At the moment it's just barbaric and I know this has been screamed numerous times now but I feel it's really detrimental to people's mental health. (Okay so it's their choice whether or not they spend up to 20 hours clicking on a house placard that might not ever let them buy it but come on..)
I spent up to six hours yesterday on one house battling for it with another guy. Turned out he was botting and ended up getting the house. I had to stand there and watch as he kept tilting his head at the sign for up to twenty plus minutes after he purchased the property we were both clicking on.
I spent five hours at another house where I'm currently at right now, which still hasn't unlocked and there's eight people here. God knows how many of them are also bots. I know some of them aren't because we joke around.
Before that, I've spent countless hours at house plots where I've been -completely- alone and they haven't unlocked after hours of my face desking at all hours in the morning.
Yes. Trolls and unhelpful people are just going to say it's my fault for trying to buy a house but to be honest, I think that's extremely detrimental and unfair. I've been trying to get a house for myself and my friends for a long time now. The system is absolutely inane and it needs looking into, properly.
- Get rid of the RNG timer or make it less taxing
- Limit the number of properties that a single player can own
- Open more wards or more housing areas. It's not hard.
- Please don't throw them all into instances. The current format is good. It just needs to be implemented properly.
- Take more action to ban/remove bots/botting from the game.
At any rate, I'm giving up for the time being because I don't have anymore time off and my hands, fingers, etc are very numb from clicking. Please fix this system. It's cruel. :/
Please alter the housing system a little bit?
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11-01-2019, 12:20 AMHaru304Please alter the housing system a little bit?
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11-01-2019, 12:36 AMJWag12787
I am legit curious. How do you tell the difference between a bot and someone just button clicking?
Had people around me and my GM accusing us of botting, cause messages stop me from clicking. The fiends!
- Get rid of the RNG timer or make it less taxing
- - also makes it impossible to get housing. first come first serve is easier, but then bots will get to it that much easier too
- Limit the number of properties that a single player can own
- - they already do. 1 FC and 1 personal. they just didn't make it retroactive to players from before the change
- Open more wards or more housing areas. It's not hard.
- - each ward requires server resources. since they're all open world, its gotta be treated like another open world. so "additional stress" has to be tested and confirmed. it's not hard is definitely a false belief.
- Please don't throw them all into instances. The current format is good. It just needs to be implemented properly.
- Take more action to ban/remove bots/botting from the game.
- - they delete and take action to hundreds almost every week. it doesn't help when players support the bots, and when bots come faster than the reports. its also more of a hassle to report bots, which doesn't help, but i don't want it easy, cause they'd report people for botting just to get them out of the way.
The current system isn't perfect, but it at least keeps it semi-balanced. -
11-01-2019, 06:11 AMHaru304
Hey there! Thanks for getting back to me.
I presumed they were a bot because about thirty minutes after actually managing to successfully buy the house, they were still there clicking on the sign endlessly which implied they weren't physically at the workstation or having to input commands themselves. It really irritated myself and the other person who had been there for roughly the same amount of time. Unfortunately, there's no such way of knowing if that's what they're doing -while- they're doing it but it seemed to be the case. :shrug:
I think there are potential alternatives to the RNG timer system currently in place. A lottery, a waiting list (arguably the current system is a waiting list for people who have time to stand next to a sign and break their keyboards, controller or mouse for hours on end). First come, first serve at least ensures that players aren't wasting away next to a placard for unhealthy amounts of hours. Ultimately, that's up to them, of course but these games are designed to be addictive and the 'carrot on a stick' effect is extremely intoxicating for a lot of people. It's a bit grating to see my friends complaining about how they can't get a house, will never have one, etc, and then I go to try and prove them wrong but the system can't appreciate 14+ hours of physical clicking effort. Q_QQuote:
Limit the number of properties that a single player can own
- they already do. 1 FC and 1 personal. they just didn't make it retroactive to players from before the change
Well I'm glad they've done that at least. Guess they can't make it retroactive or it would be extremely unfair, though arguably I'm not very keen on people who are overly greedy about these things. "I have x amount of houses /flex" - plsss staaahp.Quote:
Limit the number of properties that a single player can own
- they already do. 1 FC and 1 personal. they just didn't make it retroactive to players from before the change
Obviously it's a bit ignorant for me to make that statement so I'll elaborate a little. I don't know how their servers work or how big they are, but I imagine they can be upgraded or expanded to facilitate demand. I've had housing in Everquest, Runescape, Guild Halls in Guild Wars, Garrisons in WoW for every player, housing in ToR, entire instanced area in GW2 that are player specific, etc, etc. Obviously all of these games have different parameters and requirements, but FFXIV obviously isn't meeting any reasonable parameter to ensure a fair and stable system. I think the amount of money we put into the game justifies a request for additional work from the developer to spend time refining these systems so they work to an enjoyable standard.Quote:
Open more wards or more housing areas. It's not hard.
- each ward requires server resources. since they're all open world, its gotta be treated like another open world. so "additional stress" has to be tested and confirmed. it's not hard is definitely a false belief.
All in all, I'm going to keep trying but I hope they make it slightly less murderous on my hands. -
11-01-2019, 06:59 AMLissandra
Right now your best bet is to level a FC to rank 6 as fast as possible and get a fc house in one of the new wards, OP. There is still plenty open in the goblet. You mentioned getting a house for you and your friends, so why not make it into a FC endeavor instead of getting a personal so you can have them as tenants (if this was your intention).
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11-01-2019, 08:17 AMDogempire
I just wish they would do something other than this current system. The way the house demolishing system currently works encourages either botting it or sitting for hours on end bored out of your mind as everyone huddles around a placard for hours on end just for only 1 person to get it because they clicked at the right second, wasting the time everyone else spent spam clicking.
While I personally am not strapped for time and could spend 8-20 hours spam clicking a placard on most days, I can think of a million things more engaging and worth my time and I'm sure a lot of other players who don't have houses feel the same way. -
11-01-2019, 04:35 PMBesame
The only way to make them see the error of their ways is to stop subbing. That is the only thing they understand, the almighty dollar.
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11-02-2019, 01:04 AMHaru304
So after over thirty consecutive hours, I am now the owner of a house on Balmung. System's amazing, I love it, thanks Square Enix. Aaaaaaaaay.
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11-02-2019, 01:49 AMFrizzeLiterally no one ive read on here thinks that the system is perfect, but they have made improvements over time and continue to be open to feedback. But getting a house on Balmung isnt easy, so congrats.Quote:
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12-09-2019, 12:08 AMBehindTheFlowers
I second this. Its a hopeless battle where there is to many loosers compared to winners. They might as well have made the whole housing, a lottery in the Saucer. Then people had at least not felt so dejected and bored over all this.
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12-05-2020, 02:41 AMPalindrome3DThe timer is good, with out the random timer you get people still using bots, taking the plot, and scalping it out of game for large Gil amounts or for real money cash. They need to at least allow FC's to bypass the timers and prioritize FC's like they do when new housing is implemented, or just simply treat the wards like the pages of Apartment or FC rooms. Once a page is full up, another is added. Just keep adding wards as they fill up if they're not gonna do something about the bots.Quote:
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12-05-2020, 04:34 AMERMITANYO
OT: I just hope that this coming year ushers in more quality of life content improvements in terms of housing, so every player sprouts or not will have something nice that is within reach upon completing requirements, a place to use their creativity in decorating and gardening. It may not be in a plot but at least an alternative that is more than adequately spaced, as well as aesthetically and functionally pleasing.
But untill such time...if a plot is out of reach...get an apartment its better than fc rooms (in terms of displacement in the event of fc disband, transfer, or expulsion) , and inns (in terms of customizability). -
12-05-2020, 05:24 AMPalindrome3Dthe way SE handled retro active plot holders are, if they lose it they cant get it back. So if someone had 3 plots because of their extra FC's and Extra characters, if at any point they lose the plot, ei :not logging in, they lose it for good. Eventually those players will die out, Either stop playing the game or lose their homes from circumstance, they will be held to the same standards as everyone else hence forth. The players I feel most bad for the active military members who get deployed for months on end, pay for the sub still and lose their homes anyways and are unable to get back into the market because of the lack of plots.Quote:
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12-05-2020, 09:42 PMFrizzeIf they allow FCs to bypass the timer then the timer is pointless. Most of the people buying plots to resell(including the ones that would use bots to instantly check for openings and teleport hacks to get to the placard instantly) are buying FC houses. So the timer going away for FCs only would be the same as the timer going away in general, and legit players would only see openings when new wards were added. As for dynamic ward generation, theyve been asked specifically about this and said it isnt possible with their setup. Because housing wards are always spawned, they need to physically upgrade hardware every time they expand them.Quote:
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12-06-2020, 06:09 AMJojoyaI would hope active military members are intelligent enough not to buy in the first place knowing their chances of being deployed and not having access to the game during that time. Being a tenant of a house owned by a family member or good friend is still an option so when they are able to play they can enjoy the house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palindrome3D
People need to play smart. If you know your real life situation is going to conflict with something in a game, don't get invested in that something. If you value something in a game so much that you fear losing it, you need a reality check. It is just a game. -
12-08-2020, 01:17 AMLaylaTsarra
What I find hard to understand is the fact that alts can't buy a house on the same server if their main owns a private. They did a pretty good job of preventing that from happening with the rule changes for 4.2.
Why is it they can't set up the system so that only one character owned by that person (and there can be 8 characters per server) can be the leader of a FC. I'm not sure how the coding would work exactly but one could or should not be able to transfer lead of a FC to an alt if one is already run (led) by another alt on that same server. That would stop the multiple purchases and ownership by that particular account.
Relative to the demolition time I still feel a paying sub should be all that is necessary to keep that house. If a sub is inactive for 45 days (or whatever timeframe is deemed appropriate) then demolition should be applicable. I was never a fan of the enter the house model personally. -
12-08-2020, 03:31 AMJojoyaBecause it's always possible the player's alts are leaders of legitimate FCs instead of just shell FCs. Maybe one FC is for role play and the other is for raiding. Should the raiding FC be denied a FC house just because of the other character's RP FC. It's probably why they had to relax the purchase restriction of the "one FC house per account" rule added in 4.2 - legitmate FCs were negatively being effective because many players had characters in more than one FC.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
What SE really needs to do is redefine what a FC is, and how many active unique player members are required for house ownership. A Free Company with a single active member has stopped being a Free Company and turned into Free Agent for Hire. The game should be disbanding it after a short warning period to allow for recruitment and disbanding it without any warning if it happens a second time.
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12-08-2020, 05:40 AMLaylaTsarraThey don't need to be leaders of more than one they can be members. One leader per account per server seems like a good and justifiable position for SE to implement. It appeared to be the intent of the rules introduced in 4.2 and should actually be what is allowed to happen in practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
Relative to active members seems to me 4 is the number needed to create one and 4 should be the minimum to keep that FC viable. There could be a limited time grace period for that FC to recruit other members if they drop below the minimum. Those characters in my opinion should also be different accounts and not simply alts used to populate it.
Furthermore recognizing that some create FC's so they can actually share a house with their alts or family members which is more than justifiable in my opinion currently, the implementation of allowing alts to share a personal house needs to happen to give those alts a viable and justifiable medium to actually use a house their main owns without resorting to a FC purchase. Case in point I have a small FC on Balmung in the Goblet that I personally share with 4 alts but I also have multiple friends who have alts on that same server who are also members of my FC. -
12-08-2020, 05:51 AMAlmagnus1IMO you should be asking a couple of different questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
Why does SE allow an FC to own an a house that has less members than the number of signers needed to create it?
Why isn't SE freeing houses that have less than four active subscriptions?
As an FYI, you need four different players (and they can't be on the same account as the signer) and that implies that SE intended that there would be four subscriptions going to the FC. I'm generally fine with decoupling the FC housing checks from personal housing provided that the above two checks are made, and a system is in place that's hard to abuse so if someone really wants to throw money at it to get the multiple houses, they can. For that matter, the entire FC system needs to also check that one account isn't leader of more than one FC, and transferring leadership will fail if an account already has a character that's a leader of an FC. All of this should be on a per server basis btw. -
12-08-2020, 05:54 AMLaylaTsarraI just updated my post to address this prior to seeing yours. I totally agree.Quote:
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That is exactly what i had in mind. Any attempt to make an alt a leader in a FC should be null in void if that character already has his main or another alt as leader somewhere else on that server. A flag is placed on an account the minute a private purchase is made on a server preventing the purchasing of another private house by another character from that account. Similarly a flag needs to be put on that account the minute a character is made the leader of a FC preventing other characters from becoming leaders somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1