without steady hand I don't know how i'm supposed to craft HQ with any reliability, hasty touch success rate may have increased to 60% but that isn't enough, it still fails too much. is there any new way I can use to reliably craft HQ?
how to reliably craft HQ now.
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10-30-2019, 05:38 AMListrellahow to reliably craft HQ now.
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10-30-2019, 05:48 AMBarretOblivion
I have had no issues crafting, its just figuring out the new rotation is all.
So far have made my Weaver 460 main and chest with a 100% chance at HQ. -
10-30-2019, 06:27 AMMaeka
This is what I do and I've found I have a 99% chance of success (at Lv71):
40 Durability:
1). Reflect
2). Waste Not II
3). Basic Touch / Precise Touch
4). Master's Mend at 5 durability left
5). Great Strides
6). Byregot's
This should put you at 96% HQ if no Good came up. If you got a Good proc, you're guaranteed to HQ.
From there you can either do Waste Not II and Basic Synth to finish, or you can do Observe->Focused Synth twice with 1 more Synth at the end. If you did not get a Good Proc and you're like 94-96%, you can WNII, Basic Touch and then Basic Synth the rest of the way.
This is assuming full HQ clothes and HQ tools crafting Lv71 items. I imagine it would probably be similar until Star recipes?
With 80 durability items, because it's so easy to get HQ processed materials, it's even easier, you basically do the same as above only you'll hit 100% HQ way before WNII wears off.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/501328677
Start this video at 24:18. I make a pair of White Oak Bracelets while at Lv71. -
10-30-2019, 09:29 AMKsenia
66+ is pretty gun barrel straight forward.
Inner Quiet, Manipulation, Prudent x 8, Great Strides, BB (assuming you even need it)
CS, an Element or Observe, Focused Synth combo, based on your stats -
10-30-2019, 11:00 AMListrella
well i'm only level 40 and I don't havee most of those skills yet, how am I supposed to reliably HQ when all I have is basic and standard touch which eats up too much CP and hasty touch which is too unreliable, they said they were making it easy so why the hell did they get rid of steady hand?
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10-30-2019, 11:22 AMKseniaQuote:
Originally Posted by Listrella
At level 40,
Inner Quiet, Waste Not, 4 x Standard touch. 5 if you only need one Basic Synth to complete otherwise 2 x Basic Synth
If you have HQ mats that will get 100%
If you have the extra CP, throw an Ingenuity in there too.
Inner Quiet, Waste Not, Ingenuity, 4 x Standard touch, Basic Synth x 2
There is no reason you shouldn't have CP for that rotation at 40. Even vendor NQ Mythril accessories will get you enough CP to make that work -
10-30-2019, 12:19 PMMaeka
Yeah, the key is to have up-to-date gear.
If your gear is outdated, you aren't gonna do crap.
Though, IIRC, the game assumes you're not wearing full HQs until at least Level 30.
IMO, I'd make NQs of the latest tools, clothes, and jewelry and then try for HQ blacksmith tools and then once you have those, gradually make the other classes' one-by-one. And once you have HQ tools, try for HQ clothes, and then HQ Jewelry.
Once you have a set of HQ equipment, you got your foot in the door. Don't get lazy and keep up to date and you should sail all the way. Well, theoretically. I don't know what happens between 50/60, 60/70 now. Not sure if Lv50 HQs is good enough to make HQ 51s for example. Might need a few scrip pieces, maybe tools at the very least. -
10-31-2019, 01:45 PMFrizzeWhen in doubt, get more CP on your gear so you can use more skills. Sure, higher craftsmanship makes your synths more powerful and higher control affects your touches in the same way, but having the CP to just do more of them(or more powerful versions) always ends up being better. And while melding is mostly for endgame gear, you can retrieve any materia up to grade 7 with a 100% return rate, so putting some cheap materia in your guaranteed slots can help a bit too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Listrella
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10-31-2019, 07:17 PMRoth_TrailfinderI, and a couple people under my tutelage, have seen that you could start fairly reliably (subject to RNG, of course, since it wasn’t usually 100%) HQ’ing finished products starting in the low-mid 20’s, assuming both up to date HQ gear and a good selection of level 15 CC moves, from all NQ mats. I noticed that during 2.0, the others more recently (somewhen between the release of HW and the release of SB).Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
In other words, its always been about having up to date gear, and a good selection of CC moves. Now, they’ve taken those CC moves away and provided some of them to everyone. But we’re still left with it being about up-to-date gear. So why are some people (not the person I quoted, obviously) surprised by it, or need to be reminded of it? -
10-31-2019, 11:13 PMSamSmoot
And, you only use Hasty to squeeze out a bit more quality at the end when you're out of CP if you have durability left. It's too risky to use earlier and waste steps on fails.
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10-31-2019, 11:19 PMRyaz
With a full set of HQ melded facet gear and food bringing me to about 620 CP, I can craft the 35 durability level 80 2 stars from normal mats without procs. Use Reflect > Manipulation> Ingenuity > Innovation > Delicate Synth x4 > Ingenuity > Innovation > Manipulation > Prudent Touch x 3 > Great Strides > Byregot's > Careful Synth x 2.
It really is about having good gear and enough CP overmelded. Remember, it can be cheap to overmeld CP as some items only allow like 1-4 points and you can get rank 1-4 grasp materia cheaply and easily, but it all adds up, especially when using food.
What's killing me is getting the scrips needed for mats. It's like 14000 white crafter and gatherer scrips each for mats for both armor sets and all the main hand tools. Ugh. -
11-01-2019, 01:29 AMNicodemus_Mercy
Just to note, I desynthed a bunch of items from the new dungeon and got a Sublime Solution from one of them. It's likely not common but it can mitigate the script cost for those a bit.
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11-01-2019, 01:53 AMStouterTaruIt's pretty common if you're 450+Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy
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11-01-2019, 02:26 AMNicodemus_Mercyah good to know!Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
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11-01-2019, 07:28 AMIsparson
At 40, even with top-of-your-level gear, you're only gonna be able to manage about 20-30% HQ without using HQ mats. With all HQ mats, though, you can manage 100% easily.
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11-01-2019, 07:38 AMMaekaWell you see, a new problem exists now: You level up so fast that it's easy to not realize you need new gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder
Even at Level 71. I made myself Lv71 HQ tools and 5 hours later my BSM had dinged 74 and I was like "woah, I need new tools and new clothes now!" I saw someone ding 32, 33, 34, and 35 by turning on one GC item. They had one set of tools... now they need a new set of tools, IIRC. It's easy to forget when you gain levels that fast. And NQ stuff just doesn't cut it, so .... you do a bunch of speed leveling and now you're not able to craft anything at your level anymore.
BUT
Thankfully, prices on the MB are dropping, as I noted a couple days ago.
EDIT: IMO, I think it's time for a buff to NQ tools and cloths up until Level 70. Buff the NQs so that they're only 10% weaker than the HQs so that you don't *NEED* HQs to do anything. And then when the new expansion comes out, do the same for ShB stuff.
That, or give us easier ways of getting ahold of tools and clothes, perhaps do the same thing you do for Poetics: Dump a full set of tools, clothes, and jewelry on the crafting tribe vendor at the end of the expansion that's good enough (with mild difficulty) to HQ the next expansion's x1 equipment. -
11-02-2019, 03:33 AMShadygrove
CPs...
Blood bouillabaisse is flat broken. +26% CPs NQ or HQ. HQ has a higher cap which doesn't mater at low levels. NQ is sold by an NPC shop in the crystarium.
No other crafting food gives more than +12% CPs. -
11-02-2019, 09:54 AMKseniaQuote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
NQ Vendor stuff will cut it now though.
The core rules still apply. At 40 for example, if you have all NQ gear and up to date accessories, throw in some CP food (NQ) and like before, you use all HQ mats, you are going to get an HQ result. It's the same with Gathering. If you are up to date with vendor stuff, you will see 100% on Gathering at your level.
As you pointed out. A star, HQ GC turn in can get you 3 levels. Levequests also got buffed. If you use the old method of vendor NQ, keep HQ parts and make only what you need for the levequests, you will need new gear every 10 levels or so and it's a simple matter of going to the vendor. -
11-03-2019, 12:17 AMMaekaIf you use HQ materials.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ksenia
Which aren't all that easy to get at times, especially early levels. Sure, at 71, if I'm wearing HQ clothes, HQ tools, I can (or could, rather) always HQ a processed resource... if, and only if I got at least one "Good" during the Touch phase. If not, then my best is 94% and I may or may not be able to squeeze in one more touch action to bring it up to 96% (I should know I had to do this several times). Now, sure that's going to almost always HQ, but it's not 100%.
But that's at 71. When you have things like Reflect (which you learn at Lv69).
Surely, Lv30, it isn't so easy to just pump out HQ processed materials?
EDIT: One thing I'd like to see, is a Bi-color Gemstone vendor for older materials, like Skins, Fangs, Claws, etc from Pre-Shadowbringers content. Group them up into levels and material types or something to make it easier to sift through them all or something.