How would a SCH heal Living Dead?

I know for the most part WHMs will just Bene LV, but what if you didn't have a WHM? How would a SCH do it by themselves? Does anyone have a go-to rotation? Kinda seems a bit tough on SCH.

iono I'm a new SCH :confused::confused:

You don't.

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Originally Posted by TheDao

You don't.

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So just let the drk dies?

I mean, they will most likely die no matter what you do as a SCH at level 80, so yes.

I'm no Scholar, but possibly with a well-timed Excogitation alongside an Emergency Tactics boosted Adloquium. Possibly a Lustrate to top it off.

It really isn't the SCHs job, in a raid situation, the WHM cohealer or AST cohealer can manage the healing on their own, and it would just take too much out of a SCHs resources to achieve the same amount of healing.

If you were absolutely desperate, Lustrate Spam, but unless that's going to save the pull in a dungeon, it's better to leave the heavy lifting to the cohealer.

Recitation Excog + Lustrate (maybe 2nd Lustrate or ET Adlo) should be good enough to heal LD.
If you are paired with an AST just use Excog and let the AST use 1 or 2 EDs. WHMs should keep Benediction to ease the burden or just use up their Lilies for Solace + Tetra.

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Originally Posted by Cyrocco

It really isn't the SCHs job, in a raid situation, the WHM cohealer or AST cohealer can manage the healing on their own, and it would just take too much out of a SCHs resources to achieve the same amount of healing.

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Uhm, not if you are with an AST, it's still better using your AF stacks for healing than having the AST spam Benefic II. :v

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Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves

Uhm, not if you are with an AST, it's still better using your AF stacks for healing than having the AST spam Benefic II. :v

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Oh, I haven't had an issue healing through Living Dead. But then again, I never cast Benefic II.

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

So just let the drk dies?

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Most of the time that's the inevitable outcome. Since ShB launch, only once have I ever successfully solo healed a DRK through LD on SCH. ONCE.

In an 8-man setting you have a second healer to help out. In a 4-man, that DRK is doomed and there's nothing you can do about it.

Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > DRK dies

Possible at the cost of all your stacks and cooldowns. Realistically, if you're playing well(-ish.. I mean LD triggered so yeah) you won't have the ressources available at any one given point for a surprise LD. So the best way of dealing with it is to keep DPSing and then swiftcast+raise. If your DRK's LD triggers he was going to die anyways.

Living Dead > Dead Dead

If excog adlo + lustrate + second aldo arent enough then you could waste your faeries aoe heal for the remaining little bit.
Or we can just get rid of DRK... sucks trying to melee DPS when partied with DRK. Theyre like fidget spinners!

I think I healed through living dead once. Unfortunately I have no idea how I did it.

All I know is that I was doing that first pull in Akadaemia Anyder, and everything just went haywire and I started spitting heals everywhere. Then I saw "-Living Dead" show up next to the tank, and they stayed alive.

Beyond that, I have no idea.

1) Realize LD is up and use Aetherpact on the DRK just before it procs;
2) Recitation + Excog -> Emergecy tactics + Adlo.

You're welcome

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

1) Realize LD is up and use Aetherpact on the DRK just before it procs;
2) Recitation + Excog -> Emergecy tactics + Adlo.

You're welcome

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Yes, because there is a 100% chance of all those things being off CD at that exact moment.

Walking dead is the one ability I never want to let Proc during a dungeon. As soon as I see that Icon I start panic healing because if it activates it is almost surely gonna kill the tank.

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Originally Posted by AncientCrystal

I know for the most part WHMs will just Bene LV, but what if you didn't have a WHM? How would a SCH do it by themselves? Does anyone have a go-to rotation? Kinda seems a bit tough on SCH.

iono I'm a new SCH :confused::confused:

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Actual answer: Emergency tactics Recitation Adlo, Recitation excog can help. You're gonna have to burn a lot of aetherflow or cooldowns to do it. It's not impossible, gear pending.

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Originally Posted by Kanitezz

Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > DRK dies

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IDK why I found this so funny...but nearly spit my bourbon out why reading this. As someone who mains both drk and sch I can relate...

well, if this is the planned LD (as in extreme/savage tank buster tank invuln cheese thing) you could save excog and a lustrate (and pray your co heal which is not whm to put some heal as well),
or do the excog + ET Recit Adlo if your'e forced to heal it alone (maybe adds one or two lustrate if still not enough heal ?),
or just use all your 6 stacks of AF (3 stack + 3 stack dissipation) to excog+lustrate spam them (then blame someone for your empty healing resource afterwards)

for the unplanned LD in dungeon which you already used up all your resource to prevent the DRK to go walking dead ? meh just let them dead and ress them later... (or just wipe and beg the party to go slower ?)

What I like to do is watch the tanks buffs/debuffs in the party list and remember the colors for living dead. You have 10 seconds of the very red buff with the hourglass in it before it procs to walking dead(grey debuff) at 1 hp. You see the red thing just heal it so it doesn't proc. You dont necessarily have to waste all your resources to do this sometimes a whispering dawn and Aldo+soil or recited excog could stop it. It's a wasted cooldown for the tank but you didnt have to waste all your resources on that one CD just to stop a possible wipe. Also if you are even on whm and it happens you have 10 whole seconds of them at 1hp for that bene to hit so spam more holy.

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Originally Posted by lunar_seraphim

I'm no Scholar, but possibly with a well-timed Excogitation alongside an Emergency Tactics boosted Adloquium. Possibly a Lustrate to top it off.

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I would agree with Lunar. Make sure you use

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with your Excogitation to have atleast 3 stacks of AF still at the ready.

excog then emergency tactics + recitated adlo. if excog is on cd lustrate should still be enough. idk why people are saying its impossible when scholar is the only job whose cure2/benefic2 crits heal for twice as much

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Originally Posted by QooEr

excog then emergency tactics + recitated adlo. if excog is on cd lustrate should still be enough. idk why people are saying its impossible when scholar is the only job whose cure2/benefic2 crits heal for twice as much

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It's easy if you have all your resources, but unless the living dead is planned, most of the time it comes out of nowhere and you have maybe 1 stack of aetherflow, or often 0, no recitation. So you just have e-tactics adlo and a dream.

Fae Illumination > Lustrate > Dissipation > Excog/Lustrate (preferably with Recon) > E-tactics+Addlo > Swiftcast+Raise as you realize you forgot to target the tank in panic.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Fae Illumination > Lustrate > Dissipation > Excog/Lustrate (preferably with Recon) > E-tactics+Addlo > Swiftcast+Raise as you realize you forgot to target the tank in panic.

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lol thanks for that

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Originally Posted by TheDao

You don't.

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I personally on two different occasions since 5.0 came out healed a DRK through living dead. They were both in the level 75 dungeon. We can do it!

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Originally Posted by Kanitezz

Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > DRK dies

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Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > Dissipation > Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > Panic Lustrate > DRK might live. Maybe.

The correct answer is with a co-healer. Recitation Excog or Emergency Tactics Adlo. Your AST co-healer can handle the rest with Essential.
If you're in a dungeon, Recitation Excog, ET Adlo, and Lustrate most likely?

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

It's easy if you have all your resources, but unless the living dead is planned, most of the time it comes out of nowhere and you have maybe 1 stack of aetherflow, or often 0, no recitation. So you just have e-tactics adlo and a dream.

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Ideally it is planned.
If someone has to use it in an actual emergency, it's probably downhill from there anyway, and all they did was buy 10 seconds longer before the wipe.

Some of these answers xD Got a good chuckle out of some of them.

Anywho, if it is unplanned and the DRK uses it because he/she is taking too much damage then you simply focus heal and hope for the best. You need to use whatever resources are available to you, starting with the strongest. That is what they are there for. If one resource is not available then proceed to the next. Start of with Excog, then pop any aetherflow stacks you have on Lustrates if fairy gauge is less than 100. If it is full, hit Fey Union (be sure to use Whispering Dawn and Illumination if they are up prior). After that you have Recitation and adlo, but it is more of a shield than a heal, or you could also use Emergency Tactics and Adlo. Last resort is Physick and Embrace Spam, and I'd only use Dissipation if the DRK ends up dying anyway after you raise him.

Whether or not the DRK dies depends a lot on your own reaction time to Living/Walking Dead in comparison with the resources you have available. In short, the faster you notice the ability, and the more resources you have available, the better chance the DRK has of surviving Walking Dead.

BTW, don't be complacent in 8-man. Even if you are paired with a WHM (who can easily take care of it), you still need to make sure the Walking Dead status is cleared before continuing to nuke the boss.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Some of these answers xD Got a good chuckle out of some of them.

Anywho, if it is unplanned and the DRK uses it because he/she is taking too much damage then you simply focus heal and hope for the best. You need to use whatever resources are available to you, starting with the strongest. That is what they are there for. If one resource is not available then proceed to the next. Start of with Excog, then pop any aetherflow stacks you have on Lustrates if fairy gauge is less than 100. If it is full, hit Fey Union (be sure to use Whispering Dawn and Illumination if they are up prior). After that you have Recitation and adlo, but it is more of a shield than a heal, or you could also use Emergency Tactics and Adlo. Last resort is Physick and Embrace Spam, and I'd only use Dissipation if the DRK ends up dying anyway after you raise him.

Whether or not the DRK dies depends a lot on your own reaction time to Living/Walking Dead in comparison with the resources you have available. In short, the faster you notice the ability, and the more resources you have available, the better chance the DRK has of surviving Walking Dead.

BTW, don't be complacent in 8-man. Even if you are paired with a WHM (who can easily take care of it), you still need to make sure the Walking Dead status is cleared before continuing to nuke the boss.

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Problem with this is why should AST and SCH be required to burn every resource they have (and even still possibly fail) when WHM only has to press 1 button on a 3m CD and not think about it at all?

I'm not saying everything has to be equal in every way, but there's something just not right about that.

You know how you fix that? Give walking dead a +healing modifier, or make it so you only have to heal 50% of the health.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Fae Illumination > Lustrate > Dissipation > Excog/Lustrate (preferably with Recon) > E-tactics+Addlo > Swiftcast+Raise as you realize you forgot to target the tank in panic.

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I know you're kidding but Fae Illumination and Dissipation don't work on abilities like Lustrate and Excog.

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

It's easy if you have all your resources, but unless the living dead is planned, most of the time it comes out of nowhere and you have maybe 1 stack of aetherflow, or often 0, no recitation. So you just have e-tactics adlo and a dream.

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Pretty much this. If you're not in a coordinated group and a DRK uses Living Dead, they're in a bad spot and you've probably already burned multiple CD's trying to keep them alive.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I know you're kidding but Fae Illumination and Dissipation don't work on abilities like Lustrate and Excog.

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Joke aside, the Fae+Dissipation are to try and push that last ditch E-Tactics Addlo to heal as much as possible to get the Tank safely through LD.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Problem with this is why should AST and SCH be required to burn every resource they have (and even still possibly fail) when WHM only has to press 1 button on a 3m CD and not think about it at all?

I'm not saying everything has to be equal in every way, but there's something just not right about that.

You know how you fix that? Give walking dead a +healing modifier, or make it so you only have to heal 50% of the health.

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I don't see it that way, but I do see your point. There are multiple ways this can be handled, but Bene definitely needs to be left alone as a WHM skill. Especially after all they've been through from the past expansions. We also have to assume that Bene is even up as the optimizing healer will likely burn it up during their rotation.

I like your idea and the fix actually needs to happen to DRK. Walking Dead should come with an additional effect that increases the amount of HP restored to them through direct healing, and fades along with the debuff. Restoring 50% might be a bit much, but Regens should apply as well. Done! I always favor forcing healers to use GCD heals, but they need to be worth that cost. They've been upping damage potencies that use the GCD. Time to do the same with heals.

AmeliaVerves has the right of it, Recitation Excog, EM Adlo then a Lustrate if still needed. Eat your fairy after to aetherflow if it is on CD (only after putting fairy regen up)

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I like your idea and the fix actually needs to happen to DRK. Walking Dead should come with an additional effect that increases the amount of HP restored to them through direct healing, and fades along with the debuff. Restoring 50% might be a bit much, but Regens should apply as well. Done! I always favor forcing healers to use GCD heals, but they need to be worth that cost. They've been upping damage potencies that use the GCD. Time to do the same with heals.

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Even 20% would help. Because tank HP is going to do nothing but increase every ilvl and if you get a well geared DRK with an undergeared SCH it's going to be a bad time.

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Originally Posted by Nyxn607

AmeliaVerves has the right of it, Recitation Excog, EM Adlo then a Lustrate if still needed. Eat your fairy after to aetherflow if it is on CD (only after putting fairy regen up)

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I'd honestly like for someone to test this out and see if it would work because I don't think it would be enough total healing potency to cover 120K+ hp. For reference:

Back at ilvl 439 it took ~3600 potency to heal through the walking dead debuff

Recitation Excog (1200 Pot) + ET Adlo (675 potency) + Lustrate (600 Pot)

In order to hit the 3600 potency required for getting rid of Walking Dead, you'd have to burn 2 more Lustrates. This is assuming you had 3 Aetherflow to begin with (you probably don't, sitting on 3 aetherflows is frowned upon). All of this in a 10s window.

So first off, yeah I agree LD is stupid right now. It shouldn't have stayed as it is given the difference in healing potency vs max HP in this expansion. I wouldn't put it *any* higher than 75% DRK HP, and do feel something around 50% is enough of a drawback for the healer. In my mind, a healer out of CDs should still be able to make it work spamming Cure 2/Benefic 2, maybe with a slight difference to SCH since they have to deal with not being able to Adlo spam for raw HP. There are many ways they could tinker with LD to make it still need attention to heal but make it less painful outside of benediction.

That said, if I had to, this would be my general approach-

First, Reci and Excog are bonuses if they're up. They're used frequently in normal dungeon gameplay. I won't make the assumption either of them are available as such.

Dissipation, though - despite having some optimal usage to squeeze out more AF, it's something you can reasonably keep in your back pocket for a DRK. If we're assuming WHMs save bene for it, it's not unreasonable to save dissipation for this specific scenario. I would also try my hardest to keep 1 charge of aetherflow until ~5s on AF's cooldown.

Lustrate -> Dissipation -> Physick -> ET -> Swiftcast -> Adlo -> lustrate lustrate -> physick -> lustrate

2400 (lustrates) + [400 + 675 + 400]*1.2 = 4170 potency with no crits. Without 4th lustrate, 3570, on the cusp of 3600 and may be enough with generous rolls on the heals.

The problem here is the 10s timer. It's a fair amount of hand-twisty fast casts, and in my testing on my sch with a 2.42s GCD I'm able to do that in somewhere around 9s. Maybe 9.25. That IS under the 10s timer, but ... It's very tight and does not give much time for reactions. You are not going to lustrate at t=0.00. You're just not. Heaven help you if you gotta move. If you can precast a physick that helps, if you have WD or SS HoT going they'll both help a tad. If you're able to fey illumination right before, that helps. Reci helps a bunch. Any healing from the DRK will help, super potion included. On-point-RDMs, if present, will help. Lots of little things that can help, but you won't necessarily have.

It's not easy, I don't know how consistent I could be in the heat of the moment, and to me LD is really dumb in its current incarnation, but that'd be a rough plan I'd try to stick by. This is a LOT to ask for in a 4 man. Outside of benediction it's a pain for everyone in a 4-man if they're not saving multiple CDs :/

Edit: Alternatively, IF you save Reci and dissipation, it becomes pretty feasible, as Reci ET Dissipated Adlo is 1890 potency and can be precast unlike the setup above. Adlo, physick, triple lustrate then nets you 4170 - or Adlo, physick, lustrate, physick, lustrate for 4050 leaving you with an AF charge at the cost of being closer to the 10s limit. Yes it sucks to not use Reci for other purposes, but I find this setup much safer without burning swiftcast. It also doesn't necessitate holding onto any AF charges.

For unplanned - Get a macro that says something along the line of crouch down, huddle together and kiss our rears goodbye because majority cases you won't heal enough especially if in a panicked state.

For Planned recitation Excog, lustrate, ET Adlo, lustrate you won't need to use all stacks if aired with AST and almost never a stack with WHM the only time you would if they used bene earlier for something else but this ofc would be communicated so you would know.

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Originally Posted by Erakir

Lustrate -> Dissipation -> Physick -> ET -> Swiftcast -> Adlo -> lustrate lustrate -> physick -> lustrate

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I would NEVER even think about it.
Swiftcast + Raise will do the trick just fine.

Recited Excog and Emergency Adloquium could probably do it, I would imagine, assuming you don't use Faerie abilities or Dissipation.