New Battle Jobs from DoL/DoH?

A few of us were discussing in IRC today the possibility of new jobs being teed off of DoL/DoH classes. Has this been suggested before? Would certainly get people crafting/gathering. Based on past comments Yoshida probably wouldn't go this route, but still might be a fun way to introduce new jobs and diversify the DoL/DoH ranks out there.

Some examples:

Beastmaster = BTN 30 / PGL 15
Chemist = ALC 30 / THM 15
Summoner =GSM 30 / CNJ 15

Any more that people think would work?

Interesting idea, but being able to level gathering or crafting classes as a battle job would probably be too drastic. Using one of your examples, people would just get GSM to 30, then play as SMN to get GSM50. I'm not sure that would work well, especially since there ought to be such jobs for every DoH and DoL class to prevent making leveling some of these classes so drastically different.

Again, interesting idea. Lets them add new jobs without adding new classes, likely jobs that wouldn't be 50.

Fair point. But let's say that happened. Would it be so terrible? The economy needs more high level crafters/gatherers. More capped crafters/gatherers would theoretically mean better supply, competition and prices. Downside would be it allows for a shortcut to cap those skills, but arguably with resting XP and the general lessening of requirements for crafting/gathering it seems like something SE is not overly concerned about if not all out encouraging.

Also, for what it's worth, you have people doing that with battle classes as well, but that seems less offensive for some reason. But in practice SE has allowed a class to get capped from level without playing it at all - so this is no different.

I will note that these new jobs would likely need more special abilities, since the actions of the crafting/gathering professions wouldn't translate to their new associated battle jobs.

I can't Assemble a mob to death.

But I do like where the idea is going.

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Originally Posted by Answa

I can't Assemble a mob to death.

But I do like where the idea is going.

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Sure you can, haven't you ever heard of an Artificer?

As somebody who is not interested in crafting beyond finding somebody to fix my gear, I say hell no. I want to play SMN too.

I am a solo-BST at heart who doesn't like crafting, but if I could get a craft up to 30 and then have it naturally get to cap while I level BST it wouldn't be too bad I don't think. Actually, if BST could be CUL 30 / PGL 15 (which also makes some sense) I would be pretty happy to become a capped chef at the same time.

Leveling GSM to 30 and then playing SMN, and ending up with a level 50 GSM? Probably a pretty good deal.

Actually I offered an idea long time ago, about L/H classes getting their own jobs (only to make the market more diverse each of the classes would have two routes/options and you could only pick one and never obtain the other) I will provide a link in an update (once I find the thread).

So jobs get like 5 new abilities to stack on top of their class abilities. Somehow I don't see myself using Goldsmith's Manipulation or Hasty Hand on Summoner very much.

im not one to say no to more stuff but

would suck to have to have crafters leveled to play a fighting class/job. unless you can XP on them in a party.

nopenopenope

in theory it could work pretty well (ie: chemist-type job, like in tactics), but in practice i just don't see it being realistic whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Land and Hand should also get Jobs make them something like:

Blacksmith → Blade Master (ability to create better weapons)
Blacksmith → Engineer (ability to create airship parts)
Goldsmith → Jeweler (ability to create better jewelry)
Goldsmith → ??? (ability to create housing items)
Armorer → Smelter (ability to create better armor)
Armorer → Engineer (ability to create airship parts)
Weaving → Designer (ability to create housing items)
Weaving → Seamstress/er (ability to better clothing)
Carpentry → Builder (ability to create housing items)
Carpentry → Joiner (ability to create better weapons)
Alchemy → Chemist (ability to create numerous beneficial potions)
Alchemy → Scientist (ability to create numerous debilitating potions)
Culinary → Iron Chef (ability to create special foods with unique benefits)
Culinary → Nutritionist (ability to create food with enhanced effects)
Tanning → Skinner (ability to tan hides with increased yields)
Tanning → Upholsterer (ability to create housing/airship parts)

wherein you have to pick one or the other, and only allow three of the crafting classes be allowed to "upgrade", that way one person will not be able to create a monopoly on the market and will encourage diversity in the economy.

Botanist → Herbologist (increases chances to find small plants while decreasing others)
Botanist → Arborologist (increases chances to find various logs while decreasing others)
Miner → Gemologist (increases rate of finding precious metals while decreasing others)
Miner → Paleontologist (increases rate of finding 'bone' materials while decreasing others)
Miner → Geologist (increases the rate of finding raw ore materials while decreasing others)
Fisher → Marine Biologist (increases rate of finding large fish while decreasing others)
Fisher → Limnologist (increases rate of finding small fish while decreasing others)

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something along those lines.

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Originally Posted by gahoo

A few of us were discussing in IRC today the possibility of new jobs being teed off of DoL/DoH classes. Has this been suggested before? Would certainly get people crafting/gathering. Based on past comments Yoshida probably wouldn't go this route, but still might be a fun way to introduce new jobs and diversify the DoL/DoH ranks out there.

Some examples:

Beastmaster = BTN 30 / PGL 15
Chemist = ALC 30 / THM 15
Summoner =GSM 30 / CNJ 15

Any more that people think would work?

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There was a running joke in my LS that BTN is the prerequisite for DRK...evil gardener coming soon

Yeah, I don't think this would be a wise idea either.

The idea wouldn't help with the market, people would only be leveling the crafting class in a grind just to unlock the class and wouldn't be willing to provide their services any further then the job. The issue isn't really a lack of high lv DoL/DoH it's the lack of space to sell items that don't stack. Materials for the most part are pretty plentiful at least from what I saw on Mysidia before merge, but what's lacking as mentioned in another thread is low level gear. Because as a high lv crafter would you rather sell 10 piece of lv 10 gear for 5k each or sell 10 pieces of lv 45 gear for 45k each. If they can fix the MW in a way where crafters could stack equipment then the market would be able to thrive better but since gear doesn't stack the only gear you'll be seeing is high level gear until they find a way to fix it.

sure, u only need to:

separate class from jobs, because has no sense to level up Beastmaster to 50 and u get Botanist 50.
Give each job new skills because has no sense a beastmaster with 5 skills and botanist skills.

In the end, SE go hell with class+jobs, and just use jobs+advanced jobs that u need to level up from 1. Like FFXI but instead subjob, cross-skills.