BLU's Suicide Spells

so, to make this short, ans we all may know a special Debuff has been added to the spells: Final sting, Self-destruct, and Transfusion, all fairly powerful spells that originally killed the user.
but now a new problem has been added to thoes spells -- not only dodes the user die immediately, but they also recive a DEBUFF that restricts them from using the move again for 9-10 minutes, regardless of weather they are raised or not...

so the problem with this is , even when it used to be only DEATH as the penalty people still used the move, either as a last ditch effort, or just memeing around, but now they cant even do that.

so to the devs on this ability i ask that you simply choose one penalty or the other.

Personally I suggest this: When a player uses either of thoes 3 spells they will become "Incapacitated" in this sense:

When they use the spells They gain the slow 50%, blind, and weakness debuffs for 20-30 seconds (cannot be removed via esuna), along with this their HP drops down to 1, and will stay there, regardless of healing for 10 seconds (taking ANY damage during this time, while your hp is at 1 will result in instant death).
(if you want you can even add the brush with death debuff to this to make it more penalizing, id prefer you didnt though, or at the very least just reduce the 10 minute timer)

this new change will allow the BLU to continue to play the game and have fun with the "suicide" spells, as there may be times where they can find use in them in a high risk, high reward situations; but not INSTAKILLING the player, but rather giving them a period of time where they are extremely easy to kill , and basically defensively helpless will make the abilities so much better.

in solo play, using self destruct or final sting would then be useful...ud just better hope you kill your target (so a bit of a gamble)

in parties, the Atheric mimicry: healer, could use transfusion in times where he needs to panic heal , or restore an allies mp before jumping to the back line and praying nothing comes flying his way.

Isn't this spell required for a certain hunt mob? They should remove the debuff in general.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

Isn't this spell required for a certain hunt mob? They should remove the debuff in general.

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the debuff was put in place because people used it to cheat jumping puzzles by dying and being raised into the spot they needed, so i doubt they’ll ever remove it. also, i could be wrong, but i don’t think this spell is required, people used it because it was easier.

I believe the debuff was added because it made clearing multi act carnival fairly easy with buffing up final sting or self destruct.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I believe the debuff was added because it made clearing multi act carnival fairly easy with buffing up final sting or self destruct.

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"Blue is not allowed to do things because it's designed to be overpowered"

*Proceeds to nerf it for being overpowered*

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I believe the debuff was added because it made clearing multi act carnival fairly easy with buffing up final sting or self destruct.

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I think it was more how BLU parties could quick clear dungeons by abusing Final Sting and Self-Destruct. Much of the 5.1 "balance" changes seemed to be built around prepping the job for group content.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I believe the debuff was added because it made clearing multi act carnival fairly easy with buffing up final sting or self destruct.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

"Blue is not allowed to do things because it's designed to be overpowered"

*Proceeds to nerf it for being overpowered*

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I think I might have mentioned something about adding re-raise (Angel Whisper) spell and then adding cooldown so players could use it without it being some sort of carnival gimmick (that you could final sting in combat if you so chose, and still be part of the combat without needing someone to baby sit you), but I mean that also came with a whole avalanche of other buffs and comments on making it more powerful so it could effectively solo it's own spell book lol.

Although I think it's more likely that it's what Ultimatecalibur said and has nothing to do with me (they even said they're not taking blue mage feedback till 5.1 lol), just wanted to say I wouldn't mind 'barely controlled' chaos, chaos with a name and shape. As I'd prefer the job takes a shape for rotation rather spam your best spell sort of deal, avoiding building a job on the excitement of a single trick (or build) until they add another one.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

I think it was more how BLU parties could quick clear dungeons by abusing Final Sting and Self-Destruct. Much of the 5.1 "balance" changes seemed to be built around prepping the job for group content.

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That said I don't really like the PF direction and the balance tweaks for that (don't like having to deal with PF, don't like the get it while it's hot or don't get it design style, and I think they're limiting enjoyable chaos so it can group- like Angel Whisper which has always been either a full life raise with status removal or re-raise cure but here it's just a raise on a long cooldown).

Even if it's a direction I dislike I hope they do a presentation again sometime and figure out what the job is actually supposed to be, redo that slide and reorient the ship. Because as your funny quote, as with like all the original points given to us really, the crew on the ship seem to be all pointing different directions. "Don't want it to be excluded in groups or cause issues if it doesn't have spells" SE: "that's why we made savage pf content that'll do exactly that!" I'm not an eye rolling type of person but I almost involuntarily did that when I heard about "pf blue" content (and the issues I have with designing the job around having to get groups, manually in a separate system no less (pf), to get the skills that make your job feel good, meaning later players are not going to have a good blue mage experience without a lot of issues).

You mean like the infamous jumping puzzle in Kugane? That one is so badly designed that it deserves to be cheesed.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

You mean like the infamous jumping puzzle in Kugane? That one is so badly designed that it deserves to be cheesed.

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What you don't like having to jump from standing over thin air to a spot in thin air?

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

What you don't like having to jump from standing over thin air to a spot in thin air?

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I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over that invisible wall I just face planted into.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

What you don't like having to jump from standing over thin air to a spot in thin air?

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They should have made the tower aggro players so the people that face planted into the ground actually died :P

Should have called them Bluicide spells in the topic title! :D

I know ones who got married and just use there ring to teleport to there partner so don't have to do the jumps. Adding long cd and debuffs is another reason for me never to touch blue mage anymore.