your position on why you would disapprove of players partaking in free company exclusive content.


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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

As much as I agree with you, consider it this way: especially one person in this thread spends just under $100/month retaining these virtual properties. Actual real-world money. Like honestly, who's the person being taken advantage of here? The devs are rolling in profit off these people with multiple service accounts.

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The amount of players who use more than two service accounts, for housing purposes, is so low. How can you possibly come up with the conclusion that SE is "rolling in profits" as a result? SE is losing thousands of dollars by allowing gift codes from different markets to be used. The last thing on their mind is how less than 100 players have multiple subscription for housing purposes. And by the way, $100 is less than 10% of my gross income per week. I appreciate your concerns, but at $1200/year for the amount of entertainment this game provides, it is by far the cheapest hobby I have.


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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

I made this point earlier where I said SE are most likely unwilling to take any action because each extra service account to hoard houses is making them money, so why take any action? As for them being taken advantage of, do you really think they're spending $100 a month just so they can troll on the forums? I suspect that they're making that money back by selling gil or plots for real money.

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Following your logic, why would SE ban anyone? Are you even trying or did you get tired of pretending to care? In your on words:

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

If there was any truth to your statement then why would they ban people monthly for botting and RMT? The person you're constantly reporting isn't botting, that's why they're not getting banned.

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Now please tell me, what's with the sudden change of heart? Everything you have posted in the past goes against what you are whining about? Here, for your own convenience:

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

You could think of every conceivable way to stop RMT and it will still occur, RMT will never go away and even in games that have no P2P trading RMT still finds a way to prosper. You can't combat RMT no matter how many money sinks you put into the game, the only thing that comes close to throttling the RMT market is to make money easy to come by.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Maybe SE doesn't have an "awful track" with cheaters and the person you're consistently reporting just isn't a botter. Maybe they're not replying to your /tell because they don't want to, or they're ignoring the tab. Maybe their actions look janky to you because of lag, or because they're not concentrating and are flying in a straight line. Have you tried doing the Firmament fate? With the lag everyone is teleporting all over the place and there's a lot of jankiness, or are they all bots?

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Either way, you're not interested in a discussion so I'll just leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

You can't dismiss an argument that easily just because you don't want to hear it. At the end of the day your subscription is paying access to the game and the content within that games. Mounts are not content, they are decorations. Does having your character sitting on a panda or a giant blue whale affect your gameplay in any way? No, it really doesn't. The functions of the mounts in the cash shop and the mounts found in the game are exactly the same, there is no difference between either one apart from an aesthetic ones. It is your choice to purchase a mount from the cash shop, you aren't being forced to do it so your argument that you are being bled dry falls flat.

The cash shop adds another source of revenue for the game, extra income means more content for players. Your complaint just shows that MMO players will complain about ANYTHING purely for the simple reason that someone can pay for something they don't have. Do you perhaps drive around your neighbourhood shouting at people who buy 3ply toilet paper? The cash shop isn't P2W, it doesn't lock content behind a paywall or allow others to be better at the game than you. You are complaining because someone gets to float around on a different mount to you, that's it.

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Just admit it, you don't care. Or if you do care, you're being deceitful about it. Either way, it's quite hilarious to see you change your stance on a subject when it seemingly affects you. Now entertain me.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

And there it is audience, adding Ishgard housing in the same way that previous plots have been added to the game will just lead to the housing market getting worse rather than allowing more players to own plots because people like Yshtola, who owns more than 30 plots, will take advantage of the system to buy up more plots for their own nefarious reasons.

Thanks for playing! I should point out, but I have no interest in having a discussion about housing with someone who owns multiple lots, by all means reply away and come up with whatever theories you want or humblebrag away. You have no interest in a discussion you just want to ensure that Square Enix don't take away your houses and that no other player can get a house fairly. Toodles!

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How boring. See you in 2024 when you contradict yourself again after purchasing another jump potion.

Edit: Nice edit of yours LOL

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Originally Posted by Antoine_Lenheim

That's exactly why I am not touching any of the Firmament stuff. Dont want to help house hoarders and resellers.

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So you'd rather see 1200 players who would finally have a chance to own their first house go continue to go without one just to spite the 1 or 2 dozen players who will hoard and flip?

Fortunately, your lack of effort won't stop Ishgard from getting finished.

Imagine getting called out so hard on your hypocrisy that you end up deleting everything. You guys have been sleeping real hard on this one.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Please delete this thread, I am now getting harassing and threatening messages from Yshtola and his friends on the Housing Discord in game. These forums evidently aren't that safe for discussions.

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This makes me very sad. And no this isn't sarcasm.

The forums are safe for discussion, however a discord server is not because SE have no power over those. You see what people are really like when they feel safe and/or can hide behind an avatar.

EDIT: just realised I misread the quote and the harassment happened in the game. OP you can definitely report that behaviour if it happened in the game. There is a lot of evidence against them considering the posts here and then the harassment in the game itself.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Please delete this thread, I am now getting harassing and threatening messages from Yshtola and his friends on the Housing Discord in game. These forums evidently aren't that safe for discussions.

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Open up support tickets and report those in game messages to the GMs as harassment, then blacklist the characters that have sent you those messages. GM service might be greatly reduced right now with greatly delayed responses but it's not non-existent.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Open up support tickets and report those in game messages to the GMs as harassment, then blacklist the characters that have sent you those messages. GM service might be greatly reduced right now with greatly delayed responses but it's not non-existent.

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For real, if the troll can't keep it civil then a ban hammer is needed.

Echoing that you need to report and block all the people harassing you. You don't deserve to be bothered by people acting in bad faith just because you have opinions on the housing situation.

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

Echoing that you need to report and block all the people harassing you. You don't deserve to be bothered by people acting in bad faith just because you have opinions on the housing situation.

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The irony kills me.

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Idk what's more sad. The person that wants to throw dirt onto more successful players and pulls out the harassment card when he's caught with his pants down or the people who are so easily deceived by that same person. For the second time in the same thread mind you!!!