Ninja needs to be nerf hammered, prove me wrong.

Here is the proof from three random games i just had before making this thread

https://i.imgur.com/haSo1JS.png

Most of times there is always one or few ninjas that are completely unstoppable in the FL and this is ridiculous, because after X amount of kills you get a damage bonus that keeps snowballing further and further.
Why is ninja broken, straight and forward:
Because he could dash in and out at any time he really wants, dash two time for 20 yalms making it 40 yalms, this is TOO MUCH.
A skilled ninja is IMPOSSIBLE to kill even for few people chasing him due to his double intercontinental dashes, it is ridiculous because someone who knows what to do could score stupid amount of kills without worrying about getting killed.
Ninjas are snowballing really hard because mobility is king and if you cant get caught you cant get killed, and this kind of mobility also helps them getting easy kills from someone running away from them, there is no way to escape from ninja.
Shukuchi should have ONE charge, two is too much considering how good role actions are for melee DPS for mobility already, two are OVERKILL, thank you.

I hate that whatever objective going on In Frontlines becomes second priority as soon as Ninja arrives.

Sorry to say, but your proof is flawed.

To start, 3 random games does not present enough information to support your claim. Additionally, you said they were games you just had, meaning they are all the same map. It could be possible the Ninjas fair better on that map but poorly on others. You'd need data from all the maps to compare, and lots of it.

Also, the kill count it calculated once the target dies; so it is possible they were just lucky enough to deal the final blow. Plus player skill is very important. It's entirely possible that the people not on Ninja were just bad, and those on Ninja practiced until their fingers bleed.

Lastly, you may not realize it, but you are skewing the data, or in a sense hiding important information from us. I don't think it's intentional though. Based on the information presented in the images we can see you were on the Adders for the first two and the Flames for the third. But we don't know what teams the Ninjas were on. Now by default, PvP doesnt show names of anyone from the other teams, just those on your team, it only shows their initials. By not knowing what teams they were on, we can't get a feel for whether they were acting solo or collectively with their team.

They could appear to be OP, and the skills you pointed out could be an issue. But unless clearer data is presented, it's just an inference based on personal experiences.

From my assessment of battlegrounds, with the context I feel melee at large is undervalued and general player tendencies is hampering them, I do think ninja is a little too good in FL. The thing is they are by no means OP in The Feast, where balance is more important. I hope tonight's patch is able to maintain their strength in The Feast while dampening NIN in FL a little. There's a lot of levers you can adjust for things that are clearly bigger in one domain than the other. The jumps for example are good in any environment, but an even bigger deal in the massive battlegrounds FL takes place in.

Ninja is op in PVP now? id never thought id see the day, anyway arent they reworking all the pvp jobs for 5.1 anyways.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

A skilled ninja is IMPOSSIBLE to kill even for few people

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Yeah, lets punish people for being skilled.
Also since NIN is "OP" feel free to play one and dominate like these guys, i mean its just cause NIN is OP after all. :)

Ninja is just a noob stomper, it's terrible in large scale premades and in feast, the job isnt op, the players are just unskilled


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Originally Posted by snipski

Ninja is op in PVP now? id never thought id see the day, anyway arent they reworking all the pvp jobs for 5.1 anyways.

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Are they continuing to slash moves, until we only have two buttons to press?

I never had any problem with nin at all taking them down unless they have a pocket healer.

Healers is what needs nerfed with it taking 3 people to take one down and ninja should only get to use that teleport escape skill once not 2 times same with dancer.

Been playing pvp all this patch and i can safely say NIN does not need a nerf whatsoever since the class is already one of the weakest when you compare it to the other 3 melees. Due to battle high and battle fever on NIN in FL it can be pretty strong but not invincible if you and your team shut them down with cc and damage/LBs but for most players in pvp that is difficult so i can see why you think that it deserves a nerf.

Lmao FL heroes calling for nerfs on the worst melee

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Originally Posted by Crit

Ninja is just a noob stomper, it's terrible in large scale premades and in feast, the job isnt op, the players are just unskilled


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This. I remember starting unranked in s11 due to not playing so I just queued NIN because it'd free insta queue plat.

They balance for Feast not Frontlines and NIN is a lot less problematic there (SAM is much scarier comparatively).

They mostly feel good in FL because they have the best tools for avoiding death/escaping out of any of the melee along with largely lacking a ramp-up time, which makes them well-suited for picking off players then retreating before they can be overwhelmed.

That said, I'm not expecting any nerfs in 5.1.

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Originally Posted by Barachim

Are they continuing to slash moves, until we only have two buttons to press?

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Check out the PvP changes for the new patch. Every job getting alot more skills/spells to use! :P

NIN seems like it got buffed overall.

Burst damage is stronger due to no longer needing to apply Shadow Fang, being able to do two Bhavacakra in a row with 100 Ninki and ninjutsu having higher potency, while their sustained damage is higher thanks to Huton.

They have less burst mobility due to a higher cooldown on Shukuchi, but it helps ensure a safe getaway with its damage shield now, plus Bolt being baseline means they have to fall back on too.

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Ninja is just a noob stomper, it's terrible in large scale premades and in feast, the job isnt op, the players are just unskilled


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This.
Sick of people crying because they suck.
Its not NINJA thats the issue its that most long term players simply prefer using it.
Ive seen monk dancer and drg pull out 550-600k DPS in a FL match tons in 5.0

It has jack **** to do with ninja being OP

Agree, delete this thread.

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Originally Posted by UnrealTai

This.
Sick of people crying because they suck.
Its not NINJA thats the issue its that most long term players simply prefer using it.
Ive seen monk dancer and drg pull out 550-600k DPS in a FL match tons in 5.0

It has jack **** to do with ninja being OP

Agree, delete this thread.

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Seems like one salty ninja there xD

"Its not NINJA thats the issue its that most long term players simply prefer using it."
It maybe has a reason why. And a char that stomps everyone just because they are played well is not necessarily balanced, as it should not stomp the good players in front of them.
A noobstomper class is king in such pvp environment with so many people discovering, or just here for rewards (or roulette), or just bad and without ranking system to split players in different categories. It's not games like Super Smash Bros or LoL where one char can be seen as a noobstomber but is ok because it's mainly 1v1 (or sometimes 1v1 in LoL) and once a certain rank is reached, you don't see noobs anymore getting tricked.
When you can have a class that can easily survive to get the Battle fever and can start to even beat people as skilled as them, it may be seen as OP. Let's try to understand the author point of view and explain why it's ok to be the way they are.

Assassination move resets on kills and supports, which is ok in Feast but is hella strong in FL where people dies a lot. It's a spammable stun.
We could say Ninja has burst, invisibility, control abilities(the only one among the 4 melees dps), bonus of being melee, escape and even a shield.

I could beat any ninja with my monk, tbh, but thx I have 3 dashes to keep harassing them when they realize they actually are not that good after attacking me 1v1.

For now let's just see how it goes, we can still talk about it, but all classes have been changed, and a lot of people have Potions now and can spam their 3 stacks to get around 15k more HP, so if a class has nothing left after burst and that now someone can survive because of potions, it changes everything.

He's absolutely right.... in frontlines anyway, not feast. When ever i feel like going god mode in pvp i go NIN. Apart from maybe dancer no squishy class can escape me as i can keep teleporting after them. I can stealth right in to the middle of a group and find any 12.5k job with a tiny bit of health taken off and kill them from stealth with LB, then fetter and teleport half the map away and nothing can stop me. I can nearly guarantee i will steal every single kill i'm involved with with assassinate and get fed crazy fast and snowball.

NIN can get in and do insane damage to squishy targets and get out with teleport, the shield shouldn't exist IMO, they have their mobility. It's a bit ridiculous really. NINS always have highest damage in Frontlines and it's still the same since last patch, maybe worse now.

NInja even in 5.1 is completely ridiculous, with new shield its busted as never.

It should really use only 1 charge on that stupid dash.
Now seeing ninja abusers having 20+ kills is nothing surprising, I CANT see other jobs doing so stupidly well as ninjas.

like its said before,its not about how good is ninjas its about how other people are bad.Can post same k\d as pld but its doesnt proof anything

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like its said before,its not about how good is ninjas its about how other people are bad.Can post same k\d as pld but its doesnt proof anything

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This.
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The fact being we never see paladin with such k/d. Or way less, if it happens, it's really rare.
The game has to be designed with some logic, and if the game decided everyone play in the same field without any ranking system, then a noobstomber class is too strong as it provides bonus to deal with better players after.

Now, let's be logic again, it's not because people overall are bad that Ninja is not too strong. I'm not saying they are, I'm saying that saying people are bad is not a reason to say "ninja is ok".

NIN's kit just inherently works better in Frontlines then those of the other melee between having ninjutsu for strong ranged attacks, Assassinate as an easy/potentially spammable way to get kill shots (Moreso thanks to its potency being buffed), and Shukuchi giving them an easy escape option if things get hairy.

With how chaotic things can be it's easy for them to stealth, sneak into the thick of things, then pick someone off with a pile of burst damage and get out before they're in danger of dying.

In the Feast where they can't pick their fights and have people constantly keeping an eye on them they aren't nearly as scary, moreso now that if they're reckless about using stealth it can simply be dispelled with the new spammable AoE options.

TLDR: Some classes are better in Frontlines but others are better in Feast.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

NInja even in 5.1 is completely ridiculous, with new shield its busted as never.

It should really use only 1 charge on that stupid dash.
Now seeing ninja abusers having 20+ kills is nothing surprising, I CANT see other jobs doing so stupidly well as ninjas.

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You're right but people who love playing god mode with try to argue with you because they think Devs read these forums or something and care about what's posted 😅 and think NIN will get nerfed.

I use NIN in frontlines and at least I admit it's a bit ridiculous.

Damage modifiers for frontline probably need to be adjusted again because melee in general is pretty unstoppable now due to 3 potions, 5y range and +15% damage dealt and -30% damage taken makes it too easy to just pubstomp on melee

Paladins are doing over 500k. People just don't push or use aoes.

I get higher numbers using DRG. O.o LMAO

Basically, what Fiona said.

Also, some of the NINs on the scoreboards in those screenshots seem to be the same players, and probably had pocket healers qeueing with them.

Therefore, they're most likely PvP veterans that know what they're doing.

NINs do have a good toolkit for FL. But they're definitely not OP... unless I use one with a pocket healer, and stealing kills with assassinate LMAO HAHAHA.

Welp, time to queue NIN with a 4-player premade just to break 20 kills (most of them steals), and 500k damage per match just to make people mad and hate NIN more... because it's fun.

If ranked Frontlines ever becomes a thing it sure will be a long laugh for all the opinions people have about jobs now to dramatically shift because thoughts on what's good or not is heavily skewed rofl

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Here is the proof from three random games i just had before making this thread

https://i.imgur.com/haSo1JS.png

Most of times there is always one or few ninjas that are completely unstoppable in the FL and this is ridiculous, because after X amount of kills you get a damage bonus that keeps snowballing further and further.
Why is ninja broken, straight and forward:
Because he could dash in and out at any time he really wants, dash two time for 20 yalms making it 40 yalms, this is TOO MUCH.
A skilled ninja is IMPOSSIBLE to kill even for few people chasing him due to his double intercontinental dashes, it is ridiculous because someone who knows what to do could score stupid amount of kills without worrying about getting killed.
Ninjas are snowballing really hard because mobility is king and if you cant get caught you cant get killed, and this kind of mobility also helps them getting easy kills from someone running away from them, there is no way to escape from ninja.
Shukuchi should have ONE charge, two is too much considering how good role actions are for melee DPS for mobility already, two are OVERKILL, thank you.

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Stop crying and just get good

From what I can see, Ninja is likely to be adjust by the next patch. It will not be the damage number but assassinate will get tune down. It is either replaced by shadow fangs or recast after kill will be removed. A job with assassinate and smite is not only making no sense and it is too easy to build up gauge than other jobs in mass scale PvP. It is very easy to kill steal to get gauge up as Ninja. Once assassinate is removed, Ninja should be fine

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Here is the proof from three random games i just had before making this thread

https://i.imgur.com/haSo1JS.png

Most of times there is always one or few ninjas that are completely unstoppable in the FL and this is ridiculous, because after X amount of kills you get a damage bonus that keeps snowballing further and further.
Why is ninja broken, straight and forward:
Because he could dash in and out at any time he really wants, dash two time for 20 yalms making it 40 yalms, this is TOO MUCH.
A skilled ninja is IMPOSSIBLE to kill even for few people chasing him due to his double intercontinental dashes, it is ridiculous because someone who knows what to do could score stupid amount of kills without worrying about getting killed.
Ninjas are snowballing really hard because mobility is king and if you cant get caught you cant get killed, and this kind of mobility also helps them getting easy kills from someone running away from them, there is no way to escape from ninja.
Shukuchi should have ONE charge, two is too much considering how good role actions are for melee DPS for mobility already, two are OVERKILL, thank you.

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I think your thread needs to be hammered