Your Perfect Balance Line up. DONT SAY WHY Please ignore people that argue.

Outta interest without any discussion I want to know how people would like to see the game balanced in their opinions RDPS wise. I want to see placements at percentiles or skill levels. I dont want any "#### should be stronger because of ### utility" etc. none of that. just place the classes in a general line.

SO I STRESS: no discussion or analysis please

Just post how you would line things up and distribute dmg in like fashion. I want to see what others think. Ignore fight specifics. Just tell me general vacuum placement, and of course hitting these marks perfectly is impossible, this is an exercise in opinion and dmg spread.

For me biggest gap should be 5% if things were perfect from top to bottom of the list.

1. BLM worst 10th percentile, Best 75th percentile up.
2. Followed by DRG, SAM, NIN
3. NIN best at 90th percentile (still behind BLM) Worst of melee when sub 25th percentile.
4. DRG best at 75th percentile up. 2nd worst of melee when sub 25th percentile
5. SAM best melee till 75th percentile.
6. MNK better than DRG and NIN at lower percentiles but falls off to be worst at max.
7. SMN and RDM BARELY behind the average melee across all percentiles
8. BRD, DNC, MCH all very similar RDPS barely behind Rez casters.

1. Samurai
2. Dragoon / Monk
3. Ninja / Black Mage
4. Machinist / Red mage
5. Summoner / Bard / Dancer

I'm assuming "top performance" and not putting percentile brackets, as there are many factors.

This is max out put, max gear.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

1. Samurai
2. Dragoon / Monk
3. Ninja / Black Mage
4. Machinist / Red mage
5. Summoner / Bard / Dancer

I'm assuming "top performance" and not putting percentile brackets, as there are many factors.

This is max out put, max gear.

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Nice thats exactly what i want to see. format anywhere between this and my initial post.

At speedrun levels:
1. NIN, RDM, DRG
2. DNC, SMN, MNK
3. BRD, BLM, SAM
4. MCH

At 99:
1. SMN, MNK, DRG
2. BLM, SAM, NIN, RDM
3. DNC, BRD
4. MCH

At 90:
1. SAM, SMN, BLM
2. MNK, DRG, RDM
3. BRD, MCH, NIN
4. DNC

At 50:
1. SAM
2. MCH, MNK, SMN, BLM
3. BRD, DRG, NIN, RDM
4. DNC

1) SAM/BLM
2) MNK/NIN
3) DRG/MCH
4) RDM/SMN
5) DNC/BRD

1. BLM
2. MNK
3a. SAM
3b. DRG
3c. NIN
4a. SMN
4b. RDM
5. MCH
6a. DNC
6b. BRD

Thanks so far for keeping up with no analysis! Im enjoying the differences in each, but also noticing a few trends. hopefully more input is forthcoming.

in a perfect world, top to bottom 5% difference max, with the lower jobs actually taking over the first places as you go deeper on the percentile scale.
95%+
1.BLM
2.NIN
3.DRG/MNK
4.SAM
5.SMN/RDM
6.DNC/BRD (with dnc beginning to edge out bard going higher)
7.MCH

Just saying in regard of general DPS how I see it from best to lowest, starting with best DPS, assuming everything is same lvl, best gear ect pp

Level 80

1) Samurai
2) Monk/Blackmage
3) Ninja
4) Dragoon/ Machinist
5) Summoner
6) Bard/ Dancer
7) Red Mage

Level 90

1) Black Mage
2) Samurai
3) Monk/ Ninja
4) Dragoon/ Machinist
5) Summoner
6) Bard/ Dancer
7) Red Mage

Level 100

1) Samurai
2) Monk/ Black Mage
3) Ninja/ Dragoon
4) Machinist
5) Summoner/ Red Mage
6) Bard/ Dancer

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Originally Posted by Vendalwind

Outta interest without any discussion I want to know how people would like to see the game balanced in their opinions RDPS wise.

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Going by your list I THINK you actually meant to say aDPS not rDPS.

Because the list should probably be reversed if that's what you were talking about.

So I think you meant to say aDPS.

rDPS is where they should all come out the same since that accounts for buffs granting DPS to other players.

Its the aDPS that would be different and have a decending order.

I meant exactly what I said and you are breaking the rules i hoped to keep on the thread. If you are willing please edit your post with your spread. if you do so i will delete this post.

Measured at % of lead perfectly optimized speedrun rDPS. That said, assume some costs due to melee downtime or mobility, which would here probably hit RDM the hardest until such time as it gets more consecutive mobility (probably 7.0, with all casters basically having unlimited mobility by 9.0...).

1. BLM 100.0%
2. NIN 99.5%
3. SAM 99.3%
4. MNK 98.8%
5. DRG 98%
6. MCH 97.6%
7. BRD 97.3%
8. DNC 97.1%
9. SMN 97%
10. RDM 96%

90%+ All jobs within 5% rDPS differences.
BLM top damage used as the 100% reference.

1) BLM (100%), SAM (99~98%)
2) MNK (97~98%), NIN (97~99%)
3) DRG (97~98%), MCH (96~97%), RDM (96~97%), SMN (95~96%)
4) BRD (95~97%), DNC (95~97%)

Higher variations due to raidwide buff but no further explanation.

DPS ranges at percentile below

BLM, as the most difficult job, would have the DPS with the most variations, especially suffering a big loss at lower percentiles.
SAM would remain a easy top DPS when BLM is not at lower tiers.
MNK should have a wider DPS range than SAM.
NIN relies heavily on the group DPS and should be able to reach numbers if the team can follow.
DRG is stable, its rDPS relies mostly on its own.
MCH should have the smallest DPS variations as the job has no utility and remains easy to pick.
RDM should have average variations on its own rDPS, it sadly depends on the team composition as mages benefits little from Embolden.
SMN should have a DPS range at the MNK level, not the most easy jobs but far from the most complex either.
BRD should remains at stables numbers.
DNC should have a wider DPS range, if not the biggest that could raise its rDPS extremely high at top percentile.