When do you think Final Fantasy XVI Online will be announced?

I usually don’t make many threads in general discussion but recently I’ve been thinking a lot, so apologies for the threads lol.

Anyways, when do you think a new FF MMO will be announced? And who’s to say they haven’t had a separate team develop one right now as we speak?

(In the title I say XVI Online because I don’t have high hopes for another single player FF for quite some time. I suspect a single player one won’t be made until FFVII remake sells and they are done making maybe one or two more remakes. Next one probably being FFVIII.)

I’m going to say the next online MMO will probably be announced around 7.0 of FFXIV’s life span. Curious to know your thoughts about this.

I doubt we'll see another MMO prior to seeing another single entry in the series. XIV isnt as old as it seems, and while some things aren't as fresh, it's still a very modern game in many ways. And I wouldn't use FFVII as a reference for another single installment. Remember, the remake of VII has been in the works since XV wasbeing "reworked" on.

I do however think they will take time to try and really flesh out the next game. Both XIII and XV are umm some of the more controversial, and both went to two different extremes in the way of storytelling. People have their own preferences, but I feel we need another narrative like we had in FFX; it had both linear and free roaming gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I doubt we'll see another MMO prior to seeing another single entry in the series. XIV isnt as old as it seems, and while some things aren't as fresh, it's still a very modern game in many ways. And I wouldn't use FFVII as a reference for another single installment. Remember, the remake of VII has been in the works since XV wasbeing "reworked" on.

I do however think they will take time to try and really flesh out the next game. Both XIII and XV are umm some of the more controversial, and both went to two different extremes in the way of storytelling. People have their own preferences, but I feel we need another narrative like we had in FFX; it had both linear and free roaming gameplay.

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Yeah, good point! I hope for a FFX remake honestly, that game was great. But if a new mmo were to be announced, when would you say it’ll likely happen? 2030? I doubt FFXIV will be the last mmo they’ll make.

Yea I agree I think it will be a while before another MMO which I’m fine with since my understanding is FFXIV is much more upgradable than FFXI was, my understanding that development for FFXI is still tied to PS2 dev kits even though PS2 support was dropped years ago.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Yea I agree I think it will be a while before another MMO which I’m fine with since my understanding is FFXIV is much more upgradable than FFXI was, my understanding that development for FFXI is still tied to PS2 dev kits even though PS2 support was dropped years ago.

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Thing is, Yoshida mostly refuses to do much upgrading, so that’s why I think a new mmo would impress many folks.

I'm pretty certain they've already ruled out a brand new FF MMO, at least for the forseeable future, given FFXIV is going from strength to strength (and graphics do not make a game, Yoshi himself stated outright that being obsessed with graphical fidelity was SE's fatal mistake with FFXIV 1.0 so he is determined not to repeat that). FFXIV is making large amounts of money for them, they're not going to bother with the expense of creating a whole new FF one just to "impress people".

MMOs are in decline currently, so I would be surprised if SE decided to make another one. If or when they make a comeback they will probably be very different. Or WoW (and perhaps FF XIV) will be seen as retro but cool, and could simply re-emerge that way. It's really hard to say what the future holds though. The popularity and success (however big or small) of WoW Classic sort of changed things. Other companies are probably looking hard to see how they can get a slice of that pie. Blizzard recently dug themselves a pretty big hole however, and are only digging deeper, so...maybe other companies are not. Hard to say, really.

Who knows?

One of the industries biggest problems right now is that gamers just aren't buying games anymore. Even the biggest AAA franchises are failing to perform up to expectations because the industry has this mindset that super simplicity and ultra accessibility is great and what players want, but the reality is players generally find it boring and dull. This is why when big franchises move in that direction they generally end up flopping and under performing because players just don't want that from there games.

It's the same reason MMOs in general are in decline. There's so much emphasis on balance, simplicity and accessibility that everything that made MMO's appealing and interesting is dying and as a result players just aren't engaged in them anymore.

Yoshi made a comment earlier this year about Final Fantasy needing to move away from that mainstream direction and go back to being a game for its fans if the franchise is to have a future. He's not the only one either.

For example, One of the main reasons Capcom invested so much into the Resident Evil 2 remake was because it wanted to move the franchise back towards its roots and its fans, Its newer direction had lost the franchise a lot of popularity in the way its more recent games moved away from the survival horror aspect into the more simplified run and gun if it moves kill it shoot em ups.

It's one of the reasons many of the smaller studios out there have thrived and flourished by staying true to there franchises and fans where many of the bigger companies have gone under and died horrible deaths because going for so called mainstream audiences and killing what made there games popular in the first place ends up being suicidal to the franchise. You can google pretty much any franchise that hasn't pushed out a game for a few years and find links and you tube videos all saying much the same thing... lost its identity in an attempt to simplify and be more accessible to mainstream audiences and players just didn't like it...

Even free to play is struggling these days. once touted as the future of all gaming it's just not the case anymore. more and more players totally avoid free to play because they're all these shallow and dull experiences that aren't even worth the time to download because you know you'll be bored of it in under a week which then means players aren't putting money into those games either.

14 as an mmo has no problem bringing new players in en masse, but it does have a very big problem in keeping players interested or engaged in any long term fashion which is something kind of crucial for an mmos success. The problem it has now is a lot of would be players have been or are going to be put off when they find they're friends have played it but got bored fast and gave up.

I honestly wouldn't expect then to see any announcements regarding a new FF MMO until SE has a decent plan on how it would go about keeping gamers engaged long term.

@Dzian

100% agree with everything you said. Couldn’t have said it any better myself.

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Originally Posted by CookiesNCreams

Thing is, Yoshida mostly refuses to do much upgrading, so that’s why I think a new mmo would impress many folks.

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They’ve actually done some significant upgrades since dropping PS3 support like having larger city areas and more inventory space.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

They’ve actually done some significant upgrades since dropping PS3 support like having larger city areas and more inventory space.

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Now im bit off topic. Crystarium is uneccessary big. Most part are flat and empty and died after expansions day. Eulmore may be best with npc accessibility(script, tomes, etc npc. But the town below is grabbing bit of of frames and not sure why they didnt split the entire map.. Also i hope for next expac they make similar accessibility and same mapping as Idyllshire.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

. . .Yoshi himself stated outright that being obsessed with graphical fidelity was SE's fatal mistake with FFXIV 1.0. . .

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There's a difference between not being obsessed with graphics and outright neglecting them. This game is in DIRE need of revamping at least the textures. There are textures in the game where you can literally see the individual pixels.

Honestly unless they completely remake the game from the ground up I wouldn't expect alot of upgrades to textures if anything honestly. And I can see why they wouldn't do that, as a few of you guys may want them to do just that, how many people will wait a second time in this market for a revamped XIV? Do we honestly expect them to do another revamp like with 1.0 to 2.0? And that's not the PS4's fault as there's games on the PS4 that out pace XIV in every way. It might be a massive lost to do another wipe and rebuilt like they did the first time. I mean 2.0 was a massive chance they took the first time. Do you guys think they should and do we think players will wait another year for them to remake the game with revamp everything?

This is to the replies saying textures need to be upgraded and why I think it's not as simple as a patch imo. I might be wrong but I think in order to do that they need to rebuild the game from the ground up and that I think is abit more massive then alot of people make it out to be.

At this point I think it'd be more likely that, instead of pouring a ton of money into a new MMO, SE would just increase FFXIV's budget with a focus on upgrades to core systems, new features, and stuff like that. There's no need for them to make a new MMO while FFXIV is still doing great. They could just spend those resources modernizing FFXIV a bit.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

Honestly unless they completely remake the game from the ground up I wouldn't expect alot of upgrades to textures if anything honestly. And I can see why they wouldn't do that, as a few of you guys may want them to do just that, how many people will wait a second time in this market for a revamped XIV? Do we honestly expect them to do another revamp like with 1.0 to 2.0? And that's not the PS4's fault as there's games on the PS4 that out pace XIV in every way. It might be a massive lost to do another wipe and rebuilt like they did the first time. I mean 2.0 was a massive chance they took the first time. Do you guys think they should and do we think players will wait another year for them to remake the game with revamp everything?

This is to the replies saying textures need to be upgraded and why I think it's not as simple as a patch imo. I might be wrong but I think in order to do that they need to rebuild the game from the ground up and that I think is abit more massive then alot of people make it out to be.

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Most people don't doubt the work that upgrading FF XIV's code/textures/etc would take. It would indeed be a massive undertaking. However, I do think that it will be required eventually if they wish for FF XIV to stay relevant. Considering FF XIV is their cash cow they would, in my opinion, be foolish not to. If they are simply content to let FF XIV continue as is, then that's their call. I just think it's a poor one.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

XIV isnt as old as it seems

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It's actually older than it seems, speaking with relativity to the past pattern. It's 6 years old from ARR, and 9 years old from 1.0.

XI launched in 2002, so it was 8 years old when XIV 1.0 launched, younger than XIV is now if one were to count 1.0.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

This is to the replies saying textures need to be upgraded and why I think it's not as simple as a patch imo. I might be wrong but I think in order to do that they need to rebuild the game from the ground up and that I think is abit more massive then alot of people make it out to be.

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Actually, unless the rendering engine is to blame (which it isn't as the newer expansions' textures are OK), there's no reason a simple thing like upgrading textures would need a rebuild. Now, they might need to update some models as well, but it's not really a big deal. I'm not saying the game needs to go all out and have 4K or 8K textures, I just don't want to be able to look at a texture and see the pixels.

Are you sure next SE online game going to be a final fantasy game. Heard once might be based on chrono trigger or star ocean.

It is still very far away.

Actually after the launch of FFXIV and how that turned out, they might just follow WoW's example and keep updating FFXIV. It really makes little sense to reset everything again.

Probably in twelve years

unpopular opinion for sure, but, given how FFXIV is story-driven, i do not really want a long term story beyond the Hydalyn/Zodiark arc as it stands already. Murmurs say we are 80ish% through the story or on pace to be following the conclusion of 5.0. That means potentially 6.x and 7.x would be more or less the end of the game. That being said anyways, I wouldn't want another decade of XIV that ends up giving less by trying to give more (what I mean is by muddling the lore, or stretching ideas to satisfy the demand that may or may not be there at the time of potential release and souring its audience similar to how long franchises/series/mmos tend to do).

We are told frequently that there is great difficulty in adding x y and z whenever the requests become particularly pressing. Further, people frequently complain about lack of content in the end game (and when there was, everyone complained about it in the form that existed as diadem and Eurika. And oh man, now everyone complains that they can't do Eurika, crazy, but then again, no surprise all the same. I'm sure that this complaint will follow whatever will replace Eurika as well).

I'd rather XIV end in good tidings and memory than dwindle and fade slowly like a flag left to the elements.

As far as the next FF mmo? I wouldn't know. I very much like FFXIV, and don't necessarily want something new then what I already have now, but if I were to guesstimate, it would be released 5-7 years after the final story chapter of XIV

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Are you sure next SE online game going to be a final fantasy game. Heard once might be based on chrono trigger or star ocean.

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While it's possible, I'd prefer something like this over ANOTHER fantasy MMORPG.

Seriously, we could do with more sci-fi/space-themed games from them.

Considering Yoshida's own words about how next FF MMO could look, there is no even guarantee it will be an MMO in a way how FF14/WoW/etc works. It can be FF MOBA game with its own story and character creator for example, or something else. So I don't really get any hopes about next online FF until the moment when they will actually announce it. Can happen in 2 years, can happen in 10, who knows.

I don't see one coming in the near future. Square Enix is making good money in the current situation FFXIV is in now. Honestly they just need to keep working and adding on to this and they'll be in good shape for a long awhile.

16 is not going to be an mmo lol what

Final Fantasy XVI is most likely going to be a single player game. Yoshi-P mentioned in an interview that there are currently no plans for another Final Fantasy MMO especially since Final Fantasy XIV is doing really well. In that same interview, he also mentioned wanting Final Fantasy XVI to be a straightforward fantasy with a lot less machinery. Meanwhile, Yoshi-P also opened up recruitment for a next generation title.

From what I recall, Luminous Productions, the team behind Final Fantasy XV is currently working on a completely new IP while the division that was in charge of the other single player Final Fantasy games are currently on Final Fantasy VII Remake so this kind of singles out Yoshi-P being the one in charge of the next Final Fantasy unless there's another team we don't know of.

My guess is that the next MMO is going to be Final Fantasy XVIII around 2027. MMOs take a very long time to create and I believe making one would take even longer than two or even three single player Final Fantasy games combined unless the game goes into development hell like Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Final Fantasy XIV is currently very successful and it's hard to predict when they do decide it's time to make a new MMO since the game is still on the rise with no sign of decline, unlike World of Warcraft which continued to rise until the end of Wrath of the Lich King but now continues its decline since the middle of Cataclysm with no end in sight. It's all part of the product's life cycle.

TLDR: Yoshi-P stated that there won't be a new MMO while Final Fantasy XIV is successful. Yoshi-P could also be working on the next single player Final Fantasy game. Final Fantasy XIV is nowhere close to the end of its product life cycle since the game is still on the rise.