Child-like characters?

No, not Lalas. I mean younger version of the available races.
Is there a reason we don't have them as an option to pick?

SE doesn't feel it would be ethical. (I'm ok with their decision on that, personally...)

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

SE doesn't feel it would be ethical. (I'm ok with their decision on that, personally...)

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Ethical how exactly?
We have Alisaie, Alphinaud, several children in MSQ and off-quests.
The only thing that would worry me is "Roleplayers".

Like they said, its mostly for ethical reason. Its different with NPCs since they can at least control what happens to them.

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Among some of the feedback we received were requests for playable characters that resembled young boys and girls. Unfortunately, this is one request we cannot consider for ethical reasons.

With every passing year the debate surrounding moral and ethical issues in games grows more intense, and we do not want to present children in battle or in pain—and posing such characters sexually and taking screenshots and so forth would be expressly forbidden.

In any event, regardless of what our players did or did not intend to do, the fact remains that if a review board were to evaluate such content and determine it were unacceptable, we would be forced to suspend FFXIV’s service. We ask that you keep these factors in mind as we strive to abide by the changing standards of the times. "

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...24#post4975024

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because perverts exist, even in FFXIV

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Originally Posted by myahele

Like they said, its mostly for ethical reason. Its different with NPCs since they can at least control what happens to them.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...24#post4975024

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Understandable.
If people can go as far as to sexualize Hrothgar and Lalas I can't even want to start imagining what they' do

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Originally Posted by Siete

Ethical how exactly?
The only thing that would worry me is "Roleplayers".

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You're on the nose.
That, and because of

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Originally Posted by myahele

Like they said, its mostly for ethical reason. Its different with NPCs since they can at least control what happens to them.

""Among some of the feedback we received were requests for playable characters that resembled young boys and girls. Unfortunately, this is one request we cannot consider for ethical reasons.

With every passing year the debate surrounding moral and ethical issues in games grows more intense, and we do not want to present children in battle or in pain—and posing such characters sexually and taking screenshots and so forth would be expressly forbidden.

In any event, regardless of what our players did or did not intend to do, the fact remains that if a review board were to evaluate such content and determine it were unacceptable, we would be forced to suspend FFXIV’s service. We ask that you keep these factors in mind as we strive to abide by the changing standards of the times. ""

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...24#post4975024

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

because perverts exist, even in FFXIV

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Yes?, then remove lalas already (:

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Originally Posted by Omymy

Yes?, then remove lalas already (:

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Purge them with fire!!!

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Originally Posted by Anienai

Purge them with fire!!!

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But...they are an invaluable food source! The world runs on popotoes.

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Originally Posted by Siete

Understandable.
If people can go as far as to sexualize Hrothgar and Lalas I can't even want to start imagining what they' do

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Someone was banned for posting sexually explicit images of a modded-in game Ryne on their twitter back at the start of Shadowbringers among other young looking characters. Sadly that person basically proved SE's stance for them then and there.

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Originally Posted by Anienai

Purge them with fire!!!

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Don't leave a single popoto!!

An Elvaan teen with a slim body using midlander heights would be awesome. Lalas already exist to help fill that niche for those that desire playing as children. Evil children but children nonetheless.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...01/894/b24.jpg

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Originally Posted by Enla

Someone was banned for posting sexually explicit images of a modded-in game Ryne on their twitter back at the start of Shadowbringers among other young looking characters. Sadly that person basically proved SE's stance for them then and there.

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This reminds me of the time my friend got mad at me and didn't talk to me for a day when I told him I ship Ryne and Thancred together and that they'd make a really cute couple.

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Originally Posted by Ftail

This reminds me of the time my friend got mad at me and didn't talk to me for a day when I told him I ship Ryne and Thancred together and that they'd make a really cute couple.

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Given that Ryne is literally 12-13 and they were making explicit porn of the character using SE's assets...?

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Originally Posted by Enla

Given that Ryne is literally 12-13 and they were making explicit porn of the character using SE's assets...?

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Ok, maybe that was a bad comparison to make. I concede.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Someone was banned for posting sexually explicit images of a modded-in game Ryne on their twitter back at the start of Shadowbringers among other young looking characters. Sadly that person basically proved SE's stance for them then and there.

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Don't you love it when someone out there has to ruin it for everyone else cause they don't know how to make their stuff private?

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Originally Posted by Ftail

This reminds me of the time my friend got mad at me and didn't talk to me for a day when I told him I ship Ryne and Thancred together and that they'd make a really cute couple.

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But Thancred is like her dad....

"Take me home Ala mhigo!"

Lalas aren't children, they're stubby teletubbies. So not really a problem with the sexualization.

-sees thread title-

Well I'm sure there's a lot of nuanced discussion to be-

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Originally Posted by Ftail

This reminds me of the time my friend got mad at me and didn't talk to me for a day when I told him I ship Ryne and Thancred together and that they'd make a really cute couple.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Don't you love it when someone out there has to ruin it for everyone else cause they don't know how to make their stuff private?

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https://i.imgur.com/Q7JKtVY.gif

Yeah, it's not happening - thankfully. The FFXIV community is unfortunately infested with some pretty creepy individuals and aside from the moral and ethical issues that would arise from adding children as playable characters it'd be terrible PR for Square Enix given what some players would be doing with and to them.

As mentioned earlier on in the thread, someone was banned on Twitter for inappropriate mods involving Ryne. Yet that's only scratching the surface - there's a lot of weird and questionable things tied to the FFXIV tags on Twitter on the part of players with blogs there.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Given that Ryne is literally 12-13 and they were making explicit porn of the character using SE's assets...?

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Well to me Ryne is like 18, just maybe I can see her age at 16. There is no way I can believe a 12 year old can fight like she does. she may appear younger because she has been imprisoned for most of her life. so she never got a chance to learn or grow

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Well to me Ryne is like 18, just maybe I can see her age at 16. There is no way I can believe a 12 year old can fight like she does. she may appear younger because she has been imprisoned for most of her life. so she never got a chance to learn or grow

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In animu, age is just a number when wielding supernatural powers. So is weight, combat experience, etc.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

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Whats wrong with his face?

On topic tho.... Just play either a female or hyur... they look young enough. You can mistake most miqos being as young as 17 or so.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

In animu, age is just a number when wielding supernatural powers. So is weight, combat experience, etc.

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True I guess. but that doesn't change the way I think about her. But before anyone's thinks bad, she isn't my waifu. Too immature mentally for my taste

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Well to me Ryne is like 18, just maybe I can see her age at 16. There is no way I can believe a 12 year old can fight like she does. she may appear younger because she has been imprisoned for most of her life. so she never got a chance to learn or grow

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This is Final Fantasy where age has never been a factor in how well someone can fight. Relm from FFVI being the perfect example given that she's 10 when she joins your party. Gau from the same game is only 13 and that game's resident Blue Mage. Pretty much every Final Fantasy, especially the modern ones, don't see age as a factor for fighting prowess. FF8 in particular has entire paramilitary organizations and wars being run by 17 year olds and lower, who have heaps of combat experience due to being raised in that environment.

You can pretend she's older all you like but she's portrayed as a pre-teen in the story and in form. Likewise SE certainly doesn't ban people for posting explicit modded screenshots of other characters due to issues with child exploitation either. If they did a whole slew of other accounts would be shut down given the prevalence of modded graphic imagery for characters like Lyse, Yshtola, and more.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Well to me Ryne is like 18, just maybe I can see her age at 16. There is no way I can believe a 12 year old can fight like she does. she may appear younger because she has been imprisoned for most of her life. so she never got a chance to learn or grow

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The problem with Ryne isn't that a 12 year old can fight like she does, loads of younger people have been contributing to fighting in all of the FF stories. The problem is with her model, it simply doesn't look like a preteen should. It looks like they took Minfilias model shrunk it down slightly and reduced the breast size and slightly changed the face. The same problem appears with Thancred, but in the opposite direction. Thancred doesn't look as old as he should be, I'm younger then him in real life by a good margin but he looks like he needs to be asked for an ID every time he buys alcohol.

Edit: I think it might have to do with the graphics or something, because the images I linked don't even look like they are taken in the same decade.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NTSGFQzkMTY/maxresdefault.jpg

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

SE doesn't feel it would be ethical. (I'm ok with their decision on that, personally...)

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After the flack Tera got by the media it will never happen.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

because perverts exist, even in FFXIV

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Yeah, see how few times people request more elderly female characters.

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Originally Posted by Enla

You can pretend she's older all you like but she's portrayed as a pre-teen in the story and in form.

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Huh? She looks and acts like a teenager. As a poster said above, I'd guess around 16.

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Originally Posted by Ftail

I think it might have to do with the graphics or something, because the images I linked don't even look like they are taken in the same decade.

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In-game Thancred looks like he is in his early twenties, which would make sense for 1.0 and ARR, but in ShB Thancred is at least ten years older than he was in 1.0 (ARR takes place five years after the end of 1.0, and Thancred spends five years on Norvrandt). Guess they didn't want to make a new ingame face for him, which is odd considering the other ShB characters (Urianger, Y'shotla, Ryne) are consistent in their appearance in both the game and in the cinematic.

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

In-game Thancred looks like he is in his early twenties, which would make sense for 1.0 and ARR, but in ShB Thancred is at least ten years older than he was in 1.0 (ARR takes place five years after the end of 1.0, and Thancred spends five years on Norvrandt). Guess they didn't want to make a new ingame face for him, which is odd considering the other ShB characters (Urianger, Y'shotla, Ryne) are consistent in their appearance in both the game and in the cinematic.

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You forget in Shadowbringers, Thancred is sucked out of his body. The Scions are in a coma and their bodies are not brought over. So his body is not as old as his "spirit" or whatever you want to call it. It's basically a 5 year pass for them.

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All i want would be the ability to play an Elezen the size of Alphie / Alise. I don't like being a giraffe

I don't see a problem when lala's and female au ra's is or can be child sized. My female au ra has lowest height setting and it's same height as children npc's. Most male npc's my characters head is only to there waist.

The problem is that people are asking explicit for (younger) child versions of races. Not a child sized race, not shorter height options, but actually asking to be teens and children. No amount of "But my character that is explicitly an adult as as tall as the tall races children" will fix that.

Something something really 700 years old.

Yeah, it ain't happening.

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Originally Posted by Ftail

The problem with Ryne isn't that a 12 year old can fight like she does, loads of younger people have been contributing to fighting in all of the FF stories. The problem is with her model, it simply doesn't look like a preteen should. It looks like they took Minfilias model shrunk it down slightly and reduced the breast size and slightly changed the face. The same problem appears with Thancred, but in the opposite direction. Thancred doesn't look as old as he should be, I'm younger then him in real life by a good margin but he looks like he needs to be asked for an ID every time he buys alcohol.

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Ryne is definitely using a modified "adult female Midlander" body model (she has the same emotes) but it's nothing new. Kan-E-Senna does as well, and I think also Alma from the Ivalice raids.

Even the standard "child body" model seems to be a scaled-down adult body rather than something that's realistically child-proportioned, presumably to save them some gear modelling work.



Thancred is 32 but apparently there's some lore somewhere about Sharlayans using enchantments to look younger than they really are - I'm not sure about the source of that, but it's consistent with him suddenly looking noticeably older at the point where he loses the ability to use magic. Because he's not in his real body currently on the First, apparently he reverted to his preferred appearance (however exactly that worked).

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

In-game Thancred looks like he is in his early twenties, which would make sense for 1.0 and ARR, but in ShB Thancred is at least ten years older than he was in 1.0 (ARR takes place five years after the end of 1.0, and Thancred spends five years on Norvrandt). Guess they didn't want to make a new ingame face for him, which is odd considering the other ShB characters (Urianger, Y'shotla, Ryne) are consistent in their appearance in both the game and in the cinematic.

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I don't think Thancred is really less consistent than the others between how he looks in the cinematic and the game. All of the faces are a bit 'off' and Minfilia looks older than she does in the game.

Is there a reason we don't have them as an option to pick?
Ohh, there IS a reason indeed. It's called "Balmung"

But, i would certainly like another race with heights between Au Ra and Lalafells; a second cute race with actual knees, that doesn't look weird when wearing most helmets