I was having this random thought on wondering which jobs would fit best with the DnD alignments. Obviously an alignment is mostly determined by the character regardless of which job/class it's using, but I think this doesn't mean that certain jobs don't at least suggest a philosophy that would be most appropriate for certain alignment.
In case you wouldn't know, short description of the alignments is the following (from wiki):
Take note that these apply to inner philosophy, not necessarily to an actual law that is in place. So it's possible to be a vigilante yet very lawful if you have strict principles you adhere to.Quote:
Law implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include closed-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should.
Chaos implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.
Someone who is neutral with respect to law and chaos has a normal respect for authority and feels neither a compulsion to follow rules nor a compulsion to rebel. They are honest but can be tempted into lying or deceiving others if it suits him/her.
So now comes the question, in which alignment does X job fit and in what order?
I'll make a list of lawful and chaotic and in what order the jobs fit in my opinion, you can assume that the latter jobs of given list can be considered more neutral. I'm mostly basing this off of the theme and aesthetic, not the play style.
Lawful: Paladin>Samurai>Ninja>Astrologian>Dragoon>Scholar>Summoner>Gunbreaker
Chaotic: Dark Knight>Machinist>Red Mage>Dancer>Bard>Black Mage>Monk>White Mage>Warrior
Feel free to give your opinion/ask clarification on my list or give your own lists. You can likely put jobs in either alignment depending on your reasoning.
Most fitting DnD alignment for given job.
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01-27-2020, 11:30 AMSamRFMost fitting DnD alignment for given job.
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01-27-2020, 11:37 AMMimilu
Using your theme and aesthetic-logic, my list is (in no particular order):
Lawful: Paladin, Gunbreaker, Monk, Dragoon, Samurai, White Mage, Scholar
Neutral: Bard, Machinist, Dancer, Summoner, Red Mage, Astrologian
Chaotic: Warrior, Dark Knight, Ninja, Black Mage, Blue Mage -
01-27-2020, 01:24 PMLolitaBansheeMeru
I Would say.. Alot of this I placed into Neutral because the job themself has no alignment in them as such they can choice evil or good traits and thus move to either one.
Lawfull: Paladin,Whitemage
Neutral:Warrior,Ninja,Bard,Machinist,gunbreaker,Monk,Samurai,scholar,blue mage
Chaotic: red mage,Dark knight,Dragoon,Blackmage -
01-27-2020, 01:58 PMEdax
Samurai are lawful to a fault, not sure how you rate that on a DnD scale. On top of that the player's Samurai is a Ronin outside Hingashi laws, so go figure that one out.
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01-27-2020, 08:32 PMSamRFLawful or chaotic has nothing to do with good or evil. You can be lawful evil (Garleans are a great example of this), chaotic good (Thancred is a pretty good example) , neutral evil, lawful neutral, ....Quote:
Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru
It's about the philosophy behind the job (read quote from wiki I posted), still, a job could be either depending on the character. Take machinist for example, you put it in neutral, but to me they are one of the more obvious chaotic ones since they are the typical sky pirate type nonchalant person all about freedom. They want everybody to be able to express themselves fully (in job quest the motive behind being machinist is giving the average joe a fighting chance). Got chaotic written all over it. You put White Mage in lawful but I think they're more chaotic or neutral. They seem to be in tune with nature and very reactive/adaptable to any situation, which is what defines chaotic. I could go over more jobs but I think you get the idea of what it means to be associated with either alignment. -
01-27-2020, 08:51 PMSamRFWell my first instinct was samurai being on par with paladin with how obviously they are lawful. The very way how samurai (also outside of FF) are described could perhaps be considered the very definition of lawful. You're supposed to be loyal, adhering to specific customs, have gone through rigorous training, value honor above all else, total obedience to authority, ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Edax
Maybe there are more ronins in FF than regular samurai though (your player) so that's where you'd start doubting their lawfulness. Even then though I'd still consider them lawful. While they may no longer be loyal or adhering to authority, they still adhere to specific customs (the samurai way?) and depend on using skills learnt from the (old) tradition of being a samurai. Either way, to me they seem one of the more obvious lawful jobs.
This corresponds with my motive to put warrior in neutral, but then in the opposite way. At first you'd think warrior is pretty obviously chaotic being beast like and all, but on second note, having gone through the job quests, there does seem to be a specific old tradition to being warrior since you go looking for the lost art of being a warrior, which would make them seem more lawful to their tradition and methods, so I put them as neutral leaning towards chaotic. -
01-27-2020, 09:06 PMgrinkdaboy
i think all of the jobs could fit on the alignment spectrum in some way or another
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01-27-2020, 11:04 PMSilverquick
Heh... and that's all just Basic D&D.
Advanced D&D would include...
Lawful Good
Lawful Neutral
Lawful Evil
Neutral Good
True Neutral
Neutral Evil
Chaotic Good
Chaotic Neutral
Chaotic Evil. -
01-27-2020, 11:12 PMLolitaBansheeMeruThe reason I state that in the manor I did is the alingment system in dnd (baulders gate for example) Neutral who didn't follow laws but didnt break them either as long as you dont mess with them they don't mess with you. Then you got Lawfull which was basicly your Goverment type personalitys which Followed the law no matter what and was stuck up about it. Finnally you had chaotic which was consinder the Psycho alignment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamRF
Why I place the way I did is White mages follow a set law similar to paladins in this game use the elements power to help you heal do no harm kind thing similar to doctors.
Mchs I considner neutral because for the most part they don't care about either side they just get paid to do a job and they do the job for example.
Warriors I consinder Neutral can be neutral chaotic neutral lawfull but for the most part I consinder them neutral do whatever they want so long as it brings a fight for them to enjoy.
Why I split it into it is very few times is a job just 1 of the three alignments one example of that is Monk now Monk can be neutral lawfull neutral or chaotic neutral easily -
01-27-2020, 11:13 PMSamRFSure but it's even more vague to judge how good/evil given job is cause it would be pretty much entirely dependent on the whoever is playing them. Warrior of Light would be good I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverquick
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01-28-2020, 12:24 AMKytrin
That is actually an awesome idea lol. Imagine if each job DID have such an alignment, and playing it automatically made a difference for you out in the world. As a Pally you would be above reproach and you would automatically get access to all the rescue kittens from trees type quests. There would be automatic doubt on your guilt for anything you did or was blamed on you, and the npcs would be friendlier and less hostile from the start.
Of course, the downside is that you're automatically assumed to be a leader and example and any screw ups would tarnish that reputation of yours more harshly. If you were something chaotic or neutral on the other hand, you'd have to work your way up a little more and spend more time proving yourself, but people would also be more forgiving to mistakes.
Though, personally, I'd rather assign that to characters than to jobs. Make those completely neutral. I would be very quick to make my main Chaotic Good while my alt is probably a good case for Neutral or Neutral Good. It would be a lot of fun if there were in-game consequences for your alignment in terms of reputation. Or maybe actual conflict because of it. That's probably delving a little too deeply into D&D territory though lol. -
01-28-2020, 12:26 AMLolitaBansheeMeru
Chaotic Neutral white mage incoming :) Don't worry I will Gamble away all the partys funding or Maybe I will win alot.
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01-28-2020, 12:31 AMKytrinWe need a laugh reaction for moments like this lol! That was funny! XDQuote:
Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru