Copied Factory

I didn't enjoy it. :/
That's all. Sorry

What about it didn't you enjoy? Not bashing but genuinely curious.

Same here didn't enjoy it at all. If lag any you keep dying in it.

I enjoyed it.

I got a kick from how the second boss was basically GLaDOS, but that's about it.

The raid itself was okay, I guess, but the story/setting just feels way too detached from Final Fantasy for me to care very much. 2.x was directly inspired by FF3; 3.x was kind of its own thing but it at least stayed within FFXIV's setting and revolved around Diabolos who is a recurring FF entity; 4.x was directly inspired by the Ivalice games (FFTactics and FF12); but I don't even know what this is supposed to be. It also introduces what I see as a little bit of a MSQ plot hole (I would spoiler this if I knew how but I don't, so instead I'll just put in some more line breaks and hope that nobody reading this hasn't already finished 5.0):













Why do we bust our asses trying to make this giant golem thing to climb to Mount Gulg with when there was literally something big enough to probably fit the bill right in Kholusia's back yard? It kinda makes that whole segment of the MSQ feel a lot more pointless in retrospect.

Anyway, I imagine the people who are fans of Nier are really stoked, but for those that aren't or haven't even played it, it's kind of a big "whaaaa?"

Some of it’s just a little too chaotic for my taste. I still like it, though.

I enjoyed it. The mechanics were elegant in their simplicity, as they say. They look incredibly difficult, but really are quite simple when it comes down to it.

The 2nd boss is neat in that each alliance has different mechanics, as well as similar mechanics to react to, so it's somewhat different each run depending on alliance. The fights are all fun, and while some may think the NIER bit disengaging, I found it to fit into the XIV universe quite well.

Lets face it, we had clones in Crystal Tower, The Emperor Xande basically made himself immortal, the Allagans were harnessing primals like Bahamut and otherworldly beings such as Omega. Oh did I mention Omega? A mechanical/technological being that can take on human form? Yeah, it fits in quite well, and even the aesthetic wasn't super off-putting. The pipes and such of the factory could be seen as a scaled up Cerulean Processing Plant type area, or the various castrums, or heck, Garlemald may have things similar.

I'm looking forward to the next 2 raids.

I'm just hoping we actually get some relevant lore out of this whole deal instead of it being wholly self-contained.

The raid itself was fun, but I don't want it to just be a love letter to the Nier Automata fans. Ivalice was also largely its own story but it at least had a stinger that's likely to end up becoming a potentially huge problem in the near future.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm just hoping we actually get some relevant lore out of this whole deal instead of it being wholly self-contained.

The raid itself was fun, but I don't want it to just be a love letter to the Nier Automata fans. Ivalice was also largely its own story but it at least had a stinger that's likely to end up becoming a potentially huge problem in the near future.

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The Nier lore has dimension traveling already baked in, it's how that universe was created in the first place as it's basically the result of Ending E from Drakengard 1, so I wouldn't doubt they're going to explain it in such a way. Part of me also hopes it doesn't just boil down to 'and then Yoko Taro decided it was so', as it has a lot of potential to expand our existing lore in rather interesting ways.

I loved it.

thought the bosses were fun to fight and learn. whole alliance was having a good time.

Loved the fact you can explore the dungeon afterwards and collect Lore notes.

Only con for me is the whole outfit coffer situation.


I do understand how people feel it's a bit weird mixing a futuristic style universe with ffxiv's.
but I've seen weirder Like that one mod for Morrowind

Ah, it feels good to be a Taro fan.

The data logs and Red """glitch""" fill my soul with a wholesome joy of theorizing and everlasting hype.

Now, to wait for the inevitable JP only drama CD/manga/novella that has vital lore for Drakengard/NieR/Nier/FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Gula

Ah, it feels good to be a Taro fan.

The data logs and Red """glitch""" fill my soul with a wholesome joy of theorizing and everlasting hype.

Now, to wait for the inevitable JP only drama CD/manga/novella that has vital lore for Drakengard/NieR/Nier/FFXIV

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According to Twitter there's even a dragon glitch. Apparently there's just a whole host of interesting glitches so far, and I'm hard pressed to think they aren't 100% deliberate.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9c0e14781a.png
I got one where from the second boss on my entire alliance was locked out of the boss rooms. We had to wait and port in. I have to wonder how many other 'glitches' are going to be unearthed as the weeks go by. Because that dragon one apparently only affected one person. But given again how the Nier universe even came to be...

But it's not a glitch

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...c/72733b72a8c/

It's legit

I enjoyed it. Mostly.

My only major complaint is the distinct lack in the amount of red balls and bullet hells.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

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I actually asked myself a similar question; how did they not see all that? They have Amaro. Eulmore, a military power who would most definitely patrol their borders, has airships. Kholusia is SW of the rest of Norvrandt. It would have been literally impossible for everyone to have missed everything that was in that valley from the sky.

I thoroughly enjoyed it,the OST for the raid is mindblowing, especially the last 2 fights. I've sincerely enjoyed every run I've done on my journey for the 2b outfit coffer and the 2nd to last boss feels epic to fight everytime I do it. I honestly loved it.

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Originally Posted by TheRogueX

I actually asked myself a similar question; how did they not see all that? They have Amaro. Eulmore, a military power who would most definitely patrol their borders, has airships. Kholusia is SW of the rest of Norvrandt. It would have been literally impossible for everyone to have missed everything that was in that valley from the sky.

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I'm not going to be surprised if it ends up being explained as there being some interdimensional foolery going on within the dwarven dig site,

For me, the music was the best part. I thoroughly enjoyed that and am really looking forward to the future installments on that alone.

I have no attachment to this series, however, so everything else was pretty much "meh" to me. I didn't enjoy the boss designs nor the aesthetic of the zone. Mechanically, I was engaged, but it wasn't as fun as I was hoping.

The gear rewards are also not an aesthetic I care for, so running it again and again for glamour is not something I'll likely do.

Overall, not my cup of tea. Loved running it with my static simply because it was new content and the music was phenomenal. After googling some Drakengard characters, I'm hoping the next tiers encompass those aesthetics more.

Okay raid, music is the best part. The mechanics are tired. Very formulaic, but you don't really see that until you have done it over a dozen times. However, being formulaic is the name of this game.

The factory is probably the ugliest part of Nier Automata but I understand why we are going there first.
I hope we get better locals for the 2nd and 3rd parts.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Anyway, I imagine the people who are fans of Nier are really stoked, but for those that aren't or haven't even played it, it's kind of a big "whaaaa?"

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I'm a big fan of Nier and Nier Automata and I had to work around a few things to enjoy the raid actually!

I don't like the concept of shoving a whole game world / setting into another. It gets so much Automata-y that I kind of forgot I was actually playing FFXIV, or at least I felt a bit confused about it. And if you want to be really the annoying lore person, there's quite a lot of Automata base concepts that make no sense in FFXIV's setting, or have an awkward justification.

Now it is quite well designed, self contained, does what Nier does rather well, and from an FFXIV gameplay perspective it's good. I find it a bit too easy but maybe it's my taste.

So my concerns would be to get a "y tho?" feeling by the end of the raid quests (so we have quite some time). If I wanted to play something with a Nier Automata flavour, well I'd play Nier Automata, it has a great replayability value. The introduction is not that interesting in my opinion, so let's wait and see.

Best raid evarrrr

Seriously. I loved it. My wife also loved it. It was very hard compared to past raids in our opinions. I personally found it easy enough to "challenge me" without giving me too much stress at the same time. XD

The music was some of the best in game. The AoE designs were awesome to see. The mechancis are fun. Theres different mechanics depending on which platform you are on too.

About it being "a bit too hard" for some of you, I seriously dont mean this in a bad way. Not at all, I swear. Though, I do feel maybe you are just *cough*bad.*cough* I know, i know, Im sorry. Give it some more practice and see if you change your mind about it being "too hard." As another user said, the aoes are actually more simple than they seem.

If you dont like Nier or the art style/lore..then yeah. No helping it. Im sorry that you couldnt enjoy it as I had.

I found it underwhelming. As hard as it has been advertised, I've been surprised when I hit the end of the quest. I expected more, than a rel. short raid (which's only difficulty is rather the limited camera distance), little (basically entirely from the world detached) story, and a small lore-chest hunt. (btw, isn't there somewhere a completion-counter? Don't know if I've found every box)
I hope there're more quests later, because I find its story has barely begun.
Come on Anogg and Konogg, be quicker to stumble over another threat!

I enjoyed it despite never having played any of the Nier games (On a ever growing list of games to play) - It did feel like a totally different game not FFXIV but that's to be expected considering its a cross over - Loved the music I really need to play Automata.

Never played any of the Tier games but I honestly quite enjoyed the raid TBH. It's maybe a bit too easy overall? But at least there's enough mechanics that will eventually kill you if you keep napping.

I also quite liked the visual style of the raid tbh. It's enough of a contrast without feeling completely out of place that it felt pretty fresh to me.

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Originally Posted by TheRogueX

I actually asked myself a similar question; how did they not see all that? They have Amaro. Eulmore, a military power who would most definitely patrol their borders, has airships. Kholusia is SW of the rest of Norvrandt. It would have been literally impossible for everyone to have missed everything that was in that valley from the sky.

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It's called the Copied Factory, which has me believe that everything behind the door the two dwarves blew up is all artificial, the sky included. Basically, it's all underground.
Why NieR stuff is in FFXIV can also be explained via one of NieR: Automata's endings, too. Wouldn't be the first time Yoko Taro used an ending of one game (Drakengard's E ending, where Caim and the Red Dragon end up in Tokyo) to start a new story (NieR)... the real question is how it ended up on a Shard, though.

I enjoyed it. /Shrug

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Originally Posted by meischoice

I didn't enjoy it. :/
That's all. Sorry

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Best raid to date and can't wait for the nest additions. Sorry you didn't like it.

I personally enjoyed it heaps.
The music, the boss fights and mechanics, the scenery, the characters, the item drops!
I loved it all.

Hopefully the next 2 raids will be more enjoyable for the people that didn't end up liking this one ;; !

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Originally Posted by Xerkrosis

(which's only difficulty is rather the limited camera distance)

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this, also the fact you cant focus target boss before fight.

overall a really boring raid.

Maybe it's just because I played Yoko Taro's other games, but I loved every minute of it. The chat in my first few runs were going nuts, too.

Highly enjoyed it, even did it blind with 23 other people in discord and there was so much screaming and wackiness. I've run it two more times since then trying to get the drops.

I really feel like they should have swapped the third and fourth boss around however. I like the final boss but I think it would have been much cooler to fight the third at the end to give even people who just start playing Automata an even more hype experience they can relate to as the closer.

I thought it was ok, but I don't feel super invested in the story. Perhaps that's because I haven't played any of the games?

Music is great and mechanics are fun (especially 2nd boss). Gear I was disappointed in because I want my female character to be able to wear stuff like the 9s jacket. None of the super sexy stuff appeals to me.

Overall it's just ok content to me personally. I'm very happy for all you fans who get to experience it in all your excitement though :)

I loved the fights and music, was a very run raid to play.

As someone who hasn't played much Nier however, I found very little story to get invested in. We have the quests with the dwarves which is fine, then suddenly we randomly find 2P who barely even looks at us and immediately goes "there are bad machines here, we'd better kill them" and off we go to do so, with a flashy fight scene after the last boss. Nothing is explained or lead up to and our character barely even interacts with 2P. Compared to the Rabanastre story which had multiple characters and it's own indepth story I wasn't very impressed with Nier.

It was different, and potentially fun if I can stay alive. I died about 20 times on my first run. There won't be a second until I've watched a few instruction videos.

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Originally Posted by meischoice

I didn't enjoy it. :/
That's all. Sorry

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It's so fun and the bgm so epic, maybe you need to learn boss's mechanic.
First time dead 10+, I'm learning mechanic in blind and now I have 18 run, it's still very fun and epic raid (for Orchestrion Roll, Pod minion, 2B outfit). Thanks SE, Yoko Taro and Okabe Keiichi.

I have a couple nitpicks but I loved the raid overall.

The only problem is, it's not really Automata if my finger isn't cramped from holding down the R1 button.

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

I enjoyed it despite never having played any of the Nier games (On a ever growing list of games to play) - It did feel like a totally different game not FFXIV but that's to be expected considering its a cross over - Loved the music I really need to play Automata.

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I'm glad to see feedback like this.

There's more to the raid than people are giving credit because of Drakengard and NieR Gestalt/Replicant. The final area where it looks like its snowing is especially vital. I knew this would happen, people complaining because they didn't recognize something that would set off several red flags. It still makes me cringe.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

It was different, and potentially fun if I can stay alive. I died about 20 times on my first run. There won't be a second until I've watched a few instruction videos.

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There is absolutely no need for that. Here. Not even a guide, just a player who fumbles buttons but still cleared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfP6mafbo4o

I didn't watch any videos before going in so when I was fighting No. 9 and then all of a sudden a tank drops in out of nowhere, I couldn't help but laugh at the pure ridiculousness in the chaos. I was stressed but in a good way I guess.

compared to Rabanastre, the first of the Ivalice raids I found Copied Factory to be kinda bland in terms of story and even some of the boss' mechanics. The slow start may be intended but it feels too slow (in my personal opinion ofc). A quest or two more going more in depth with 2P's introduction would have been good