After like 10 wipes in ghimlyt dark I had to give up and I'm stuck with a requeue penalty. I'm not sure I want to keep playing this game when my time runs out. All I wanted was to get through the damn MSQ.
Echo buff should be in dungeons for wipes
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03-11-2020, 05:25 AMDeranNightdaleEcho buff should be in dungeons for wipes
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03-11-2020, 05:27 AMEnla
What was happening that you guys wiped THAT many times in an off content dungeon?
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03-11-2020, 05:27 AMReap00
How do you wipe in there 10x? Which boss was it?
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03-11-2020, 05:27 AMFirstnameLastname
Or.. you could improve?
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03-11-2020, 05:28 AMReap00If they wiped in there 10x that sounds like a group effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname
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03-11-2020, 05:29 AMDeranNightdale
Last boss. Healer usually died. Sometimes I died from being knocked into AoE. It's just a frustrating mess and all I want is to finish the MSQ and I can't even do that. Maybe I'm no good at these types of games and should quit.
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03-11-2020, 05:32 AMEnlaJust requeue and try again. You had a bad teammate and made some fixable mistakes yourself, its not the end of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeranNightdale
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03-11-2020, 05:37 AMReap00Nahh man don't give up. Go run some fates or hunts while in queue so you don't watch the clock. It is pretty likely your next group will get through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeranNightdale
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03-11-2020, 06:30 AMDarkMasamuneUnfortunately, bad teams happen all the time in those. Sometimes you just gotta leave and queue again.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeranNightdale
No worries, it happens way more often than you think. -
03-11-2020, 06:35 AMNessaWyvern
This is why I main RDM now, the amount of times I’ve had to Rez healers and heal tanks in dungeons can get ridiculous
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03-11-2020, 06:52 AMBright-FlowerWhen I run dungeons as paladin sometimes I secretly hope the healer will die because I like getting to bust out clemency to try and keep myself and dps alive lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
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03-11-2020, 07:48 AMValorak
Don't give up! You're almost up to Shadowbringers!
Unless you have a rezzer or clemency, there's not a whole lot that you can do if your healer dies early. It sounds like your healer should maybe choose a DPS role to fulfill during group content instead of healing. -
03-11-2020, 11:59 AMFeronar
The first time I ran Ghimlyt Dark about a month or so ago, I didn't really have trouble. *Maybe* 1 wipe on the last boss. Also, if the wipes were usually because of your healer dying, you need to get a better healer. (Or if the healer is pulling aggro off the tank, get a better tank.)
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03-11-2020, 12:55 PMAnarnee
If you wiped ten times in Ghimlyt Dark you're gonna need more than echo.
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03-11-2020, 01:43 PMKewitt
Sometimes you get bad groups.
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03-11-2020, 09:12 PMSamRF
While it's probably there for a good reason, I hate the idea of echo in general. When I fail a duty I want a rematch to prove party is capable of doing it after perhaps explaining/learning mechanics or just playing more concentrated. Echo throws it in your face that you've failed and buffs you without giving you the chance for an honest rematch (wipe coud have been stupid mistake as well).
Echo should never be granted after first wipe imo, maybe after thrid wipe or something. -
03-11-2020, 09:23 PMMaeroIndeed. I even had to raise like half of the team in a Eden normal run once, and like 2x during that fight i was raising healers and some dps. Oh and no comms :/Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
The player base this expansion seems worst then ever before, at least in my experience.
As for OP, just keep at it, you just had a bad group is all. -
03-11-2020, 10:15 PMXenociderOmega
the echo isn't needed dungeons are already too easy
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03-11-2020, 10:21 PMLineageRazor
Healers bad enough to wipe repeatedly on dungeon content are extraordinarily rare. I've been playing since ARR release, and I've only run into ONE healer so bad we couldn't finish the dungeon. (Was a WHM, used nothing but Cure 3 and Stone 2 on our Wanderer's Palace run. We couldn't get past the first boss.)
When things like this happen don't get frustrated. Just requeue and try again. -
03-11-2020, 10:38 PMReap00Go run them with pugs at minimum ilvl if you want to experience them close to what was intended. Being gear carried is not a way to judge difficulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by XenociderOmega
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03-12-2020, 12:06 AMXenociderOmegaI have already when it 1st came out and I had to get gear to even enter it cause I just started back the patch it was releasedQuote:
Originally Posted by Reap00
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03-12-2020, 12:13 AMtdbThat sounds like an exceptionally bad group. While they happen now and then you'll probably get through with another attempt. If you end up in such a situation again, try to vote abandon first; if it passes you'll get out without a penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeranNightdale
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03-12-2020, 12:43 AMyukiiyuki
I have one good joke about this, too bad jokes are forbidden nowadays
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03-12-2020, 12:48 AMEli85
If you can't beat ANY dungeon in the game — regardless of whether it's current content or not — then you don't deserve the rewards.
So hard disagree on the Echo buff, aka the welfare buff. -
03-12-2020, 01:26 AMSamRFDon't give in to the GCBTWQuote:
Originally Posted by yukiiyuki
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03-12-2020, 10:21 AMDeranNightdale
I completed it by forming a group from my free company. They were helpful and competent. I should do that more often. PUGs are sometimes awful.
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03-12-2020, 12:07 PMRyuSaarvahealer does not even need to stay alive there if tank and dps play well and use their skills wisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeranNightdale
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03-12-2020, 12:48 PMEnlaGlad you got through it! And yes unfortunately there are times when the PUGs in this game are so awful it boggles the mind. Thankfully for the most part some-what decent players outnumber them, so I hope you only get good encounters going forward in the MSQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeranNightdale
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03-12-2020, 12:48 PMBsrking5Me too but I was just barely high enough to enter. Had no problems. If it were Savage or ex I could understand for old content, but regular dungeons, naw too easy as is. The burn used to be bad too, now with gear carrying it's a cake walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by XenociderOmega
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03-12-2020, 01:16 PMPentheaThe Echo isn't going to help a party bad enough to wipe that many times in a dungeon. I'm not saying you're terrible. Just saying that not enough of you were performing adequately. You might have been doing okay but if the other three were not...well nothing you can do about that except try again with a different group.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeranNightdale
Nah don't quit. Ending up with a really bad group is almost a rite of passage in mmorpgs. It happens to all of us at some point. And if you play for long enough it will definitely happen more than once. Most players tend to be pretty decent. It's exceptionally rare for more than two wipes to occur in any dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeranNightdale
That you stayed for ten wipes doesn't say good things about the party, but it does say something good about your patience. Most players would have left after the second or third wipe. I certainly wouldn't have stuck around long enough to see more than four. Patience is a good trait to have for mmos as they tend to be grindy, and as you know you don't always end up with the ideal group. Patience can really take you a long way in this genre.
Playing with people you know is almost always better in every way. I'm glad you completed the instance. Enjoy the rest of the game :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeranNightdale
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03-12-2020, 01:57 PMGemina
If there were ten wipes, I doubt the echo will help you much. An absolutely horrible dungeon run like that can only happen when the participants are working against each other; and by participants, I tend to be looking in the direction of the tank and healer.
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03-12-2020, 05:42 PMKatie_KittyEh g. Dark was easy when it was brand new too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reap00