Too many clicks!

Retainer interface, starting at the initial menu. Refresh venture.
Eight clicks, but it would only be four if I didn't have to clear the NPC dialogs every time.
I wish we had an option to not display NPC text after, perhaps the 5th time it's been displayed.

Literally unplayable.

I do kind of wish that I could just confirm all my Retainers' Ventures at once and then send them back out (I always have them on Quick Exploration).

Yeah, they tried to "improve" the retainer interface this expansion, but only made it more tedious.

Please yoshi, stop doing that one useless dungeon you give us each patch and do this instead!

it is rather annoying though ff in general is famous for over clicking and bizarre menus, is the same in ffxi. they do need to learn to streamline ffrom the get go. not wait 5 years then try to fix an obvious overkill bad design.

This game is good for testing and training your patience

There is a slew of QoL improvements they could make.
- Give me a button to move items from my inventory to my retainer if they are already holding it, so I don't have to search for EVERY.SINGLE.THING.
- Allow me to craft directly from retainers' inventory. Why do I have to have it ON my character? Other MMOs do this, even SWTOR and that is some slop coding with that poor game.
- Let me lock my hotbars (not just the buttons) so I don't accidentally move them. How hard is that?
- Yes, cut back on the retainer talk. They go make money and get things. I don't need to talk to them to make it happen, they know what to do.
- Instanced housing (done right! Not quick and dirty).

The list goes on and on. Yeah, it's a wishlist and won't be done overnight, we all know that. They could at least think about doing QoL things and tell us that's at least 'a plan'.

It's really awful tbh.

Lmao I regularly find myself like “Freeee meee!!!” when I’m scrambling to get out of my retainer to go commence my popped q.

It’s a step up from the previous way of summoning retainers, I’m just still muscle memory locked into the old ways.

One of my biggest criticisms about FFXIV has always been its interface. It's like decades behind the competition.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

Lmao I regularly find myself like “Freeee meee!!!” when I’m scrambling to get out of my retainer to go commence my popped q.

It’s a step up from the previous way of summoning retainers, I’m just still muscle memory locked into the old ways.

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You can commence duties while still in your retainer. It'll suck you into the instance.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You can commenced duties while still in your retainer. It'll suck you into the instance.

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instant QoL update! Ty!

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

it is rather annoying though ff in general is famous for over clicking and bizarre menus, is the same in ffxi. they do need to learn to streamline ffrom the get go. not wait 5 years then try to fix an obvious overkill bad design.

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I'll blame consoles for that partially.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

One of my biggest criticisms about FFXIV has always been its interface. It's like decades behind the competition.

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I tried FF11 and managed to get it to download, get through the Playonline nonsense but the menu and control system is a terrible. You can tell it used to be a console game. Instead of new content they should be refing the menu and control for modern PCs. I'd wager they would get more players.

Probably my favourite feature of ShB is the light menu option.

How about the confirmation message every time you try to open a door or use any objects in dungeons?

And it's an issue because...?

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Originally Posted by lolicon09

And it's an issue because...?

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It's annoying.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

I'll blame consoles for that partially.



I tried FF11 and managed to get it to download, get through the Playonline nonsense but the menu and control system is a terrible. You can tell it used to be a console game. Instead of new content they should be refing the menu and control for modern PCs. I'd wager they would get more players.

Probably my favourite feature of ShB is the light menu option.

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And shaft all the console players?
They'd lose far more than they'd gain.

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Originally Posted by WrenElessedil

How about the confirmation message every time you try to open a door or use any objects in dungeons?

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Ah, you mean what kills me in Prae anytime I tank it unless I get the rare aware healer?

'Action cancelled. You are under attack!'
'Action cancelled. You are under attack!'
'Action cancelled. You are under attack!'
'Action cancelled. You are under attack!'
'Action cancelled. You are under attack!'
'Action cancelled. You are under attack!'

Someone made a mockup of a better UI but SE would never take the time to do something like this.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...up-pictures%29

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Someone made a mockup of a better UI but SE would never take the time to do something like this.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...up-pictures%29

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Its a lot easier to design a ui window than it is to design the function of it. Just saying.

I would appreciate it if they created a way to show dialogue and a menu simultaneously. The dialogue would update based on what is happening in the menu. This could work for retainer ventures, custom deliveries, Mini Cactpot, etc. Could be a system worth designing to improve the UX at some point, and they can go back and apply the technology for common tasks, allowing for both expedience and flavour.

I think the most annoying menu is the repair NPC menu. If they would just make a repair all button that repairs all the used gear would be perfect instead of cycling through categories over and over. It’s so annoying.

I feel it's pretty typical of many Japanese interfaces -- not only in FFXIV, but all over life in Japan.
Announcements, alerts, confirmation screens everywhere. All to save people from doing something by accident.

It's kind of a quirk of Japanese culture.

Glad I'm no the only one that finds it annoying. There's some UX issues in game and that's one of em.

I imagine it's somewhat better than the old version if you sprung for a boatload of retainers, but as someone who just has the basic two it's a little annoying.

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Originally Posted by WrenElessedil

How about the confirmation message every time you try to open a door or use any objects in dungeons?

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I suppose we could also have: Press W key, and see a confirmation box that says "Do you want to move forward? Yes / No."

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Originally Posted by Krojack

Someone made a mockup of a better UI but SE would never take the time to do something like this.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...up-pictures%29

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The suggested retainer UI looks great but the market board one with the option to create multiple single item listings repeats the awfulness that used top plague the WoW auction house, where one used could clock up multiple pages of listings with single craft items.
They finally eliminated that, where all your stackable items for sale at one price get combined into one "stack" from which buyers can purchase as many as they need. Purchases are always completed at the lowest selling price available. Multiple listings of the same items at the same price are impossible now.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its a lot easier to design a ui window than it is to design the function of it. Just saying.

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Yes, it would tend to be that way when you keep designing it awkwardly for anyone using a mouse to begin with. Wiggling the mouse around shouldn't let you gather faster because controllers require active selections.

Here's a proposed retainer / MB UI someone else suggested. All retainers in one window, no tedious opening and backing out..
Just click the retainer you want to deal with and it's inventory shows up in the same window:

Original post: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...up-pictures%29

Retainer UI:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/bbcd7e33...jumo1_1280.png

I have a controller attached to my PC for two purposes - retainers and fishing. The same retainer menus that are tedious and annoying on KBM simply fly through with the controller, to the point where the messages have to flash for 20 seconds on the screen afterward because I went so much faster than they would display. (I also tried using the controller for gathering, but when flying between nodes it feels more efficient to KBM after all....)

It's a reminder that this game was built to be accessible by console players, and a lot of UI decisions are made for them, not for the PC players.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

I'll blame consoles for that partially.



I tried FF11 and managed to get it to download, get through the Playonline nonsense but the menu and control system is a terrible. You can tell it used to be a console game. Instead of new content they should be refing the menu and control for modern PCs. I'd wager they would get more players.

Probably my favourite feature of ShB is the light menu option.

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Yea it was designed initially for the PS2 it was out for a year in Japan before they ported over to PC later. Just like FFXIV it is designed around the console.

ALthough to give credit to FFXI it was available on PS, XbOX 360, and PC so it did have that going for it.

I'm going to tag on a "Repair All" & "Tend all crops" plea to this "To many click" post.