I'm sure threads about this got made back when the last letter from the producer happened but every time I see a character who was established as having brown skin is now light skinned in FFXIV it's depressing and sucks out all my motivation
Like, it was one thing that take Viera and put them in FFXIV and then almost exclusively make every Viera NPC light skinned when the best known Viera character is dark skinned and from a village of dark skinned Viera. Like, that was depressing cuz it showed a bias that legitimately just sucks to see.
But taking an established character from another game, Soul Calibur, and making her skin light now... That's a deliberate act, and it makes it clear that previously focusing almost exclusively on light skinned Viera was a deliberate act.
This game already had problems of colorism, but when you make it clear that the colorism isn't just an unconscious bias but a deliberate choice, that hurts and it sucks.
Honestly, the dev team should apologize and fix this. As it is, it's hard to work up the motivation to touch the new content when I just keep being reminded of this stuff. It's depressing and demotivating.
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10-30-2019, 06:32 AMKimmy_Dee2p skin color change
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10-30-2019, 07:00 AMEloah
Wasn't the 2P from Soul Calibur just a palette swap of 2B. 2B having very pale skin with white hair and a black dress, so the inverse of that would be tan skin with black hair and a white dress. In that case they aren't an established character, they were just a color variation. The same could be said about Dark Pit who originally was just a palette swap of Pit.
Additionally, this is a Nier raid, meaning everything is based on Nier. Stating the character is an "already established character" from another game, in this case Soul Calibur, isn't accurate to this topic. -
10-30-2019, 07:04 AMLambdafish
Outrage culture at it's finest, nothing to see here people.
Image references if people don't know what the OP is complaining about:
http://i0.wp.com/shoryuken.com/wp-co...size=750%2C400
https://gamespot1.cbsistatic.com/upl...3594135-2p.jpg -
10-30-2019, 07:09 AMEloah
Also to add to the Viera topic listed above. I am not too sure what you mean. Most of the Vieras in the game have tanned skin, Lyna included, Fran's skin tone is just very tanned by comparison. The only Viera we meet, at least that I am aware of, who has very pale skin is Sofie(spelling) from the Gunbreaker questline.
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10-30-2019, 07:21 AMRaldo
There are far better hills to fight this battle on.
On one hand, I do agree that the skin tone doesn't match. SE's own store describes her figure as "with a darker skin tone as if she was tanned by the sun."
With that said, usually these sorts of "colorism" complaints are directed toward people ignoring the existence of other ethnicities. But in this particular case, it sounds like you're fighting for... "gurl ain't tanned enough." Ehhhhhhh probably not an argument worth making. -
10-30-2019, 07:28 AMxJimmehx
I hate to break it to you OP, but 2B originates from her own game. "Nier: Automata" and shes a light skinned android with white hair and a black outfit. Shes called 2P here probably to prevent problems with copyright or something. The color swap for hair and clothing as well. Also I dont recall many light skinned viera at all. Story wise, not players. As another poster said sophie is probably the only one i know of. Maybe you see a lot of light skinned viera because a lot of people play lighter skinned viera.
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10-30-2019, 08:01 AMTheodric
This again, eh? For starters, it baffles me that you don't simply assume that she has a tan in the first place - but then that wouldn't allow for certain people to get up in arms and subtly imply some very horrible things about the development team.
Also, there's this:
https://i.imgur.com/ovZl6JY.png
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10-30-2019, 08:20 AMAnselmetI said this in the previous thread and I'll say it again. Stop using western ideas of race and skin color on an eastern culture game. They do not and should not have bend their knee to every cultural idea that comes out of the western world. Just bc you perceive their actions to be anti brown does not mean that it is bc they are from a different culture. Doing so is just a tad entitled. And as people have pointed out, 2P wasn't an established character UNTIL ffxiv Nier raid. And as her soul caliber discription states she is tan from the sun. And I'm gonna go out on a limb she is a tan version of a white 2B skin color wise. Also if lack of representation from a Japanese company makes you not want to play this game then please log off and take a breather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimmy_Dee
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10-30-2019, 08:22 AMDoozerYou do know there are dark-skinned Asian people, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anselmet
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10-30-2019, 09:34 AMAnselmetWhere did I say there aren't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doozer
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10-30-2019, 09:45 AMthegreatonemalYou're entire post seems to ignore the fact that colorism is very much a problem in eastern cultures. From skin lighting products to white washing darker skins asian and those of mixed races in media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anselmet
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10-30-2019, 09:51 AMAnselmetLmao, no I said a western definition of colorism doesn't work very well on an eastern culture and forcing it is arrogant. The desire for lighter skin has existed in Asia for centuries. It hardly has anything to do with the same racial stigma, key words same here bc they ultimately have a different history and culture, as western countries. I never brought up racism, pal, you are. I am merely saying you're taking western social constructs and applying them to Japanese culture. The fact you wanna bring up racism is a clear defining factor that you don't know why Asians have tried to lighten their skin for centuries.Quote:
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10-30-2019, 11:51 AMCilia
I was a little disappointed they did it. The darker skin tone with the pure white clothing was what really made the 2P palette pop and stand out from the original.
Ah well. Asian standards of beauty and all that, whatever. -
10-30-2019, 12:28 PMObsidianFire
Umm... did any of you actually watch the cutcenes? 2P totally look like she has tanned skin compared to 2B. That picture in the third post is just really washed out. You can tell they over-exposed that image compared to the in-game footage of her.
I don't know exactly what shade I would call the color of 2P's skin here, but it certainly isn't the lily white it is in NieR: Automana, or the lily white 9S has for that matter...
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10-30-2019, 02:07 PMLambdafishOr how about they wanted the character to better resemble 2B, people are really scraping the barrel in terms of what they want to be victimized for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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10-30-2019, 02:59 PMEdwinLi
2P skin is actually tanned in the game but the picture on the website uses the default skin she has as 2B.
Probably just a character model error when they took the picture. -
10-30-2019, 07:24 PMFJerome
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...f4d534f5ad.jpg
While she's still pretty light-skinned, 2P's previous depictions definitely had a browner tone than her in-game model. -
10-30-2019, 10:50 PMGula
A lot of what will be said in this thread has already been said here.
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10-31-2019, 07:09 AMDamianFataleI think that you're right here. She looks exactly as depicted as she normally is here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ObsidianFire
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10-31-2019, 07:46 AMKerrigenIf I can offer a somewhat neutral statement to this conversation, 9s' ingame model's skin tone is listed as 1,1 (so the lightest skin tone that exists), whereas 2P's is 17,4 (which is definitely at least tanned). Depending on lighting and weather conditions, skin tones in FF14 can vary wildly in appearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by ObsidianFire
It's surprising that the ingame model seems to differ quite a bit from the promo site though, makes me wonder which model came first. -
10-31-2019, 10:20 PMCaesarCV
Yeah, it's really strange. On the website she had pale skin much like normal 2B, but in the actual game she does have the darker brown/tanned skin tone of 2P....so I have no idea what happened lol.
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11-01-2019, 10:53 AMRosenoireIt could be an issue with whoever did the promo art. I'm reminded of the way that Gaius looked almost Nordic in the Prelude in Violet artwork, when he's very dark-skinned with black hair in the actual game.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaesarCV
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11-01-2019, 12:33 PMTheodric
Both characters simply look like they have a tan to me. In 2P's case it's outright confirmed to be just that based on the description linked earlier on in this thread.
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11-02-2019, 02:37 PMQT_MelonYou know I hate stepping into this minefield here, but - don't use "Eastern Culture" as an excuse whenQuote:
Originally Posted by Anselmet
1. It was made by an Eastern company that already established a darker skin tone, and...
2. the fact SE is now an international company and their biggest consumer base for this game is in INTERNATIONAL waters. You don't get to hide behind that excuse if you are marketing internationally.
That said I do agree this is overblown just a tad in terms of outrage. Yes she doesn't have a very pale complexion, as she's a color swap of another character and I get why it feels like whitewashing if lighting or something was done inncorrectly. That said seeing her from a distance doesn't really show that she actually has an olive complexion as color is ...well relative.
I mean I could tell you a color is grey, but if it sits next to another color it can look blue
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7btP...iFWg/giphy.gif
Prime example.
Bringing it up is fine, Having a discussion about it is fine, from both viewpoints. Making it seem like it's world ending...not so sure given that lighting and different factors can be an issue when porting in characters from other games.