How to "add" about twice as many hairstyles:

Take all of the same models you currently have, and put them in again with or without an extra flair.

Ponytail with a big chunk hanging over your face? Now same ponytail minus big chunk.

Long hair but with a big giant swoop that looks goofy? No more swoop!

Take existing assets and plus or minus one thing to them, ta-da! Way more options!

Just mirroring the asymmetrical ones would make for a pile of new hairstyles.

Couldn't they use the same program like we have for skyrim and fallout where converts bodys and gear to fit certain type of body. It load up all the gear hair at once and convert them.

Unlocking race specific hair so all races can use them will add a few more, too.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

Take all of the same models you currently have, and put them in again with or without an extra flair.

Ponytail with a big chunk hanging over your face? Now same ponytail minus big chunk.

Long hair but with a big giant swoop that looks goofy? No more swoop!

Take existing assets and plus or minus one thing to them, ta-da! Way more options!

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I'm surprised you didn't notice that many of the 'hairstyles' already do that. You have multiple old hairstyles that are identical but just have different hair accessory colors/added or removed bangs. Maybe if they did away with those and just added the ability to change the accessory color/extra layers elsewhere instead of counting that as a hairstyle, they'd free up space.

I would really love to use some of hair styles on my lalafell that female auras have. Like the long Asian straight hair style one.

At least add a pony or non pony version for all styles, id use at least 3 others besides mine, but its just too "naked" on the forehead...

They could probably save space by having a single hairstyle have sub options with the variations. These could be invert options, going short, mid, long length, bangs/no bangs etc. As it stands now even the slightest mod counts a whole other hairstyle.

The customization options are obviously crazy outdated and would probably need to be rebuilt from the ground up. Not sure if that will happen in the lifetime of FFXIV but they definitely can release more hairstyles to accommodate, and slight mods are very easy to implement.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

I'm surprised you didn't notice that many of the 'hairstyles' already do that. You have multiple old hairstyles that are identical but just have different hair accessory colors/added or removed bangs. Maybe if they did away with those and just added the ability to change the accessory color/extra layers elsewhere instead of counting that as a hairstyle, they'd free up space.

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Kind of hard to NOT notice it. It's practically the basis of the post. There is a long haired style that goes over the shoulders, one with bangs and one without. It's the exact thing I "didn't notice" that I'm talking about. One change to the existing asset and you have something new.

So why not do it for all of them? Take the existing assets and add or subtract different things and boom, a bunch of new options.

It's true that Viera doesn't have much Hairstyle to be chosen. More importantly, every single pieces of extre Hairstyle you can get through the game, like Palace of the Dead, Gold Saucer or even Eureka are USELESS because it add NOTHING for Viera.

I don't think that Hairstyle is a really big work like making armor for every race. Or at least, it's really faster to do it. I was hoping that 5.1 let's us the choose for more Hairstyle but, it's seems it isn't the cases.

So people here, I suggest something ! Why don't we all ask Naoki Yoshida for that in the next Live letter Or propose something when a new Hairstyle creation contest come ?

Perhaps they think it's an issue that the hairstyle list would end up very "messy" if they did that, and they wouldn't be able to file the variations next to the originals. I assume they can't re-order things without affecting the hairstyles currently equipped to characters, including NPCs.

But yes, I would love to see more variations and especially flipped versions of hairstyles. I try to keep my characters looking consistent, and there are a few things that would make good alternate hairstyles except they're parted on the wrong side and it looks strange. Also the hairline makes a big difference and varies a lot across styles.

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

I don't think that Hairstyle is a really big work like making armor for every race. Or at least, it's really faster to do it.

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I'm sure it's still a lot of work. They're quite complex - lots of individual moving pieces that have to look nice and respond to physics (wind, movement, colliding with the shoulders) and not break or look ugly when moving.

I'm not sure if they'd have some kind of template, or if each one needs to be built from scratch. Maybe some basic models that get customised.

I believe Yoshi said that the lack of additional character options is due to the data transfer limitations on the servers due to the legacy code from the 1.x series. Yes they can fix it but it takes a ton of resources, time and money.

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

So people here, I suggest something ! Why don't we all ask Naoki Yoshida for that in the next Live letter Or propose something when a new Hairstyle creation contest come ?

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I'd like to suggest that future hairstyle contest entries use the Viera/Hroth head as a base. At least the Viera head isn't too different from the other races and the main problem seems to be fitting the ears, so removing the ears for the regular head models seems more feasible than adding them (I acknowledge it's STILL a lot of work, but perhaps less than the other way around).

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

I believe Yoshi said that the lack of additional character options is due to the data transfer limitations on the servers due to the legacy code from the 1.x series. Yes they can fix it but it takes a ton of resources, time and money.

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Not sure about the 1.x part since I thought they also said recently they've left all that behind now, buuuut I also feel the recall that the issue is not designing hair styles or things like that- no issue of creativity but one born from technical limitations. Issues in general with handling that many options, similarly we've these issues with other data problems- think being unable to make all mog shop items account bound, hyur facial hair, eyebrows, viera and hrothgar hair/face limits, tackle box, difficulty with houses, glamour log limits, and general stuff like that.

I assume these issues are buried deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep into the core of the game and are complex, expensive, and terrifying parts to modify (as it could cause loads of things to break), but it seems to be in general an issue FFXIV struggles with a lot. I mean to be fair if you were going to have an issue it makes sense it'd be this one lol, massively complex and evolving jumble that has tendrils deep into everything. One of those things that is like "sounds scary.. and hard to deal with, but... please deal with it anyways". If it's so deeply buried into the code of FFXIV that it can't be properly excised then I actually hope FFXIV has a shorter life span than FFXI (time between FFXI and FFXIV's release), such that the next mmorpg is released sooner and with better support of big ideas (for example if they announced a FF MMO with better housing I'd leave immediately- or play both at the same time to finish this game's MSQ XD, and yes I'd give someone all my gil lol).

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

I believe Yoshi said that the lack of additional character options is due to the data transfer limitations on the servers due to the legacy code from the 1.x series. Yes they can fix it but it takes a ton of resources, time and money.

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That seems to be an issue for other character settings - eg. why they haven't added more "extra features" than the set five per race, and have to work with a fixed amount of option types. One slider-based setting per race (ears/tail/muscle), one "two options plus colour" (tattoos/earrings/Au Ra eyes), and how Hrothgar have ended up with such weird settings as they've twisted the usual way that they are applied, but can't actually add anything new.

Hairstyles seem to sit apart from all the other face issues because they can and do frequently add more choices. Evidently it was built from the start with the potential to be expanded, while the other elements are more rigid.

There's probably still an upper limit to how many they can add - but hopefully well beyond what they'll ever need to use up. They seem to have lacked forward planning with other database elements like inventory, though.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Not sure about the 1.x part since I thought they also said recently they've left all that behind now, buuuut I also feel the recall that the issue is not designing hair styles or things like that- no issue of creativity but one born from technical limitations. Issues in general with handling that many options, similarly we've these issues with other data problems- think being unable to make all mog shop items account bound, hyur facial hair, eyebrows, viera and hrothgar hair/face limits, tackle box, difficulty with houses, glamour log limits, and general stuff like that.

I assume these issues are buried deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep into the core of the game and are complex, expensive, and terrifying parts to modify (as it could cause loads of things to break), but it seems to be in general an issue FFXIV struggles with a lot. I mean to be fair if you were going to have an issue it makes sense it'd be this one lol, massively complex and evolving jumble that has tendrils deep into everything. One of those things that is like "sounds scary.. and hard to deal with, but... please deal with it anyways". If it's so deeply buried into the code of FFXIV that it can't be properly excised then I actually hope FFXIV has a shorter life span than FFXI (time between FFXI and FFXIV's release), such that the next mmorpg is released sooner and with better support of big ideas (for example if they announced a FF MMO with better housing I'd leave immediately- or play both at the same time to finish this game's MSQ XD, and yes I'd give someone all my gil lol).

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WoWs backpack immediately comes to mind.

It's been a long time since I have played it so maybe they've changed it by now, but I recall reading something about the base backpack being so ingrained into the code that they couldn't do anything about how small it was without potentially breaking literally everything.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

WoWs backpack immediately comes to mind.

It's been a long time since I have played it so maybe they've changed it by now, but I recall reading something about the base backpack being so ingrained into the code that they couldn't do anything about how small it was without potentially breaking literally everything.

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Part of the issue with WoW's default backpack was that they were afraid someone would deliberately find a way to unequip it and leave themselves without any actual way to carry items. Which, yeah, somebody probably would just to see what would happen.

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i like this idea!

I'd love it if we could get some "up" versions of existing styles.

https://i.imgur.com/qO6BJ3m.png

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Originally Posted by Gemina

They could probably save space by having a single hairstyle have sub options with the variations. These could be invert options, going short, mid, long length, bangs/no bangs etc. As it stands now even the slightest mod counts a whole other hairstyle.

The customization options are obviously crazy outdated and would probably need to be rebuilt from the ground up. Not sure if that will happen in the lifetime of FFXIV but they definitely can release more hairstyles to accommodate, and slight mods are very easy to implement.

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This. We would need only for the slightest alterations to existing hairstyles to make some really great options for all characters and genders. As much as i dislike the idea of unlocking all races hair options, it is far past time to do so.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Couldn't they use the same program like we have for skyrim and fallout where converts bodys and gear to fit certain type of body. It load up all the gear hair at once and convert them.

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I believe they had something similar in 1.0 but it was dropped for ARR onward because of technical limitations with the PS3.

I just ...




... want an honest-to-God hime like Yotsuyu's with no added accessories or weirdness. You'd think a Japanese game would have delivered on that long ago! D:<

Now I also get to sulk that other races probably won't get heels anywhere close to the stilettos Viera get.

I just wish the long hairs don't clip on certain type of clothes. Especially, the viera like one of her hairstyle just clips to her cheast, when she looks down during a cutscene, it just breaks the immersion. I still feel there is alot of work for SE to make them fully functional and add the new hairstyle to them as well.
Also, the hair needs an upgrade. They are slightly pixelated.

Speaking of hairstyles, I noticed an Au Ra guy with a style I've never seen before in one of the live-letter screenshots:

Does this look familiar at all?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...74/unknown.png

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Originally Posted by Tanama

Speaking of hairstyles, I noticed an Au Ra guy with a style I've never seen before in one of the live-letter screenshots:

Does this look familiar at all?

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I haven't seen that style before. I'd assume it's coming in 5.2.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Just mirroring the asymmetrical ones would make for a pile of new hairstyles.

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Or a switch like they do with facepaint.