Eden-raids I feel are ment to troll 3 types of players.

So before you jump to white knight the devs think about in all seriousness
Let's look at the three.
First dancers/gunbreakers who want primal weapons (almost every Fight was a primal from Arr... That they could have given the drop for primal weapons for gun/breaker and dancers to the choice not to so basically trolled those people.
Second People who enjoy summoning for real .. Again, every fight is stronger Primals than in the air yet they are too weak to summon the arr ones "really lol"
Third well they basicly troll people who want to fight with hammers again (i sware they do this every chance they get from Nero up )

erm...nope.

what even is the point of discussion here? How is this relevant? What am i even supposed to say to this?

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erm...nope.

what even is the point of discussion here? How is this relevant? What am i even supposed to say to this?

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There doesn't have to be a point outside the fact they obviousely get off on trolling their players. Thats all just how i feel about the raids in general thats all lol

Let's just focus on Meru who is part of one of the best games ever made.

I don't get any of those three points nor do I see any trolling there.

I think OP had a stroke.

the only trolling i see are your posts

Wat
I literally cannot comprehend what this thread is about.

What is this I don't even.

Dwarven Mythril Hammer

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1st Glam doesn't matter, it's not really a hammer thing if its using axe animations. Look, I love axes and all but there's a huge combat difference of a giant axe vs a hammer. Axes have a remove limps method for the most bloodshed in combat and are more barbarian in taste.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120518214119 its like comparing this guy and saying well Meru is him since hammer is a glam right lol (thats a real no)
Hammers on the other hand Just smash your enemies bone and have a decreased blood shed (which honestly is more elegant of a combat style)
2nd. Really you don't see that,
Your character could slap Ryna into another dimision but your character can't summon(for real) yet Ryna had the power to summon shiva when she is 150x weaker than you are lol.

FInally really Primal weapons like Ifirt gunblade,shiva gunblade, Levithan gunblade and so forth for both level 60 jobs could have been added to the raid for people who wanted things from the ARR Primals for glamor since they are just upgreaded verison could have tooken the chance to give dancer and gunbreaker their ARR PRimal weapons during the raid as a drop (like glowing bubbles thunder gunblade and so forth.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

So before you jump to white knight the devs think about in all seriousness
Let's look at the three.
First dancers/gunbreakers who want primal weapons (almost every Fight was a primal from Arr... That they could have given the drop for primal weapons for gun/breaker and dancers to the choice not to so basically trolled those people.
Second People who enjoy summoning for real .. Again, every fight is stronger Primals than in the air yet they are too weak to summon the arr ones "really lol"
Third well they basicly troll people who want to fight with hammers again (i sware they do this every chance they get from Nero up )

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1. None of the Raids have ever dropped weapons aside from the last one giving weapon tokens.

2. I'm not really sure how this "trolls" Summoners, unless you think that it would be reasonable for everyone to be able to summon a Raid boss that does specialized mechanics.

3. Dwarven Mythril Hammer.

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1. None of the Raids have ever dropped weapons aside from the last one giving weapon tokens.

2. I'm not really sure how this "trolls" Summoners, unless you think that it would be reasonable for everyone to be able to summon a Raid boss that does specialized mechanics.

3. Dwarven Mythril Hammer.

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1st. non of the other raids had primals either Lol and the dancer and gunbreaker need their primal weapons (even if it wasnt a drop) they should get special trade in with the weapon tokens for primal weapons.

2. I didn't say the raid ones but at this point they should be able to summon the ARR ones for 60 seconds with 15min cd honestly.

3rd Glam -vs job big difference in axe combat vs hammer combat. I mean really have you seen how the scythe glam looks in combat for that fighting style lol

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

1st. non of the other raids had primals either Lol and the dancer and gunbreaker need their primal weapons (even if it wasnt a drop) they should get special trade in with the weapon tokens for primal weapons.

2. I didn't say the raid ones but at this point they should be able to summon the ARR ones for 60 seconds with 15min cd honestly.

3rd Glam -vs job big difference in axe combat vs hammer combat. I mean really have you seen how the scythe glam looks in combat for that fighting style lol

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1. Just because the Raid Aesthetic is Primals it's still the Raid and not Primals/Trials.

2. Summoner Lore actually explains why it won't work. Let's add Eden Lore to it - in theory, each person would summon a different Primal, since memories, thoughts and belief influences their form.
That aside, lol 15min CD when most fights aren't that long. And for 60 seconds? That's not how balancing works. Would only work as mere Egi Glam.

I don't...even. The only trolling i see with E5-8 is their hate towards casters. As a BLM i gotta constantly dodge AOE's and crap while trying to cast. I kinda wish they buff casters a little more, not much but some to compensate all this running around and losing DPS.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

There doesn't have to be a point outside the fact they obviousely get off on trolling their players. Thats all just how i feel about the raids in general thats all lol

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The hammer exists because Tetsuya Nomura wasn't aware it isn't a weapon any class in the game uses. SE decided they could still make it work for FFXIV though, and it does for a npc with unique abilities like Gaia.

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The hammer exists because Tetsuya Nomura wasn't aware it isn't a weapon any class in the game uses. SE decided they could still make it work for FFXIV though, and it does for a npc with unique abilities like Gaia.

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lol white mages used hammers/flails in a few final fantasys along did geomancer honestly so many diffrent classes could be made into using hammers from the ffs of the past

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

lol white mages used hammers/flails in a few final fantasys along did geomancer honestly so many diffrent classes could be made into using hammers from the ffs of the past

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You are mentioning the point only to miss it. Nomura probably thought a hammer might be in the game because of the older games, only to be told differently when the design was already finished. That's all there is to it.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

lol white mages used hammers/flails in a few final fantasys along did geomancer honestly so many diffrent classes could be made into using hammers from the ffs of the past

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Did you miss the part where I said "the game"? I thought it was obvious I was referring to the game this forum is for. Not the entire FF series.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

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Periods, kind sir, then and only then will I have the mental energy to read that.

OP is reaching hard, make sure you don't fall over.

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Periods, kind sir, then and only then will I have the mental energy to read that.

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I believe Hysterior's intention was just to mock OP, by showing that it's not always a good idea to post anything that's on your mind at the moment.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

Hammers on the other hand Just smash your enemies bone and have a decreased blood shed (which honestly is more elegant of a combat style)

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Have you ever seen what a serious hammer wound looks like? Even leaving out cases involving the skin being torn open (such as broken bones piercing through, crushed armor or debris, or skin just....tearing under severe stress), it's no less gruesome than a blade. If anything, a non-lethal cut can be sewn shut; blunt trauma is far more complicated to deal with.

If this raid series trolls anyone, it's the players who don't want to dodge AOEs.

Did anyone else read the OP like they walked into someone's fever dream?

How old are you OP? Not meaning to insult you but I get childlike vibes from your posts.

I get childlike vibes and "wanna-be tough guy but know I ain't worth crap" vibes from a lot of posts on the forum.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

There doesn't have to be a point outside the fact they obviousely get off on trolling their players. Thats all just how i feel about the raids in general thats all lol

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"There doesn't need to be a point of discussion"
Is that what you're saying?
That's what you saying...Right? On the....O-On the "General DISCUSSION" sub-forum.

This isn't reddit.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

1st Glam doesn't matter, it's not really a hammer thing if its using axe animations. Look, I love axes and all but there's a huge combat difference of a giant axe vs a hammer. Axes have a remove limps method for the most bloodshed in combat and are more barbarian in taste.

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Both giant hammers and giant axes were impractical for combat and more for show. Look up 'shadeversity'. Many fantasy weapons work that way since creators don't have to worry about physics or physical limitations. Basically, there isn't anything wrong with hammer types/glamours for WAR, and they are the available class most suited to wielding them. We also have scythe glamours as well.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

There doesn't have to be a point outside the fact they obviousely get off on trolling their players. Thats all just how i feel about the raids in general thats all lol

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It's because of ff16

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Originally Posted by foussi

Wat
I literally cannot comprehend what this thread is about.

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be niec their dislexic