First, why does tank stance turn off at the beginning of dungeons randomly? I swear that trips me up a good 30% of the time; run in, pull a bunch of crap, notice that enmity is all over the place and "DAMNIT! AGAIN!?" I'm sure I'll get used to it, but just... why?
Second, how do you recognize tank busters? Is there some kind of specific tell or do I need to just pop sheltron every time it looks the boss is winding up for something?
Think that's it. Tanking is actually pretty fun; I like being the one in the group who can fight everything head on. My sense of direction sucks, though.
New tank here, have some random questions.
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11-20-2019, 12:04 AMGoji1639New tank here, have some random questions.
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11-20-2019, 12:13 AMNedkel
Because imagine if your coop tank forgot about turning it off in raids or alliance raids. Lol
For tank busters i rely on my sixth sense i gained after playing tanks for extended amount of time. Hehe -
11-20-2019, 12:16 AMwhiskeybravo
Tank stance will remain on unless you switch jobs or end up getting level synced in a dungeon.
Tankbusters are just something you'll learn along the way, most of them have a cast bar so just try to remember the names/attack patterns as you go -
11-20-2019, 12:19 AMNoitems
1) Level Sync does that since it resets your status to whatever level you are. Trust me doing it in dungeons isn't that bad, forgetting you turned off tank stance for a mechanic in a savage and pulling is far worse haha.
2) For most cases now with SHB you just gotta pay attention the move names. Prior to that the general motion was TB -> Raidwide but with Titania they made it so Raidwide - TB. Meanwhile Eden Prime is TB - Raidwide so you gotta pay attention. When you tank enough you can generally predict what will be what on a first fight basis but overtime you'll naturally learn what does what so better map your mitigation. -
11-20-2019, 12:21 AMshao32level sync turn off you tank stance, every time you go to a dungeon of lower level that you current tank remember to put on tank stance again, if you notice on expert rouletes that don't happen since they put you on content of the same levle of you tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goji1639
for tank busters well it's more getting used what every boss does, every time a boss cast a attack that means it can be an aoe mechanic like party damage/don't stare/party stack, ect, or a tank buster, with time you will learn what attack is the TB by getting hit by it, so try to focus on what it's casting and what it does so next time doesn't cach you off guard and you can mitigate it properly (note: certain boses don't cast anything to do a TB kind of attack but those are pretty rare like the last boss of castrum abania lvl69 dungeon), be sure you mitigate when the boss target you withspecific mechanics like run away marks too, normally you have to intercept certain links that target you party members but in resume if test and try again.
if you still don't know how to dealt with certain mechanics feel free to ask in the novice network or look for a guide on youtube, there is even dungeons guides so it can help you to identify them on future conten since they repeat most of the time. -
11-20-2019, 12:23 AMLodi
If you think "I don't like the name of this attack" then it's probably a tank buster :)
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11-20-2019, 12:36 AMGoji1639
Thanks everyone.
Since I'm mainly tanking through the MSQ and random roulettes now, a lot of these dungeons are basically 1 run then I rarely see them again. It's not like they're difficult dungeons, but the game throws so many at you that learning what specific move is what for each boss is kind of futile.
I figured if there was some kind of subtle cue that would allow me to make reads it would be good practice, and help me tank a little better in all these new dungeons. If it's just knowing what move is what for every individual boss, I'll just have to do research if/when I start tanking hard content. -
11-20-2019, 01:01 AMLodi
Joking aside, if you see an attack with a cast bar then it's either a raidwide, a TB, or a mechanic. There's sometimes no way to tell which is what until you eat it, but in dungeons it's rarely lethal anyways.
Cues can be found in the animations though!
An enemy's arm glowing red can indicate a one-sided aoe, a long windup can indicate a TB, etc
As for harder content, guides often give you the attack names and their effects, so you just need to memorize them. -
11-20-2019, 01:35 AMPalibun
Any level sync will turn of tank stance, fates do the same. I'll admit when i take a big tank break it even throws me off, but you'll get used to it.
If you have any greet macros you can tie it to that, ex:
Hi (or whatever greet you want)
/wave
/ac "Iron Will"
For tank busters you kinda just learn them over time. You can try looking up guides but i think that takes away from the enjoyment of learning how to combat it yourself. -
11-20-2019, 03:18 AMKabooaEarly on, 'tank busters' are just instant cast attacks that deal higher damage. You don't really get into the standard tankbuster design until 50+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goji1639
However, in almost every fight, the "Busters" happen first, of raid and tank variety. I can't say if it's one or the other every time, but generally, the first two ability names that pop up will be tank or party buster for the last boss of a dungeon.
In 90%+ of cases, those 'busters' are also cast time abilities with a few exceptions, such as the Yol in Bardram's mettle, who don't care none bout fight conventions. -
11-20-2019, 04:58 AMBarretOblivion
Tankbusters... you get hit and watch your health, if its a big chunk or you just die... that's a tankbuster. Most fights currently have a list of tankbusters on the internet so if you are doing some sort of end game content a quick look will give you what you need.
The tank stance turn off happens when you sync down for dungeons/ other content. Its just a wierd thing. -
11-20-2019, 04:57 PMTheForce
Regarding TB's, there's not really a "one-size-fits-all" way of knowing if an incoming attack will be a Tank Buster aside from just memorizing the name of it, however, the vast majority of them require a cast, so be sure to always keep an eye on the boss's cast bar, and also the name of the attack being cast.
But there are some TB's that don't require the boss to cast them, and they come out very quickly and seemingly randomly, don't fret though, most bosses follow a pattern in the attacks they cast, so the moment you see the the attack that precedes the TB, start preparing and you'll be good (The second boss of Akadaemia is like this, Lash is the TB but there is no cast bar for it). -
11-22-2019, 04:43 PMConando
It gets shut off by level sync. It’s always been a thing for some bizarre reason. So just remember, if your level is synced down tank stance will start shut off.
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11-23-2019, 05:59 AM3c-33
There's some pretty big inconsistencies with tanking from dungeon to dungeon as far as tankbuster damage goes and when they show up or if they're even worth mitigating. in the level 50-60 dungeons, if you're adequately geared, the damage that comes from them is laughable for the most part
What I've found is that there's generally 3 kinds of tankbusters that you'll see
1. completely random busters, honestly no way of knowing when they'll do it. In particular for this kind I can only think of dohn mheg's second boss (unless I'm dumb but I swear I can never tell when it's going to come out so I end up getting chunked for 3/4 of my hp every time lol) and I'm sure there's others I can't remember right now
2. Stormblood starts introducing busters that tend to always occur after a set of mechanics, starting right away with sirensong's final boss. Every time the boss casts "morbid march/retreat," an instant cast buster almost immediately follows it, which is a fairly recognizable enough pattern when you've run it enough times to notice. The final bosses of shisui and bardam's mettle follow this pattern too, as do others I'm sure I can't remember off the top of my head
3. The ones you can actually see the cast for. I atleast noticed for shadowbringers, nearly every buster I saw casted sounded like one while I was running them blind, which was something I enjoyed, names that clearly indicate what's about to happen (The tickler, headcrusher, crippling blow, stonefist, rend, ripper fang, etc) Of course there's also plenty of the more odd ones you can't really tell that I still can't remember for the life of me (like most of mt gulg honestly) -
11-23-2019, 04:17 PMTintThat's not for a specific boss, but I have heared of tanks who count the auto attacks the boss does and know that after maybe every 8 auto attacks comes the tank buster or so. My concentration is not good enough for that... >.>Quote:
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11-23-2019, 05:53 PMilione
if it sounds like ouch (e.g. stonecrusher, ravenous assault), it's probably a buster. if it also sounds spooky, it might be a magical buster (shadowflame). sometimes se is a troll and makes magical busters that sound physical (ravenous assault) but you don't have to worry about that much unless you play drk or to an extent gnb
occasionally you'll have bosses with few to no busters per say, but heavy autos that chunk you as well, then you just have to memorize when they go out -
11-24-2019, 09:45 AMRyphenThat boss's TB isn't as random as you think. It's called Rake and it follows the rules of your second example. The first one happens a few seconds after you engage him. So if you lob to pull, then run through him while hitting your next GCD, by the time he spins around to face you and not the rest of the party, he's about ready to nail you. He does another one after a specific set of mechanics but I can't remember which off the top of my head.Quote:
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11-25-2019, 01:42 AMWindwalkerTank stance turns off when you enter lower level dungeons or leave them to enter higher level dungeons, also in many cases i forgot putting the stance back on while checking my other jobs waiting for dungeon queue.Quote:
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11-25-2019, 09:07 AMIscah
It's not just tank stance that gets turned off when you level-sync - it removes any similar status buffs from other classes and resets built-up gauges to zero.
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11-25-2019, 09:13 AM3c-33idk maybe im dumb ): i know i've had several moments where i keep using cooldowns in anticiapation of it only for it to never come, then i have nothing when it does hit lmaoQuote:
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11-25-2019, 12:45 PMRyphenI've done the same thing. I usually get the first one but by the time the second one comes around, I've stopped paying attention and just kind of guess. Unless I'm dying consistently to an attack of that type, my brain chooses to ignore keeping track of its timing and just worries about the things with a cast bar or obvious visual tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3c-33