What if you DO pay someone else's sub?

You know the old saying "you don't pay my sub"? meaning you can't tell a person how they want to play and enjoy this game...

Well what if you DO offer to pay their sub? Are you then allowed to tell them how to play? Telling them what glamours to wear etc... lol :confused:

I mean, I think it depends on how/why you're paying their sub?

If I go out for lunch with someone and they buy me a sandwich, and then I start to eat the sandwich and they're like "I bought that sandwich, so before you can eat it you have to take the ham out, roll it up, and stick it up your nose." I think we'd all look at them like they were nuts. It wasn't part of the terms. ("I am altering the terms. Pray I do not alter them further.")

But if they say, "Hey, I'll buy you a sandwich, but if I do, you have to take the ham out of the sandwich, roll it up, and stuff it up your nose", then it's on me if I accept those terms; I either buy my own sandwich or I end up with pork-nostrils.

This made me realize that technically in WoW, if you sell game tokens on the AH you are paying other players' subs.

I can relate to this because I have a friend who's sub I do pay whenever he doesn't have money, which isn't that rare, so I'll give that perspective.

I'm a pretty endgame focused player. I do what SE terms "high end" content, I care about optimizing my rotation, having good gear, having buffs/food, etc etc. Even when I'm doing something like alliance raids or ex roulette, I may well be watching my numbers and trying to improve them.

This friend never steps even into extreme primals. His rotation/DPS output is very poor, but he does at least try to execute mechanics correctly (and sometimes fails repeatedly and badly, but he tries). But, he has fun, and he likes the low pressure of "casual" content. Often times doing things like NG+ rather than pushing content. And IMO? That's just fine. If I tried to push him into being a savage raider or "get at least this percentile or I'll never help you out again" or whatever... well first he wouldn't have fun, and second I feel like that would make me into an a-hole. And maybe he would decide "Playing with Ris isn't fun anymore, I'll go ask someone else or just do without FF14 for a bit."

So as a pragmatic issue it gives you leverage to twist someone's arm, but then you're twisting their arm, you see?

With all that said, I've never even once seen "You don't pay my sub" used by anyone seriously/unironically.

My sugardaddy pays my sub

I pay my wifes sub and i can tell ya, thats not how it works xD

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

With all that said, I've never even once seen "You don't pay my sub" used by anyone seriously/unironically.

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I actually have a few weeks ago in a thread about parsers. They seemed to think that only a person who pays their sub has a right to make any comments about them.

Granted it's rare to see someone being serious about it, but apparently some do take that statement to heart.

As for paying someone else's sub...

...if you pay someone else's sub and then force them to play in a certain way when they're doing nothing harmful, then you're a crappy person.

If you paid someone's sub upon the agreement that they would, for example, help your raid team, and then they decide not to, then that is different because they broke an agreement that was in exchange for the sub.

You can tell someone anything you want.

They don't have to listen to you if you're paying their sub or not.

However, if you use the fact that you're paying their sub to make them do something they otherwise wouldn't do (I.e. "If you don't do this, I'll stop paying your sub"), that's coersion.

Idk about sub, but if someone paid for your Tonberry knife then I would say you should take their imput on how you should play or act into consideration.

But sub, probably not.

You don't pay my sub. That's why I'm the only one allowed to do lewd things to them... >.>

They aren't shallow enough to be bought off anyway. Even subs have their pride.

As far as paying someone's subscription to a game. The only thing IMO you should be able to ask of them is that they let you know when they don't plan on playing the game so you aren't paying to keep an account active when it's not being used.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

With all that said, I've never even once seen "You don't pay my sub" used by anyone seriously/unironically.

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I thought it was an ironic thing to make fun of people who're self entitled and that its hyperbolic. Then I had one in a dungeon a few months ago.

It was dumb. It was the last boss of Keeper of the Lake, the tank didn't tank the dragons in the right place and we also wiped. No big deal, it happens, people make mistakes, people aren't as experienced or don't always know mechanics and so on. And the tank mechanic in question is not immediately obvious. So I explained them in what the mechanic was and I thought I was quite pleasant about it.

They flipped out about how I was telling them how to do their job and were very rude and defensive about it. I told them they didn't need to be rude because I didn't think it was an obvious mechanic, they didn't do it and figured it's quite plausible they might not have realised. A friend was in the group who backed me up on it. At no point did we put them down.

Then the guy just continued to run his mouth of and being an a***hole and included the line, "I can do what I want, you don't pay my sub".

And fairplay to him. He doesn't pay ours. We kicked him and got a tank with a better attitude in his place. Win for that tank, nice quick roulette. A***hole tank on the other hand wasted their's.

What if I pay someone to work on a Free Company sub?

I paid for a couples sub. It was a IRL marriage gift.
They left my FC so they could raid with other people when my FC has plenty of people raiding full time with non-members. ;-;
They...they didn't even change servers for it. ORZ

I used to be with someone who paid my sub and used it as an excuse to control every aspect of my play time, right down to what class I play and race I was.

Nipped that in the bud.

If you pay their sub, does that make you their dom?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

If you pay their sub, does that make you their dom?

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Nope because they are clearly a dom for wanting a sub.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

You can tell someone anything you want.

They don't have to listen to you if you're paying their sub or not.

However, if you use the fact that you're paying their sub to make them do something they otherwise wouldn't do (I.e. "If you don't do this, I'll stop paying your sub"), that's coersion.

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Coercion doesn't work with this community, also it's not my style. Gotta go for the kill.

"I'm gonna cancel your sub tomorrow."
"You can't do that!"
"I can do whatever I want, where ever I want, however I want. You getting out. If I had my way, you wouldn't login tomorrow."

I paid for a friend's sub a while back when I could afford it. I mainly dragged him into messing with other friends and helping me set up a bunch of terrible jokes/puns, good times.

Honestly I did for a friend for a bit because they couldn't and wanted to play togeather some so I sent money to their paypal for two months for crystal=play time

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Originally Posted by AncientCrystal

You know the old saying "you don't pay my sub"? meaning you can't tell a person how they want to play and enjoy this game...

Well what if you DO offer to pay their sub? Are you then allowed to tell them how to play? Telling them what glamours to wear etc... lol :confused:

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The best teacher is experience, pay my sub & lets find out.....

You can buy me some mounts too, tell me how to ride them......

I would also require a transfer from Gilgamesh, but I am not on that world so we are good there......

Also, 180 days....

And.....If my character replies to you "I don't speak any English.." or ignores you, that means I was hacked....

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

pork-nostrils.

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LOL This made my day, thank you

I mean, you could but like... why would you? Other than like, obvious things like "if I'm gonna pay this then don't cheat and try not to get yourself banned for something stupid" or something why do that to someone you're offering to help out? At least I mean... I sure wouldn't be paying anyone's sub unless it was someone I knew and wanted to play with, so. Why hold that over someone's head?

The you don't pay my sub argument is pretty dumb anyway. I've seen it used maybe a small handful of times (maybe one or two I'm sure of) unironically and it's just such a baffling response to being told not to play badly. Which is where I've seen it like... I mean dude you can play however you want when you're by yourself IDC but if you're in a group then you gotta play with the group or find a different one. I don't need to be paying your sub to leave or vote kick you :P

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Originally Posted by Avidria

I mean dude you can play however you want when you're by yourself IDC but if you're in a group then you gotta play with the group or find a different one. I don't need to be paying your sub to leave or vote kick you :P

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PREACH!

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