The Firmament CONJESTED

I have just tried to get into the firmament to participate in the fate. Except there are SO many players it's full and I and many others couldn't get in! Why was this stuff not instanced? Players from other servers have came and caused such a big influx of people that native's of the server can't take part.
I can see from shouts people are already tracking the progress of each server to go to every fate. So this problem will not go away.
Please hotfix this issue somehow :( very disappointed that I went early and couldn't get in!

Yeah, its scary. I'm crafting at my house to avoid all the lag I was getting there. And I'm on Bryn, one of the smallest servers out there.

These events being staggered and being able to do on all servers is silly if it's stopping people actually doing it ON THEIR OWN SERVER.

Yeah, I'm on Zodiark too. I have been gathering, crafting and turning in since just after 11 this morning when the content could be accessed (and enjoying it, make no mistake). Our server's progress was great, and it was nice to feel part of working towards something in this way. So I'm off to gather things, and decide to craft before returning to hand in and do the FATE. I get there, to Foundation, 10 minutes before, and meh, can't get in. On my own server. And when I finally do get in, it's all over and there's a bunch of people from other servers, deciding to take their "train" to the next server to do the same. Don't get me wrong. These people have been doing their work too, so I don't begrudge them the extra tokens on one hand. However, when it actually stops me getting into the thing on my own server, I have to think there's something a bit squiffy about this set-up, and it's leaving something of a sour taste after a really fun day.

So, I'm asking for one of two things as a fix, one more favourable than the other:

1. People cannot join in with the crafting FATE if it is not on their own server. They can't even enter the instance.

OR

2. Stack instances and somehow mush the results into one overall result for the server, reflected in all instances. This would be my preference (because I don't like taking shinies from others as in the first solution I have here), but I'm not in charge of this thing and don't know how this stuff works, don't know what SE can implement to alleviate this situation. I'm just a disgruntled customer, who has been waiting for this for months and subbed back to the game for it, and I'm disappointed in this poor handling of what was always going to be a very popular addition to the game.

/rant

EDIT, post rant. I have no real idea if people visiting from other worlds is the true issue here, so preventing them from entering the instance may not even fix the issue. It's my hope that SE will look at this and figure out something more in the way of the second solution so no one misses out, regardless of home world.

I am staying in the firmament intill the FATE pops I am not risking being looked out.

I dont think restricting outsiders to the fates is a good idea long-term. Sure, itll help mitigate the onslaught of people, but what about when restoration dies down? What reason would there be to help out some low-pop surver struggling to get to the halfway point when most others are complete AND you can get a fate at them?

Id much prefer the instance option, though Im not sure if it would be the best fit since thered prolly be instance hopping for bonus rewards.

I think some kinda extra bonhs to the fate based on how much you contributed in your world would at least trim the herd a little bit, would be complicated to impliment

Perhaps completing the FATE could apply some kind of character debuff that prevents you from doing another one for X hours?

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Originally Posted by Dhaid

I dont think restricting outsiders to the fates is a good idea long-term. Sure, itll help mitigate the onslaught of people, but what about when restoration dies down?

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You take it off?

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Originally Posted by Dhaid

I dont think restricting outsiders to the fates is a good idea long-term. Sure, itll help mitigate the onslaught of people, but what about when restoration dies down? What reason would there be to help out some low-pop surver struggling to get to the halfway point when most others are complete AND you can get a fate at them?

Id much prefer the instance option, though Im not sure if it would be the best fit since thered prolly be instance hopping for bonus rewards.

I think some kinda extra bonhs to the fate based on how much you contributed in your world would at least trim the herd a little bit, would be complicated to impliment

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People from your own world are what causes the fate bar to fill.

Those who wander only contribute to your restoration progress for whatever they do during the FATE (as in if its a gold silver bronze or fail). That is the only time they have an impact on your world.

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Originally Posted by Wiccan026

People from your own world are what causes the fate bar to fill.

Those who wander only contribute to your restoration progress for whatever they do during the FATE (as in if its a gold silver bronze or fail). That is the only time they have an impact on your world.

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It said somewhere in the help text that whatever items you hand in are contributed to the world you are currently located on, not your home world.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It said somewhere in the help text that whatever items you hand in are contributed to the world you are currently located on, not your home world.

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It did, it's in the patch notes. Wanderers on other worlds contribute to where they visiting/currently located and not where they came from. So aside from the congestion issues, it's actually beneficial for a world to have visitors for this activity.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Perhaps completing the FATE could apply some kind of character debuff that prevents you from doing another one for X hours?

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WoW started doing that and it seems to be working pretty well. Some events give you a 1 hour duration "can't get rewards from this again" debuff upon completion. It lets people do the events locally when they spawn, but keeps people from constantly server hopping and overloading instances.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

It did, it's in the patch notes. Wanderers on other worlds contribute to where they visiting/currently located and not where they came from. So aside from the congestion issues, it's actually beneficial for a world to have visitors for this activity.

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For the activity itself, perhaps. It is detrimental, however, to the players on their home servers, choosing not to server hop, being locked out of participating due to the wanderers filling the area. Blocked from rewards that you should've had access to.

The event will be completed regardless, so there's no real benefit to have world visitors.

Since the Fate is tied to the server, wouldn't best solution be to have it instanced, but have all the instances pop the fate at the same time? Whichever finishes first triggers the next part of the chain? This would spread out the fate and allow more people to participate, and also reduce the lag. Just peaved more than anything else about this. The first fate I was able to be apart of, but I could not participate due to the lag (I could not target anything). The second fate that popped, I could not participate due to the zone being congested and I could not log in due to all of the off-worlders in the area. I just feel frustrated that I cannot participate on my own server.

This will calm down but how far down the road? when the restoration is close to finished? This needs a short-term solution to deal with the congestion.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

WoW started doing that and it seems to be working pretty well. Some events give you a 1 hour duration "can't get rewards from this again" debuff upon completion. It lets people do the events locally when they spawn, but keeps people from constantly server hopping and overloading instances.

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They could apply an 7-8 hour debuff (which is the duration between each fate).

Either that or change it data-center wide.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

For the activity itself, perhaps. It is detrimental, however, to the players on their home servers, choosing not to server hop, being locked out of participating due to the wanderers filling the area. Blocked from rewards that you should've had access to.

The event will be completed regardless, so there's no real benefit to have world visitors.

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Blocked from what rewards exactly? Most of the items that can be obtained with Scrips can actually be traded with others and/or sold on the Marketboard, so it doesn't matter at all who competes the activities (wanderers or locals). And I'm sure whether players choose to participate in the event now or later down the line, the rewards will still exist so in this regard no one is completely blocked from them.

If a group of players want to join their friends on X world to do the activities, let them, that's the whole point of world visit. Just add temporary instances to the Firmament, simple that's all it needs, non of this drama about being blocked.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Blocked from what rewards exactly? Most of the items that can be obtained with Scrips can actually be traded with others and/or sold on the Marketboard, so it doesn't matter at all who competes the activities (wanderers or locals). And I'm sure whether players choose to participate in the event now or later down the line, the rewards will still exist so in this regard no one is completely blocked from them.

If a group of players want to join their friends on X world to do the activities, let them, that's the whole point of world visit. Just add temporary instances to the Firmament, simple that's all it needs, non of this drama about being blocked.

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Forcing a server to not be able to participate in a specific fate on their Own server and having to make them craft for it is unbelievable because people get greedy and make other servers congested. People want to feel like they're contributing to the project, not have other people do it for them. This whole thing has make other servers toxic toward each other when this was suppose to be a work together event, now it's just people shouting "Get over it". If you want to join your friends and craft to help sure, but you should not be able to participate in the fate on another server. The fate needs to have a daily limit to it to lessen the chance of congestion. Making instances to the firm will not solve anything since people will just do the fate and switch instances still making it congested.

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Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

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Yoshi has spoken, emergency measures maybe implemented but for now it really is a "get over it" situation and see what happens.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...13#post5232513

On a side note, did it really take this content for people to make a big fuss when such congestion issues have been going on for a substantial amount of time already, specifically talking about hunts. But that's fine, wanderers come to kill stuff all the time and "lock" others from participating in hunts native to their world, but hey ho let's act like the problem is new....

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Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

Forcing a server to not be able to participate in a specific fate on their Own server and having to make them craft for it is unbelievable because people get greedy and make other servers congested. People want to feel like they're contributing to the project, not have other people do it for them. This whole thing has make other servers toxic toward each other when this was suppose to be a work together event, now it's just people shouting "Get over it". If you want to join your friends and craft to help sure, but you should not be able to participate in the fate on another server. The fate needs to have a daily limit to it to lessen the chance of congestion. Making instances to the firm will not solve anything since people will just do the fate and switch instances still making it congested.

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I agree with MitsuKimura.
The Ifriti horn is tradeable. There were several listed for sale for 5 million. In the fate I was in last night on Bryn before I fell asleep from exhaustion, it looked like more than half of the participants were wanderers and people were reporting being locked out of the instance on the home world. People may have been helping and thanking wanderers for help on our server. We do value kindness, but we don't really need the help. Bryn has plenty of crafters.
I do think it sucks that you can't join friends or that balmung or mateus may now have an overcrowding problem, but you choose what server you're on. You can always make an alt for lower-population servers, and with the new leveling changes, getting high enough to participate is a snap.
But this fix is flawed. It does suck that you can't participate in a FATE that may be up while you're playing when one isn't up on your own server.
I hope they implement instances soon for this event, and deal with the issue of people exploiting even that, when it hurts other players.

A possibly better solution maybe would have been, until all worlds in a data center hit the same point, only then will the fate spawn at the same time on all worlds. But I can understand just preventing players from other worlds participating.